Science Says Star Wars Blows Up Better Than Star Trek

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The original destruction of the Death Star in 1977 is a moment etched into the memories of all who witnessed it, a grand denouement to the most epic cinematic experience of all time. But that wasn't good enough for ol' George, so in 1997 he added the "ring effect," a hoop of fire that emanated awkwardly from the immolated space station. The effect was more than a little reminiscent than the one used by its Star-faring rival several years earlier, in the 1991 flick Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country. Score one for the Trekkies, right?
I'm confused. Which movie came out first?
 

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Sorry, I dont see how having a trench 30-40 feet deep in something the size of a moon will provide "considerably less resistance." I'm calling bull shit on that one.
 

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The Amazing Tea Alligator said:
Phil Plait's great! Anybody read 'Death from the Skies!'?
Hell yeah!

I loved his explanations of Gamma-Ray Bursts, as well as his plausible alien invasion.
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
bojac6 said:
(For the record, I do not think we need to wait for science. If there is a character from Star Trek sexier than Princess Leia, I haven't seen the episode. And I've seen all the episodes.)
The infamous "Decontamination" skit in Enterprise?
You would make me think of THAT wouldn't you? :p
 

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Honestly, am I the only who thinks it is kind of pointless to compare realism in two science-fiction franchises that completely disregard many realities of space?

While we are on the subject, here [http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/index.html] is a useful link on the matter.
 

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Queen Michael said:
Star Wars wins! Now to find scientific evidence for all the other stuff in the movies. The lightsabers will have to be our first priority, of course.
It would be more like the beam katana in No More Heroes...a beam of light will continue to stretch outward unless it strikes something it can't pass through...so it'd have to have something to hold its shape.
 

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If the explosion ring is at right angles to the trench on the Death Star, then the trench doesn't come into play at all, and is probably a negative point, all considered.

Personally, I say give both explosion effects a red cross, and send each of the people responsible a dunce cap and a message that they need to sit in the corner until they learn how to do proper space explosions.
 

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Hubilub said:
Firefly still wins for not having sound in space.

Suck on that, Trekkies and... Wookies?
Not to mention that there's no fire in space either - something the crew exploited in one episode to push out a pretty substantial blaze.
 

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Of course it's vertical It was IMPLIED that that scene was seen through the eyes of a dying storm trooper floating off in the distance. He happened to be floating in a position in which the explosion appeared sideways.
 

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Soviet Heavy said:
God I fucking love this video. Especially when Vader does the big fuck you force choke the whole crew for making fun of his lasers.

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Whoops, I was talking about the wrong video.

THIS is the one I was referring to.
Holy shit that's an awesome and probably accurate video. I'm a fan of both series, and I've always said that the Enterprise would kick Star Wars' ass.

OT: Lucas still did it wrong IMO. If the trench is considered a stress point, then the ring should have been horizontally aligned. I'm also assuming the trench that is being referred to is the docking ring around the center, because the exhaust trench was minuscule to the one that was around the entire station.
 

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I always thought the whole 'ring explosion' was stupid.

Anyone that knows anything about physics, nay, common sense would tell you that an explosion produces a force in all directions unless channeled by some kind of fixture or structure. If there is a visable ring from the detonation, it would appear as a ring expanding from the center, as you could only see the density of the wave where it appears thickest from the point of view, which would be the sides of the sphere.
 

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Abedeus said:
Queen Michael said:
Star Wars wins! Now to find scientific evidence for all the other stuff in the movies. The lightsabers will have to be our first priority, of course.
They already made a lightsaber, but it lack a proper energy source. Give nano-materials a couple of years and it'll work.
It sounds like I'm mimicking Fallout, but microfusion cells will win here. The only power source with enough wattage is a fusion or fission reaction and a fusion reaction is mildly easier to contain than a fission reaction.

Is it bad that I'm already getting ideas in my head on how to do this?
 

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Niccolo said:
Abedeus said:
Queen Michael said:
Star Wars wins! Now to find scientific evidence for all the other stuff in the movies. The lightsabers will have to be our first priority, of course.
They already made a lightsaber, but it lack a proper energy source. Give nano-materials a couple of years and it'll work.
It sounds like I'm mimicking Fallout, but microfusion cells will win here. The only power source with enough wattage is a fusion or fission reaction and a fusion reaction is mildly easier to contain than a fission reaction.

Is it bad that I'm already getting ideas in my head on how to do this?
Actually, they're waiting for nanofiber carbon batteries to become viable. One lightsaber would require a power of a small city to work effectively. The idea is to generate a great amount of energy, converting air into plasma. Then, using powerful magnetic field, encasing that plasma around a ceramic sword-shaped object. Only problem is changing colors from orange ;d
 

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Im still waiting for something to have ships fly at eachother at random angles. Why is everything always upright?
 

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GameGoddess101 said:
Does this really matter at all?? I love both franchises though I prefer Star Trek. Honestly, while it's cool and you know, 'one more point for Star Wars' and all that... Does this matter? Both franchises began in the 70's, before the cynical age, so does anyone really care? They're both considered pulp sci-fi, and everyone knows to never take either franchise too seriously on their science. So can we just let it go?
Someone who says not to take it so seriously seems to be taking it too seriously methinks.
 

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ow ow ow.... Given that both involve more plot-holes per minute than an average MST3K flick, is it really worth discussing which one is slightly less flawed???

(Ok, nerds, before you start flaming me, yes, both were entertaining. But, I'm a fucking physicist. I have very high standards about that sort of thing when you start talking about realism; expecting suspension of belief is fine, but trying to explain bullshit physics of fictional universes just makes the bullshit smell that much more pungent).