Science Fiction Anime Recommendations

[Pink_Pirate]

Well i recommend Evangelion and Cowboy Bebop, both are a must see.
Ghost in the Shell, Casshern Sins, Macross Frontier (this will strike home if your an old macross/robotech fan), Martian Successor Nadesico, everything and anything with the name Tenchi
in the title...
and well no gumdam.. but i will still recommend Gundam 00, it is the most recent series and while it most definitely is and feels like gundam it is very different from most gundam series i've seen. It takes a for more realistic approach, its notable for being based on our own future, and the main characters aren't whiny teenagers. The plot is more political then character based, unlike most gundam series, and it does use some interesting plot devices and techniques to drive home the human element of the story in a very different way than most gundam series have done. It is also gorgeous.

 

[Pink_Pirate]

I'm not sure how Asuka's German sounds compared to native German, but NGE is actually really good about using English. The few parts in the anime where they use English (Like when they're delivering Eva 04) had flawless English spoken which was amazing.

Also, in Rebuild 2.22, at the very beginning and about half way through there are parts where characters speak English and it is done really well... Well, except for Kaji. Kaji sucks at English.

well kaji speaking horrible engrish is in character, you will notice the other english speakers speak in grammatically correct english, while kaji does not. I dont know if the voice actor for kaji was just really bad at english so they wrote the script to take advantage of that, or if it was planed like that from the beginning, but it is a clever bit of writing nonetheless so it shall be forgiven.

 

[delet]

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Spoiler

God there was just so much weird stuff in that movie. A nice chunk of it went over my head for things outside my control. The version I watched was REALLY bright and REALLY quiet even with my volume all the way up. As a result things like him jacking off to comatose Asuka at the beginning went completely unnoticed. I thought he just looked at her naked and got turned on and was like "I'm a douche" but apparently the internet says he actually pleasured himself. Also due to the volume there was a lot of dialogue I never even heard. There were subtitles with what might as well have been no speech. That last line was also kind of like that. Are you sure Asuka said that? I was so sure Shinji said that.

The way I saw that last scene was he and Asuka are the only people left but he's a stupid idiot and was raging at the world. He was pissed at Asuka too because she's always yelling at him and whatnot, as evidenced by that dream like sequence where they're in the kitchen and he gets all murderous with some coffee. So since its just him and her he starts choking her and she kind of looks at him and tries to touch his cheek as if to say "I'm sorry" or "Its all good" or something along those lines and then she dies and he realized he just killed his last friend on Earth and was like "Self hate".

And as weird as that scene is there is still even weirder shit in that movie. The sudden cuts to shots of live people walking around and sitting in a theater type room? It was weird.

Also my friend told me The End of Evangelion was episode 25 and 26 again, but showing everything as opposed to the thoughts of the people involved. That made sense to me for a while but at the end of the show I always thought he accepted the primordial soup existence. In the movie that is obviously not the case. I don't know. Shit got weird.

Spoiler

That's unfortunate. You should really get a better version of it. He did masturbate to Asuka, after which he said "I'm disgusting." I'm absolutely positive Asuka said that and that she didn't die (I've seen the thing 3 times now >.>) I mean, her mouth moved.

The reason why Shinji choked Asuka is very open to interpretation and there's no way in hell Anno will tell us. I'm just going to stick with he was angry at her for not being there for him when he needed her.

As for Episode 25 and 26, they make a hell of a lot more sense if you have knowledge from seeing EoE before seeing them. A lot of scenes alluded to many of the characters and in the positions they were in in the movie. For instance, in Episode 25 when they're going through Asuka's mind, they show her sitting upside down in Eva 02, exactly like in the movie. Episode 25 is just the thoughts of all the characters and what drove them over their turning points.

Episode 26 was that live action sequence in EoE. It was Shinji's thought process when he decided to reject Instrumentality (The thing that caused everyone to 'asplode into tang.) In the movie, it was in live action to show another form of the world he could choose to create, just like that generic school-anime style world was just another reality Shinji could've chosen.

EoE simply showed us went on outside of the character's heads and tied up all of the loose ends that were present at the end of the anime. It showed the Eva Series, which were often alluded to in the anime, as well as showing what Instrumentality was and why Gendo wanted Adam, and his ultimate plan.

 

[delet]

I'm not sure how Asuka's German sounds compared to native German, but NGE is actually really good about using English. The few parts in the anime where they use English (Like when they're delivering Eva 04) had flawless English spoken which was amazing.

Also, in Rebuild 2.22, at the very beginning and about half way through there are parts where characters speak English and it is done really well... Well, except for Kaji. Kaji sucks at English.

well kaji speaking horrible engrish is in character, you will notice the other english speakers speak in grammatically correct english, while kaji does not. I dont know if the voice actor for kaji was just really bad at english so they wrote the script to take advantage of that, or if it was planed like that from the beginning, but it is a clever bit of writing nonetheless so it shall be forgiven.

I think his voice actor simply wasn't good with english so it came out so horribly. I think the thing that really gets me about that scene is that he's sitting there with a sly smirk while saying it.

Everyone else was really great at it, though the commander reading through things a bit slowly was annoying, but still forgivable. Mari was also great for the most part, though her tone was a little off at times.

 

[snowman6251]

-snip-

Spoiler

God there was just so much weird stuff in that movie. A nice chunk of it went over my head for things outside my control. The version I watched was REALLY bright and REALLY quiet even with my volume all the way up. As a result things like him jacking off to comatose Asuka at the beginning went completely unnoticed. I thought he just looked at her naked and got turned on and was like "I'm a douche" but apparently the internet says he actually pleasured himself. Also due to the volume there was a lot of dialogue I never even heard. There were subtitles with what might as well have been no speech. That last line was also kind of like that. Are you sure Asuka said that? I was so sure Shinji said that.

The way I saw that last scene was he and Asuka are the only people left but he's a stupid idiot and was raging at the world. He was pissed at Asuka too because she's always yelling at him and whatnot, as evidenced by that dream like sequence where they're in the kitchen and he gets all murderous with some coffee. So since its just him and her he starts choking her and she kind of looks at him and tries to touch his cheek as if to say "I'm sorry" or "Its all good" or something along those lines and then she dies and he realized he just killed his last friend on Earth and was like "Self hate".

And as weird as that scene is there is still even weirder shit in that movie. The sudden cuts to shots of live people walking around and sitting in a theater type room? It was weird.

Also my friend told me The End of Evangelion was episode 25 and 26 again, but showing everything as opposed to the thoughts of the people involved. That made sense to me for a while but at the end of the show I always thought he accepted the primordial soup existence. In the movie that is obviously not the case. I don't know. Shit got weird.

Spoiler

That's unfortunate. You should really get a better version of it. He did masturbate to Asuka, after which he said "I'm disgusting." I'm absolutely positive Asuka said that and that she didn't die (I've seen the thing 3 times now >.>) I mean, her mouth moved.

The reason why Shinji choked Asuka is very open to interpretation and there's no way in hell Anno will tell us. I'm just going to stick with he was angry at her for not being there for him when he needed her.

As for Episode 25 and 26, they make a hell of a lot more sense if you have knowledge from seeing EoE before seeing them. A lot of scenes alluded to many of the characters and in the positions they were in in the movie. For instance, in Episode 25 when they're going through Asuka's mind, they show her sitting upside down in Eva 02, exactly like in the movie. Episode 25 is just the thoughts of all the characters and what drove them over their turning points.

Episode 26 was that live action sequence in EoE. It was Shinji's thought process when he decided to reject Instrumentality (The thing that caused everyone to 'asplode into tang.) In the movie, it was in live action to show another form of the world he could choose to create, just like that generic school-anime style world was just another reality Shinji could've chosen.

EoE simply showed us went on outside of the character's heads and tied up all of the loose ends that were present at the end of the anime. It showed the Eva Series, which were often alluded to in the anime, as well as showing what Instrumentality was and why Gendo wanted Adam, and his ultimate plan.

Spoiler

I never actually went back and watched 25 and 26 after watching the movie but I did recognize some things as I watched the movie, namely Misato being shot. That cleared up a lot as far as how that ended up happening.

For the most part however I feel like the movie fucked my understanding of the show. I won't claim to have flawlessly understood the series but after episode 25 and 26, as bizarre as they were, I came to my own conclusions about what happened in the show and what it was trying to say. The movie in a lot of ways came along and completely fucked my understanding of the show in the ass.

In some ways it cleared things up like Misato being shot and what actually went down but in other ways what actually went down made less sense to me. Really that happened towards the end when Rei merged with Adam and had a growth spurt that would put Godzilla to shame.

I was perfectly content with the theme of the show being something along the lines of "what does it mean to be a human/to exist" and Rei being a clone fit right in with that. Is she a real person? Is she fake (or a doll like Asuka says)? What constitutes a person? That was something I could wrap my head around.

In the movie Rei basically turned into God and it kind of threw me for a loop. Then stuff started getting really Christian what with Shinji practically being nailed to a cross and the whole world exploding into crosses. It kind of messed up my original conclusions which I found to be a little upsetting.

 

[TheGreatCoolEnergy]

Full Metal Alchemist: I usually avoid anime like the black plague. But my brother started watching it, and I found it quite captivating.

 

[Krotchstak]

Spoiler

Then stuff started getting really Christian what with Shinji practically being nailed to a cross and the whole world exploding into crosses. It kind of messed up my original conclusions which I found to be a little upsetting.

It's worth noting that you shouldn't pay too much attention to any of Judeo Christian imagery/trappings of the series. Word of God (heh) is that they're just there for the series to feel exotic and foreign, in the same way that Evangelion was used for the title. They don't mean anything, they just provide a unique aesthetic. The important bits are the psychological ones.

 

[snowman6251]

Spoiler

Then stuff started getting really Christian what with Shinji practically being nailed to a cross and the whole world exploding into crosses. It kind of messed up my original conclusions which I found to be a little upsetting.

It's worth noting that you shouldn't pay too much attention to any of Judeo Christian imagery/trappings of the series. Word of God (heh) is that they're just there for the series to feel exotic and foreign, in the same way that Evangelion was used for the title. They don't mean anything, they just provide a unique aesthetic. The important bits are the psychological ones.

Oh I didn't. I'm very atheist and I had a good thing going with Evangelion and I wasn't about to let some crosses ruin it.

 

[snowman6251]

Spoiler

Then stuff started getting really Christian what with Shinji practically being nailed to a cross and the whole world exploding into crosses. It kind of messed up my original conclusions which I found to be a little upsetting.

It's worth noting that you shouldn't pay too much attention to any of Judeo Christian imagery/trappings of the series. Word of God (heh) is that they're just there for the series to feel exotic and foreign, in the same way that Evangelion was used for the title. They don't mean anything, they just provide a unique aesthetic. The important bits are the psychological ones.

Oh I didn't. I'm very atheist and I had a good thing going with Evangelion and I wasn't about to let some crosses ruin it.

 

[Pink_Pirate]

-snip-

Spoiler

God there was just so much weird stuff in that movie. A nice chunk of it went over my head for things outside my control. The version I watched was REALLY bright and REALLY quiet even with my volume all the way up. As a result things like him jacking off to comatose Asuka at the beginning went completely unnoticed. I thought he just looked at her naked and got turned on and was like "I'm a douche" but apparently the internet says he actually pleasured himself. Also due to the volume there was a lot of dialogue I never even heard. There were subtitles with what might as well have been no speech. That last line was also kind of like that. Are you sure Asuka said that? I was so sure Shinji said that.

The way I saw that last scene was he and Asuka are the only people left but he's a stupid idiot and was raging at the world. He was pissed at Asuka too because she's always yelling at him and whatnot, as evidenced by that dream like sequence where they're in the kitchen and he gets all murderous with some coffee. So since its just him and her he starts choking her and she kind of looks at him and tries to touch his cheek as if to say "I'm sorry" or "Its all good" or something along those lines and then she dies and he realized he just killed his last friend on Earth and was like "Self hate".

And as weird as that scene is there is still even weirder shit in that movie. The sudden cuts to shots of live people walking around and sitting in a theater type room? It was weird.

Also my friend told me The End of Evangelion was episode 25 and 26 again, but showing everything as opposed to the thoughts of the people involved. That made sense to me for a while but at the end of the show I always thought he accepted the primordial soup existence. In the movie that is obviously not the case. I don't know. Shit got weird.

Spoiler

That's unfortunate. You should really get a better version of it. He did masturbate to Asuka, after which he said "I'm disgusting." I'm absolutely positive Asuka said that and that she didn't die (I've seen the thing 3 times now >.>) I mean, her mouth moved.

The reason why Shinji choked Asuka is very open to interpretation and there's no way in hell Anno will tell us. I'm just going to stick with he was angry at her for not being there for him when he needed her.

As for Episode 25 and 26, they make a hell of a lot more sense if you have knowledge from seeing EoE before seeing them. A lot of scenes alluded to many of the characters and in the positions they were in in the movie. For instance, in Episode 25 when they're going through Asuka's mind, they show her sitting upside down in Eva 02, exactly like in the movie. Episode 25 is just the thoughts of all the characters and what drove them over their turning points.

Episode 26 was that live action sequence in EoE. It was Shinji's thought process when he decided to reject Instrumentality (The thing that caused everyone to 'asplode into tang.) In the movie, it was in live action to show another form of the world he could choose to create, just like that generic school-anime style world was just another reality Shinji could've chosen.

EoE simply showed us went on outside of the character's heads and tied up all of the loose ends that were present at the end of the anime. It showed the Eva Series, which were often alluded to in the anime, as well as showing what Instrumentality was and why Gendo wanted Adam, and his ultimate plan.

Spoiler

I never actually went back and watched 25 and 26 after watching the movie but I did recognize some things as I watched the movie, namely Misato being shot. That cleared up a lot as far as how that ended up happening.

For the most part however I feel like the movie fucked my understanding of the show. I won't claim to have flawlessly understood the series but after episode 25 and 26, as bizarre as they were, I came to my own conclusions about what happened in the show and what it was trying to say. The movie in a lot of ways came along and completely fucked my understanding of the show in the ass.

In some ways it cleared things up like Misato being shot and what actually went down but in other ways what actually went down made less sense to me. Really that happened towards the end when Rei merged with Adam and had a growth spurt that would put Godzilla to shame.

I was perfectly content with the theme of the show being something along the lines of "what does it mean to be a human/to exist" and Rei being a clone fit right in with that. Is she a real person? Is she fake (or a doll like Asuka says)? What constitutes a person? That was something I could wrap my head around.

In the movie Rei basically turned into God and it kind of threw me for a loop. Then stuff started getting really Christian what with Shinji practically being nailed to a cross and the whole world exploding into crosses. It kind of messed up my original conclusions which I found to be a little upsetting.

Spoiler

well although the moves and ep 25 and 26 do share similar themes and events they are actually not connected, EoE is strictly an alternative ending, especially in the choice shinji makes in the end, in the original series he chooses instrumentality and in the movies he rejects it. The movie was for the most part just anno giving fans who complained about the original ending a giant cock slap. The whole point of that movie is to leave you unsatisfied, so while it does explain a lot of the questions left by the original ep 25-6, it asks about twice as many questions in turn.

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Spoiler

as far as shinji choking asuka in the end i've always taken it as Anno's middle finger to the fans. It is interesting to note however that she does not have blue eyes like normal in that last scene, but brown eyes like misato, and her bandages are very reminiscent of rei from ep1, so there are theories that she is actually a combination of the three. food for thought.

 

[delet]

-snip-

Spoiler

God there was just so much weird stuff in that movie. A nice chunk of it went over my head for things outside my control. The version I watched was REALLY bright and REALLY quiet even with my volume all the way up. As a result things like him jacking off to comatose Asuka at the beginning went completely unnoticed. I thought he just looked at her naked and got turned on and was like "I'm a douche" but apparently the internet says he actually pleasured himself. Also due to the volume there was a lot of dialogue I never even heard. There were subtitles with what might as well have been no speech. That last line was also kind of like that. Are you sure Asuka said that? I was so sure Shinji said that.

The way I saw that last scene was he and Asuka are the only people left but he's a stupid idiot and was raging at the world. He was pissed at Asuka too because she's always yelling at him and whatnot, as evidenced by that dream like sequence where they're in the kitchen and he gets all murderous with some coffee. So since its just him and her he starts choking her and she kind of looks at him and tries to touch his cheek as if to say "I'm sorry" or "Its all good" or something along those lines and then she dies and he realized he just killed his last friend on Earth and was like "Self hate".

And as weird as that scene is there is still even weirder shit in that movie. The sudden cuts to shots of live people walking around and sitting in a theater type room? It was weird.

Also my friend told me The End of Evangelion was episode 25 and 26 again, but showing everything as opposed to the thoughts of the people involved. That made sense to me for a while but at the end of the show I always thought he accepted the primordial soup existence. In the movie that is obviously not the case. I don't know. Shit got weird.

Spoiler

That's unfortunate. You should really get a better version of it. He did masturbate to Asuka, after which he said "I'm disgusting." I'm absolutely positive Asuka said that and that she didn't die (I've seen the thing 3 times now >.>) I mean, her mouth moved.

The reason why Shinji choked Asuka is very open to interpretation and there's no way in hell Anno will tell us. I'm just going to stick with he was angry at her for not being there for him when he needed her.

As for Episode 25 and 26, they make a hell of a lot more sense if you have knowledge from seeing EoE before seeing them. A lot of scenes alluded to many of the characters and in the positions they were in in the movie. For instance, in Episode 25 when they're going through Asuka's mind, they show her sitting upside down in Eva 02, exactly like in the movie. Episode 25 is just the thoughts of all the characters and what drove them over their turning points.

Episode 26 was that live action sequence in EoE. It was Shinji's thought process when he decided to reject Instrumentality (The thing that caused everyone to 'asplode into tang.) In the movie, it was in live action to show another form of the world he could choose to create, just like that generic school-anime style world was just another reality Shinji could've chosen.

EoE simply showed us went on outside of the character's heads and tied up all of the loose ends that were present at the end of the anime. It showed the Eva Series, which were often alluded to in the anime, as well as showing what Instrumentality was and why Gendo wanted Adam, and his ultimate plan.

Spoiler

I never actually went back and watched 25 and 26 after watching the movie but I did recognize some things as I watched the movie, namely Misato being shot. That cleared up a lot as far as how that ended up happening.

For the most part however I feel like the movie fucked my understanding of the show. I won't claim to have flawlessly understood the series but after episode 25 and 26, as bizarre as they were, I came to my own conclusions about what happened in the show and what it was trying to say. The movie in a lot of ways came along and completely fucked my understanding of the show in the ass.

In some ways it cleared things up like Misato being shot and what actually went down but in other ways what actually went down made less sense to me. Really that happened towards the end when Rei merged with Adam and had a growth spurt that would put Godzilla to shame.

I was perfectly content with the theme of the show being something along the lines of "what does it mean to be a human/to exist" and Rei being a clone fit right in with that. Is she a real person? Is she fake (or a doll like Asuka says)? What constitutes a person? That was something I could wrap my head around.

In the movie Rei basically turned into God and it kind of threw me for a loop. Then stuff started getting really Christian what with Shinji practically being nailed to a cross and the whole world exploding into crosses. It kind of messed up my original conclusions which I found to be a little upsetting.

Spoiler

Well first off, all the christian/kabalic/relgious symbolism in the anime is in there for absoltely no reason. There's nothing you should really take from that in a religious thyme. I don't remember the exact quote, but Anno said something along the lines that it just made things seem more complicated. You really shouldn't take much of anything from the religious symbols in it.

Well with my understanding of the final 2 episodes, I prefer them as the interpretation of Shinji's state of mind and his decision to reject Instrumentality, along with the mental decisions the other characters took. However, I prefer EoE because it tied everything up in the end. NGE still definitly gives that 'what is it to be human, what is it to exit" thing with EoE, but it also concludes the series more definitively.

With Rei becoming that giant ethereal being, that's because she, who is the embodiment of the soul of Lilith, combined with Adam and joined with the body of Lilith, creating the Third Impact. She didn't really turn into a God, she just funnelled everyone's souls into the Tree of Life that was creeated after the Lance of Longinus penetrated Eva 01. Because Shinji was inside he was then given the choice of whether or not to merge every human being into each other, or allow them all to be seperate beings. At first, he wanted everyone dead, but after realizing what the decision he made actually meant and coming to terms with his own issues, he decided to reject Instrumentality and give humanity a chance.

I'm going to go ahead and guess you saw End of Evangelion a good amount of time after you watched the anime, right? That would probably make sense as to why you created your own ending to the loose ends present in NGE. I saw End of Evangelion only a few days after finishing the anime so I never formed any theories about the end until after getting the true end.

 

[thenoblitt]

cowboy bebop that is all

 

[snowman6251]

-snip-

Spoiler

God there was just so much weird stuff in that movie. A nice chunk of it went over my head for things outside my control. The version I watched was REALLY bright and REALLY quiet even with my volume all the way up. As a result things like him jacking off to comatose Asuka at the beginning went completely unnoticed. I thought he just looked at her naked and got turned on and was like "I'm a douche" but apparently the internet says he actually pleasured himself. Also due to the volume there was a lot of dialogue I never even heard. There were subtitles with what might as well have been no speech. That last line was also kind of like that. Are you sure Asuka said that? I was so sure Shinji said that.

The way I saw that last scene was he and Asuka are the only people left but he's a stupid idiot and was raging at the world. He was pissed at Asuka too because she's always yelling at him and whatnot, as evidenced by that dream like sequence where they're in the kitchen and he gets all murderous with some coffee. So since its just him and her he starts choking her and she kind of looks at him and tries to touch his cheek as if to say "I'm sorry" or "Its all good" or something along those lines and then she dies and he realized he just killed his last friend on Earth and was like "Self hate".

And as weird as that scene is there is still even weirder shit in that movie. The sudden cuts to shots of live people walking around and sitting in a theater type room? It was weird.

Also my friend told me The End of Evangelion was episode 25 and 26 again, but showing everything as opposed to the thoughts of the people involved. That made sense to me for a while but at the end of the show I always thought he accepted the primordial soup existence. In the movie that is obviously not the case. I don't know. Shit got weird.

Spoiler

That's unfortunate. You should really get a better version of it. He did masturbate to Asuka, after which he said "I'm disgusting." I'm absolutely positive Asuka said that and that she didn't die (I've seen the thing 3 times now >.>) I mean, her mouth moved.

The reason why Shinji choked Asuka is very open to interpretation and there's no way in hell Anno will tell us. I'm just going to stick with he was angry at her for not being there for him when he needed her.

As for Episode 25 and 26, they make a hell of a lot more sense if you have knowledge from seeing EoE before seeing them. A lot of scenes alluded to many of the characters and in the positions they were in in the movie. For instance, in Episode 25 when they're going through Asuka's mind, they show her sitting upside down in Eva 02, exactly like in the movie. Episode 25 is just the thoughts of all the characters and what drove them over their turning points.

Episode 26 was that live action sequence in EoE. It was Shinji's thought process when he decided to reject Instrumentality (The thing that caused everyone to 'asplode into tang.) In the movie, it was in live action to show another form of the world he could choose to create, just like that generic school-anime style world was just another reality Shinji could've chosen.

EoE simply showed us went on outside of the character's heads and tied up all of the loose ends that were present at the end of the anime. It showed the Eva Series, which were often alluded to in the anime, as well as showing what Instrumentality was and why Gendo wanted Adam, and his ultimate plan.

Spoiler

I never actually went back and watched 25 and 26 after watching the movie but I did recognize some things as I watched the movie, namely Misato being shot. That cleared up a lot as far as how that ended up happening.

For the most part however I feel like the movie fucked my understanding of the show. I won't claim to have flawlessly understood the series but after episode 25 and 26, as bizarre as they were, I came to my own conclusions about what happened in the show and what it was trying to say. The movie in a lot of ways came along and completely fucked my understanding of the show in the ass.

In some ways it cleared things up like Misato being shot and what actually went down but in other ways what actually went down made less sense to me. Really that happened towards the end when Rei merged with Adam and had a growth spurt that would put Godzilla to shame.

I was perfectly content with the theme of the show being something along the lines of "what does it mean to be a human/to exist" and Rei being a clone fit right in with that. Is she a real person? Is she fake (or a doll like Asuka says)? What constitutes a person? That was something I could wrap my head around.

In the movie Rei basically turned into God and it kind of threw me for a loop. Then stuff started getting really Christian what with Shinji practically being nailed to a cross and the whole world exploding into crosses. It kind of messed up my original conclusions which I found to be a little upsetting.

Spoiler

Well first off, all the christian/kabalic/relgious symbolism in the anime is in there for absoltely no reason. There's nothing you should really take from that in a religious thyme. I don't remember the exact quote, but Anno said something along the lines that it just made things seem more complicated. You really shouldn't take much of anything from the religious symbols in it.

Well with my understanding of the final 2 episodes, I prefer them as the interpretation of Shinji's state of mind and his decision to reject Instrumentality, along with the mental decisions the other characters took. However, I prefer EoE because it tied everything up in the end. NGE still definitly gives that 'what is it to be human, what is it to exit" thing with EoE, but it also concludes the series more definitively.

With Rei becoming that giant ethereal being, that's because she, who is the embodiment of the soul of Lilith, combined with Adam and joined with the body of Lilith, creating the Third Impact. She didn't really turn into a God, she just funnelled everyone's souls into the Tree of Life that was creeated after the Lance of Longinus penetrated Eva 01. Because Shinji was inside he was then given the choice of whether or not to merge every human being into each other, or allow them all to be seperate beings. At first, he wanted everyone dead, but after realizing what the decision he made actually meant and coming to terms with his own issues, he decided to reject Instrumentality and give humanity a chance.

I'm going to go ahead and guess you saw End of Evangelion a good amount of time after you watched the anime, right? That would probably make sense as to why you created your own ending to the loose ends present in NGE. I saw End of Evangelion only a few days after finishing the anime so I never formed any theories about the end until after getting the true end.

Spoiler

That is correct. If I had to guess I'd say I watched the movies somewhere in the realm of 6 months or more after finishing the series. When it all comes down to it I'd say that I enjoyed the movie but feel more comfortable with the show.

I need to watch the rebuilds. I'm really curious about that new girl with the glasses. My friend showed me a picture of her unit. That thing is both funky and awesome.

 

[fer1wi]

I recommend Code Geass. It's (in my opinion) a great anime, one in which you have to listen and watch every episode, or else you'll be lost. Best way I can describe it is a mix between Death Note (in immersive story), and Gundam (setting).

There's official 30:00 minute episodes on YouTube. I'm posting the first episode if you want to watch it immediately.

Spoiler: Code Geass first episode

 

[delet]

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Spoiler

God there was just so much weird stuff in that movie. A nice chunk of it went over my head for things outside my control. The version I watched was REALLY bright and REALLY quiet even with my volume all the way up. As a result things like him jacking off to comatose Asuka at the beginning went completely unnoticed. I thought he just looked at her naked and got turned on and was like "I'm a douche" but apparently the internet says he actually pleasured himself. Also due to the volume there was a lot of dialogue I never even heard. There were subtitles with what might as well have been no speech. That last line was also kind of like that. Are you sure Asuka said that? I was so sure Shinji said that.

The way I saw that last scene was he and Asuka are the only people left but he's a stupid idiot and was raging at the world. He was pissed at Asuka too because she's always yelling at him and whatnot, as evidenced by that dream like sequence where they're in the kitchen and he gets all murderous with some coffee. So since its just him and her he starts choking her and she kind of looks at him and tries to touch his cheek as if to say "I'm sorry" or "Its all good" or something along those lines and then she dies and he realized he just killed his last friend on Earth and was like "Self hate".

And as weird as that scene is there is still even weirder shit in that movie. The sudden cuts to shots of live people walking around and sitting in a theater type room? It was weird.

Also my friend told me The End of Evangelion was episode 25 and 26 again, but showing everything as opposed to the thoughts of the people involved. That made sense to me for a while but at the end of the show I always thought he accepted the primordial soup existence. In the movie that is obviously not the case. I don't know. Shit got weird.

Spoiler

That's unfortunate. You should really get a better version of it. He did masturbate to Asuka, after which he said "I'm disgusting." I'm absolutely positive Asuka said that and that she didn't die (I've seen the thing 3 times now >.>) I mean, her mouth moved.

The reason why Shinji choked Asuka is very open to interpretation and there's no way in hell Anno will tell us. I'm just going to stick with he was angry at her for not being there for him when he needed her.

As for Episode 25 and 26, they make a hell of a lot more sense if you have knowledge from seeing EoE before seeing them. A lot of scenes alluded to many of the characters and in the positions they were in in the movie. For instance, in Episode 25 when they're going through Asuka's mind, they show her sitting upside down in Eva 02, exactly like in the movie. Episode 25 is just the thoughts of all the characters and what drove them over their turning points.

Episode 26 was that live action sequence in EoE. It was Shinji's thought process when he decided to reject Instrumentality (The thing that caused everyone to 'asplode into tang.) In the movie, it was in live action to show another form of the world he could choose to create, just like that generic school-anime style world was just another reality Shinji could've chosen.

EoE simply showed us went on outside of the character's heads and tied up all of the loose ends that were present at the end of the anime. It showed the Eva Series, which were often alluded to in the anime, as well as showing what Instrumentality was and why Gendo wanted Adam, and his ultimate plan.

Spoiler

I never actually went back and watched 25 and 26 after watching the movie but I did recognize some things as I watched the movie, namely Misato being shot. That cleared up a lot as far as how that ended up happening.

For the most part however I feel like the movie fucked my understanding of the show. I won't claim to have flawlessly understood the series but after episode 25 and 26, as bizarre as they were, I came to my own conclusions about what happened in the show and what it was trying to say. The movie in a lot of ways came along and completely fucked my understanding of the show in the ass.

In some ways it cleared things up like Misato being shot and what actually went down but in other ways what actually went down made less sense to me. Really that happened towards the end when Rei merged with Adam and had a growth spurt that would put Godzilla to shame.

I was perfectly content with the theme of the show being something along the lines of "what does it mean to be a human/to exist" and Rei being a clone fit right in with that. Is she a real person? Is she fake (or a doll like Asuka says)? What constitutes a person? That was something I could wrap my head around.

In the movie Rei basically turned into God and it kind of threw me for a loop. Then stuff started getting really Christian what with Shinji practically being nailed to a cross and the whole world exploding into crosses. It kind of messed up my original conclusions which I found to be a little upsetting.

Spoiler

Well first off, all the christian/kabalic/relgious symbolism in the anime is in there for absoltely no reason. There's nothing you should really take from that in a religious thyme. I don't remember the exact quote, but Anno said something along the lines that it just made things seem more complicated. You really shouldn't take much of anything from the religious symbols in it.

Well with my understanding of the final 2 episodes, I prefer them as the interpretation of Shinji's state of mind and his decision to reject Instrumentality, along with the mental decisions the other characters took. However, I prefer EoE because it tied everything up in the end. NGE still definitly gives that 'what is it to be human, what is it to exit" thing with EoE, but it also concludes the series more definitively.

With Rei becoming that giant ethereal being, that's because she, who is the embodiment of the soul of Lilith, combined with Adam and joined with the body of Lilith, creating the Third Impact. She didn't really turn into a God, she just funnelled everyone's souls into the Tree of Life that was creeated after the Lance of Longinus penetrated Eva 01. Because Shinji was inside he was then given the choice of whether or not to merge every human being into each other, or allow them all to be seperate beings. At first, he wanted everyone dead, but after realizing what the decision he made actually meant and coming to terms with his own issues, he decided to reject Instrumentality and give humanity a chance.

I'm going to go ahead and guess you saw End of Evangelion a good amount of time after you watched the anime, right? That would probably make sense as to why you created your own ending to the loose ends present in NGE. I saw End of Evangelion only a few days after finishing the anime so I never formed any theories about the end until after getting the true end.

Spoiler

That is correct. If I had to guess I'd say I watched the movies somewhere in the realm of 6 months or more after finishing the series. When it all comes down to it I'd say that I enjoyed the movie but feel more comfortable with the show.

I need to watch the rebuilds. I'm really curious about that new girl with the glasses. My friend showed me a picture of her unit. That thing is both funky and awesome.

Spoiler

Yes, Mari is quite awesome. Many people criticize her for seeming unneededin the series so far, but it's only the second movie out of four. She has plenty of time to develop.

Spoiler

well although the moves and ep 25 and 26 do share similar themes and events they are actually not connected, EoE is strictly an alternative ending, especially in the choice shinji makes in the end, in the original series he chooses instrumentality and in the movies he rejects it. The movie was for the most part just anno giving fans who complained about the original ending a giant cock slap. The whole point of that movie is to leave you unsatisfied, so while it does explain a lot of the questions left by the original ep 25-6, it asks about twice as many questions in turn.

Spoiler

Hold on, now. How did Shinji accept Instrumentality in 25-26? In the end, he decided he would rather go on living and crushed the world he had created: the empty room with the stage. It shattered at the end,showing he rejected that outcome.

 

[razerdoh]

Macross, GiTS (watch the 1995 movie first), Appleseed exmachina, Full metal panic, TTGL, Azura Cryin', Code Geass, Kurogane no Linebarrels, Trigun, NGE...

 

[Pink_Pirate]

-snip-

Spoiler

God there was just so much weird stuff in that movie. A nice chunk of it went over my head for things outside my control. The version I watched was REALLY bright and REALLY quiet even with my volume all the way up. As a result things like him jacking off to comatose Asuka at the beginning went completely unnoticed. I thought he just looked at her naked and got turned on and was like "I'm a douche" but apparently the internet says he actually pleasured himself. Also due to the volume there was a lot of dialogue I never even heard. There were subtitles with what might as well have been no speech. That last line was also kind of like that. Are you sure Asuka said that? I was so sure Shinji said that.

The way I saw that last scene was he and Asuka are the only people left but he's a stupid idiot and was raging at the world. He was pissed at Asuka too because she's always yelling at him and whatnot, as evidenced by that dream like sequence where they're in the kitchen and he gets all murderous with some coffee. So since its just him and her he starts choking her and she kind of looks at him and tries to touch his cheek as if to say "I'm sorry" or "Its all good" or something along those lines and then she dies and he realized he just killed his last friend on Earth and was like "Self hate".

And as weird as that scene is there is still even weirder shit in that movie. The sudden cuts to shots of live people walking around and sitting in a theater type room? It was weird.

Also my friend told me The End of Evangelion was episode 25 and 26 again, but showing everything as opposed to the thoughts of the people involved. That made sense to me for a while but at the end of the show I always thought he accepted the primordial soup existence. In the movie that is obviously not the case. I don't know. Shit got weird.

Spoiler

That's unfortunate. You should really get a better version of it. He did masturbate to Asuka, after which he said "I'm disgusting." I'm absolutely positive Asuka said that and that she didn't die (I've seen the thing 3 times now >.>) I mean, her mouth moved.

The reason why Shinji choked Asuka is very open to interpretation and there's no way in hell Anno will tell us. I'm just going to stick with he was angry at her for not being there for him when he needed her.

As for Episode 25 and 26, they make a hell of a lot more sense if you have knowledge from seeing EoE before seeing them. A lot of scenes alluded to many of the characters and in the positions they were in in the movie. For instance, in Episode 25 when they're going through Asuka's mind, they show her sitting upside down in Eva 02, exactly like in the movie. Episode 25 is just the thoughts of all the characters and what drove them over their turning points.

Episode 26 was that live action sequence in EoE. It was Shinji's thought process when he decided to reject Instrumentality (The thing that caused everyone to 'asplode into tang.) In the movie, it was in live action to show another form of the world he could choose to create, just like that generic school-anime style world was just another reality Shinji could've chosen.

EoE simply showed us went on outside of the character's heads and tied up all of the loose ends that were present at the end of the anime. It showed the Eva Series, which were often alluded to in the anime, as well as showing what Instrumentality was and why Gendo wanted Adam, and his ultimate plan.

Spoiler

I never actually went back and watched 25 and 26 after watching the movie but I did recognize some things as I watched the movie, namely Misato being shot. That cleared up a lot as far as how that ended up happening.

For the most part however I feel like the movie fucked my understanding of the show. I won't claim to have flawlessly understood the series but after episode 25 and 26, as bizarre as they were, I came to my own conclusions about what happened in the show and what it was trying to say. The movie in a lot of ways came along and completely fucked my understanding of the show in the ass.

In some ways it cleared things up like Misato being shot and what actually went down but in other ways what actually went down made less sense to me. Really that happened towards the end when Rei merged with Adam and had a growth spurt that would put Godzilla to shame.

I was perfectly content with the theme of the show being something along the lines of "what does it mean to be a human/to exist" and Rei being a clone fit right in with that. Is she a real person? Is she fake (or a doll like Asuka says)? What constitutes a person? That was something I could wrap my head around.

In the movie Rei basically turned into God and it kind of threw me for a loop. Then stuff started getting really Christian what with Shinji practically being nailed to a cross and the whole world exploding into crosses. It kind of messed up my original conclusions which I found to be a little upsetting.

Spoiler

Well first off, all the christian/kabalic/relgious symbolism in the anime is in there for absoltely no reason. There's nothing you should really take from that in a religious thyme. I don't remember the exact quote, but Anno said something along the lines that it just made things seem more complicated. You really shouldn't take much of anything from the religious symbols in it.

Well with my understanding of the final 2 episodes, I prefer them as the interpretation of Shinji's state of mind and his decision to reject Instrumentality, along with the mental decisions the other characters took. However, I prefer EoE because it tied everything up in the end. NGE still definitly gives that 'what is it to be human, what is it to exit" thing with EoE, but it also concludes the series more definitively.

With Rei becoming that giant ethereal being, that's because she, who is the embodiment of the soul of Lilith, combined with Adam and joined with the body of Lilith, creating the Third Impact. She didn't really turn into a God, she just funnelled everyone's souls into the Tree of Life that was creeated after the Lance of Longinus penetrated Eva 01. Because Shinji was inside he was then given the choice of whether or not to merge every human being into each other, or allow them all to be seperate beings. At first, he wanted everyone dead, but after realizing what the decision he made actually meant and coming to terms with his own issues, he decided to reject Instrumentality and give humanity a chance.

I'm going to go ahead and guess you saw End of Evangelion a good amount of time after you watched the anime, right? That would probably make sense as to why you created your own ending to the loose ends present in NGE. I saw End of Evangelion only a few days after finishing the anime so I never formed any theories about the end until after getting the true end.

Spoiler

TBH id be carefull about calling EoE the true ending, a large part of why it was made was cuz of the fan outrage after the ending of the series. Anno loves torturing his fans, but in EoE he is going out of his way to fuck us over and spoil the ending for us. Most fact actually point to the remake movies being a direct continuation of the original series and EoE, there are a lot of hints, like the ocean already being LCL, and just about anything Kaworu says. It will be interesting to see what they do in the last 2 movies.

 

[snowman6251]

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Spoiler

God there was just so much weird stuff in that movie. A nice chunk of it went over my head for things outside my control. The version I watched was REALLY bright and REALLY quiet even with my volume all the way up. As a result things like him jacking off to comatose Asuka at the beginning went completely unnoticed. I thought he just looked at her naked and got turned on and was like "I'm a douche" but apparently the internet says he actually pleasured himself. Also due to the volume there was a lot of dialogue I never even heard. There were subtitles with what might as well have been no speech. That last line was also kind of like that. Are you sure Asuka said that? I was so sure Shinji said that.

The way I saw that last scene was he and Asuka are the only people left but he's a stupid idiot and was raging at the world. He was pissed at Asuka too because she's always yelling at him and whatnot, as evidenced by that dream like sequence where they're in the kitchen and he gets all murderous with some coffee. So since its just him and her he starts choking her and she kind of looks at him and tries to touch his cheek as if to say "I'm sorry" or "Its all good" or something along those lines and then she dies and he realized he just killed his last friend on Earth and was like "Self hate".

And as weird as that scene is there is still even weirder shit in that movie. The sudden cuts to shots of live people walking around and sitting in a theater type room? It was weird.

Also my friend told me The End of Evangelion was episode 25 and 26 again, but showing everything as opposed to the thoughts of the people involved. That made sense to me for a while but at the end of the show I always thought he accepted the primordial soup existence. In the movie that is obviously not the case. I don't know. Shit got weird.

Spoiler

That's unfortunate. You should really get a better version of it. He did masturbate to Asuka, after which he said "I'm disgusting." I'm absolutely positive Asuka said that and that she didn't die (I've seen the thing 3 times now >.>) I mean, her mouth moved.

The reason why Shinji choked Asuka is very open to interpretation and there's no way in hell Anno will tell us. I'm just going to stick with he was angry at her for not being there for him when he needed her.

As for Episode 25 and 26, they make a hell of a lot more sense if you have knowledge from seeing EoE before seeing them. A lot of scenes alluded to many of the characters and in the positions they were in in the movie. For instance, in Episode 25 when they're going through Asuka's mind, they show her sitting upside down in Eva 02, exactly like in the movie. Episode 25 is just the thoughts of all the characters and what drove them over their turning points.

Episode 26 was that live action sequence in EoE. It was Shinji's thought process when he decided to reject Instrumentality (The thing that caused everyone to 'asplode into tang.) In the movie, it was in live action to show another form of the world he could choose to create, just like that generic school-anime style world was just another reality Shinji could've chosen.

EoE simply showed us went on outside of the character's heads and tied up all of the loose ends that were present at the end of the anime. It showed the Eva Series, which were often alluded to in the anime, as well as showing what Instrumentality was and why Gendo wanted Adam, and his ultimate plan.

Spoiler

I never actually went back and watched 25 and 26 after watching the movie but I did recognize some things as I watched the movie, namely Misato being shot. That cleared up a lot as far as how that ended up happening.

For the most part however I feel like the movie fucked my understanding of the show. I won't claim to have flawlessly understood the series but after episode 25 and 26, as bizarre as they were, I came to my own conclusions about what happened in the show and what it was trying to say. The movie in a lot of ways came along and completely fucked my understanding of the show in the ass.

In some ways it cleared things up like Misato being shot and what actually went down but in other ways what actually went down made less sense to me. Really that happened towards the end when Rei merged with Adam and had a growth spurt that would put Godzilla to shame.

I was perfectly content with the theme of the show being something along the lines of "what does it mean to be a human/to exist" and Rei being a clone fit right in with that. Is she a real person? Is she fake (or a doll like Asuka says)? What constitutes a person? That was something I could wrap my head around.

In the movie Rei basically turned into God and it kind of threw me for a loop. Then stuff started getting really Christian what with Shinji practically being nailed to a cross and the whole world exploding into crosses. It kind of messed up my original conclusions which I found to be a little upsetting.

Spoiler

Well first off, all the christian/kabalic/relgious symbolism in the anime is in there for absoltely no reason. There's nothing you should really take from that in a religious thyme. I don't remember the exact quote, but Anno said something along the lines that it just made things seem more complicated. You really shouldn't take much of anything from the religious symbols in it.

Well with my understanding of the final 2 episodes, I prefer them as the interpretation of Shinji's state of mind and his decision to reject Instrumentality, along with the mental decisions the other characters took. However, I prefer EoE because it tied everything up in the end. NGE still definitly gives that 'what is it to be human, what is it to exit" thing with EoE, but it also concludes the series more definitively.

With Rei becoming that giant ethereal being, that's because she, who is the embodiment of the soul of Lilith, combined with Adam and joined with the body of Lilith, creating the Third Impact. She didn't really turn into a God, she just funnelled everyone's souls into the Tree of Life that was creeated after the Lance of Longinus penetrated Eva 01. Because Shinji was inside he was then given the choice of whether or not to merge every human being into each other, or allow them all to be seperate beings. At first, he wanted everyone dead, but after realizing what the decision he made actually meant and coming to terms with his own issues, he decided to reject Instrumentality and give humanity a chance.

I'm going to go ahead and guess you saw End of Evangelion a good amount of time after you watched the anime, right? That would probably make sense as to why you created your own ending to the loose ends present in NGE. I saw End of Evangelion only a few days after finishing the anime so I never formed any theories about the end until after getting the true end.

Spoiler

That is correct. If I had to guess I'd say I watched the movies somewhere in the realm of 6 months or more after finishing the series. When it all comes down to it I'd say that I enjoyed the movie but feel more comfortable with the show.

I need to watch the rebuilds. I'm really curious about that new girl with the glasses. My friend showed me a picture of her unit. That thing is both funky and awesome.

Spoiler

Yes, Mari is quite awesome. Many people criticize her for seeming unneededin the series so far, but it's only the second movie out of four. She has plenty of time to develop.

Spoiler

well although the moves and ep 25 and 26 do share similar themes and events they are actually not connected, EoE is strictly an alternative ending, especially in the choice shinji makes in the end, in the original series he chooses instrumentality and in the movies he rejects it. The movie was for the most part just anno giving fans who complained about the original ending a giant cock slap. The whole point of that movie is to leave you unsatisfied, so while it does explain a lot of the questions left by the original ep 25-6, it asks about twice as many questions in turn.

Spoiler

Hold on, now. How did Shinji accept Instrumentality in 25-26? In the end, he decided he would rather go on living and crushed the world he had created: the empty room with the stage. It shattered at the end,showing he rejected that outcome.

Spoiler

I had originally thought he accepted it in the show too. I thought that because he's having his internal conflicts and then he walks into a group of a bunch of people all applauding him and welcoming him to what I always assumed was joint humanity. You said something about a crack which I didn't notice but I may go watch the ending again to look for it.

 

[Pink_Pirate]

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Spoiler

God there was just so much weird stuff in that movie. A nice chunk of it went over my head for things outside my control. The version I watched was REALLY bright and REALLY quiet even with my volume all the way up. As a result things like him jacking off to comatose Asuka at the beginning went completely unnoticed. I thought he just looked at her naked and got turned on and was like "I'm a douche" but apparently the internet says he actually pleasured himself. Also due to the volume there was a lot of dialogue I never even heard. There were subtitles with what might as well have been no speech. That last line was also kind of like that. Are you sure Asuka said that? I was so sure Shinji said that.

The way I saw that last scene was he and Asuka are the only people left but he's a stupid idiot and was raging at the world. He was pissed at Asuka too because she's always yelling at him and whatnot, as evidenced by that dream like sequence where they're in the kitchen and he gets all murderous with some coffee. So since its just him and her he starts choking her and she kind of looks at him and tries to touch his cheek as if to say "I'm sorry" or "Its all good" or something along those lines and then she dies and he realized he just killed his last friend on Earth and was like "Self hate".

And as weird as that scene is there is still even weirder shit in that movie. The sudden cuts to shots of live people walking around and sitting in a theater type room? It was weird.

Also my friend told me The End of Evangelion was episode 25 and 26 again, but showing everything as opposed to the thoughts of the people involved. That made sense to me for a while but at the end of the show I always thought he accepted the primordial soup existence. In the movie that is obviously not the case. I don't know. Shit got weird.

Spoiler

That's unfortunate. You should really get a better version of it. He did masturbate to Asuka, after which he said "I'm disgusting." I'm absolutely positive Asuka said that and that she didn't die (I've seen the thing 3 times now >.>) I mean, her mouth moved.

The reason why Shinji choked Asuka is very open to interpretation and there's no way in hell Anno will tell us. I'm just going to stick with he was angry at her for not being there for him when he needed her.

As for Episode 25 and 26, they make a hell of a lot more sense if you have knowledge from seeing EoE before seeing them. A lot of scenes alluded to many of the characters and in the positions they were in in the movie. For instance, in Episode 25 when they're going through Asuka's mind, they show her sitting upside down in Eva 02, exactly like in the movie. Episode 25 is just the thoughts of all the characters and what drove them over their turning points.

Episode 26 was that live action sequence in EoE. It was Shinji's thought process when he decided to reject Instrumentality (The thing that caused everyone to 'asplode into tang.) In the movie, it was in live action to show another form of the world he could choose to create, just like that generic school-anime style world was just another reality Shinji could've chosen.

EoE simply showed us went on outside of the character's heads and tied up all of the loose ends that were present at the end of the anime. It showed the Eva Series, which were often alluded to in the anime, as well as showing what Instrumentality was and why Gendo wanted Adam, and his ultimate plan.

Spoiler

I never actually went back and watched 25 and 26 after watching the movie but I did recognize some things as I watched the movie, namely Misato being shot. That cleared up a lot as far as how that ended up happening.

For the most part however I feel like the movie fucked my understanding of the show. I won't claim to have flawlessly understood the series but after episode 25 and 26, as bizarre as they were, I came to my own conclusions about what happened in the show and what it was trying to say. The movie in a lot of ways came along and completely fucked my understanding of the show in the ass.

In some ways it cleared things up like Misato being shot and what actually went down but in other ways what actually went down made less sense to me. Really that happened towards the end when Rei merged with Adam and had a growth spurt that would put Godzilla to shame.

I was perfectly content with the theme of the show being something along the lines of "what does it mean to be a human/to exist" and Rei being a clone fit right in with that. Is she a real person? Is she fake (or a doll like Asuka says)? What constitutes a person? That was something I could wrap my head around.

In the movie Rei basically turned into God and it kind of threw me for a loop. Then stuff started getting really Christian what with Shinji practically being nailed to a cross and the whole world exploding into crosses. It kind of messed up my original conclusions which I found to be a little upsetting.

Spoiler

Well first off, all the christian/kabalic/relgious symbolism in the anime is in there for absoltely no reason. There's nothing you should really take from that in a religious thyme. I don't remember the exact quote, but Anno said something along the lines that it just made things seem more complicated. You really shouldn't take much of anything from the religious symbols in it.

Well with my understanding of the final 2 episodes, I prefer them as the interpretation of Shinji's state of mind and his decision to reject Instrumentality, along with the mental decisions the other characters took. However, I prefer EoE because it tied everything up in the end. NGE still definitly gives that 'what is it to be human, what is it to exit" thing with EoE, but it also concludes the series more definitively.

With Rei becoming that giant ethereal being, that's because she, who is the embodiment of the soul of Lilith, combined with Adam and joined with the body of Lilith, creating the Third Impact. She didn't really turn into a God, she just funnelled everyone's souls into the Tree of Life that was creeated after the Lance of Longinus penetrated Eva 01. Because Shinji was inside he was then given the choice of whether or not to merge every human being into each other, or allow them all to be seperate beings. At first, he wanted everyone dead, but after realizing what the decision he made actually meant and coming to terms with his own issues, he decided to reject Instrumentality and give humanity a chance.

I'm going to go ahead and guess you saw End of Evangelion a good amount of time after you watched the anime, right? That would probably make sense as to why you created your own ending to the loose ends present in NGE. I saw End of Evangelion only a few days after finishing the anime so I never formed any theories about the end until after getting the true end.

Spoiler

That is correct. If I had to guess I'd say I watched the movies somewhere in the realm of 6 months or more after finishing the series. When it all comes down to it I'd say that I enjoyed the movie but feel more comfortable with the show.

I need to watch the rebuilds. I'm really curious about that new girl with the glasses. My friend showed me a picture of her unit. That thing is both funky and awesome.

Spoiler

Yes, Mari is quite awesome. Many people criticize her for seeming unneededin the series so far, but it's only the second movie out of four. She has plenty of time to develop.

Spoiler

well although the moves and ep 25 and 26 do share similar themes and events they are actually not connected, EoE is strictly an alternative ending, especially in the choice shinji makes in the end, in the original series he chooses instrumentality and in the movies he rejects it. The movie was for the most part just anno giving fans who complained about the original ending a giant cock slap. The whole point of that movie is to leave you unsatisfied, so while it does explain a lot of the questions left by the original ep 25-6, it asks about twice as many questions in turn.

Spoiler

Hold on, now. How did Shinji accept Instrumentality in 25-26? In the end, he decided he would rather go on living and crushed the world he had created: the empty room with the stage. It shattered at the end,showing he rejected that outcome.

Spoiler

i've always taken ep 25 and 26 signifying he accepted instrumentality, its been a while since i watched them, but in the end he accepts who he is, in the end when she stage shatters he is with everybody and all that congratulations bullcrap, thats instrumentality... man its been too long since i watched this, i cant make a compelling argument. But eva is open to interpretation if anything els, thus i win (in my mind).