Sea Sheperd: are they right or wrong?

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DarkRyter

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They're going about it the wrong way. All the money they spend on ramming ships and attacking boats and filming for a tv show could just be spent on bribing Japanese politicians to make whaling illegal.

They're just sensationalists vying for attention instead of legitimately trying to help whales via well meaning government corruption.
 

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I don't really like the idea of commerical whaling when the whale population has been heavily damaged. I'm more of a conservationist in view point while the Sea Shepherd and many of these activists are preservationists.

While I think the Japanese need to lay off the whaling a little, I think the Sea Shepherd is doing everything wrong when it comes to opposing the whaling industry. They are basically saboteurs and terrorists when it comes to some of their tactics.
 

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TheDarkEricDraven said:
Watch the South Park episode "Whale Whores". That about sums up my thoughts on them.
I just watch that South Park episode because of your post. =D

That's some funny sh!t.
 

RamirezDoEverything

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They're right in their efforts, but they are wrong in implementation. Very wrong, those are the most useless protesters ever.
 

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Whaling is illegal, so it's very hard to be on whalers side.

Japanese whaling for a scientific research is a joke, and many countries believe for a good reason that it is just a front for commercial whaling.

So okay, both sides here are criminals, but whalers are worse ones.
 

Korolev

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It depends. The Whaling Japan is doing isn't good, since many of the Whales are endangered.

However, what the Sea Shepherd does is counter-productive. In actual fact, the whaling industry in Japan is dying. It's been dying for a long while. Virtually no one buys Whale-Meat anymore. The Japanese people very rarely eat it. The "research" that the Japanese claim as the reason for hunting the Whales is of little value.

But the Japanese are a proud people. I know it's a stereotype, but I've lived among Asian people my whole life, in conjunction to being half-asian myself. They value face. They value their pride. One of the reasons they continue whaling, is precisely because they see a bunch of white people calling them savages for doing it. No matter what, they do not want to be seen "caving in" to the Sea Shepherd folks. A lot of Japanese people honestly feel as if they are being insulted by the Sea Shepherd, and I don't know if you know Japanese people, but if you tell them they can't do something and that they are "savages", odds are that they will turn around and do MORE OF IT. JUST. TO. SPITE. YOU.

It's not a uniquely Japanese thing either. The US still uses cluster bombs, and many Americans actually proudly boasted of that fact after the UN tried to get them to stop using it. Many Americans said "OH YEAH! YOU THINK YOU CAN TELL US WHAT TO DO! WELL, WE'RE GONNA MAKE EVEN MORE! SO THERE! IN.YOUR.FACE!!!!.

The Japanese aren't even really all that keen on Whaling. As I've said, the industry is dying. Without Government support, the industry would completely die. They sustain the industry, precisely because we tell them not to. They feel that their honour is being insulted and that they are being told to, like children, to stop something that they've been doing for ages.

Americans and Australians: You don't like being told, DEMANDED to stop things that others consider barbaric. Many Vegetarians and some Hindus believe that the Cattle Industry in Australia is similarly "barbaric". Many Australians would not like Indians ramming the ships transporting our cattle to Indonesia while chanting "SHAME, SHAME AUSTRALIA!", now would we?

The Japanese also believe there is a racial element to this: that they are being targeted because they are Asian. Frankly, I've seen some talk from the Captain of the Sea Shepherd himself that indicates that he does not like Japanese folk very much. His language and tone while specifically addressing the Japanese is NOT helpful.

The Australian government has ACTUALLY made some good strides in reducing the amount of whaling that is being carried out. It's certainly no where near the level that it was in the early 20th century. And we got that reduction by TALKING to the Japanese and reaching an agreement as equal nations. NOT by insulting them and screaming at them.

Frankly, I really do think that many of the Sea Shepherd's antics are designed more to bolster their own ego and sense of self-righteousness. They get a little noble thrill every time they harass the Japanese. For them, results don't matter. It's the THRILL, it's the NOBLE FEELING, it's the ANTICS that matter. They are more in it for their own smug sense of self-satisfaction than to make any real, tangible progress. And their tactics are dangerous, and getting more dangerous with every passing year.

The Australian Press ignores them now. Most animal welfare charities ignore them. The Japanese government doesn't listen to them, and the Australian people have long since grown tired of them. I know I have. I donate to the WWF. They are a good organization that often GET RESULTS, THROUGH HARD WORK. Not an organization dedicated to GRAND STANDING for the sake of ATTENTION and EGO, which is what the Sea Shepherd is.
 

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Henkie36 said:
So what do you think? Are the Japanese well with in their rights to kill the whales?
Technically. Unless someone is willing to tell these Japanese companies to stop pretending they are doing "research," which is responsibility of the International Whaling Conventions organization, the Japanese will continue their actions.

Henkie36 said:
Should Sea Sheperd do whatever they can to stop them?
Nope. To be blunt, the Sea Sheperd's actions fall within many definitions of terrorism.

Henkie36 said:
Or do you have a better solution?
I don't. Frankly, I know more than the average bear on this subject, but not enough to quality myself as a specialist. You are correct that the men whaling are getting pissed and endangered by these activists. With that said, whales should be managed in a sustainable way to benefit mankind, not just the monetary interests of a single nation.
 

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The Japanese aren't 'honest men trying to make a living'. Officially they're 'scientists harpooning hundreds of whales a year for "research purposes'. So no, no sympathy here for the whalers.
 

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As a whale, I feel whaling is wrong and whalers should be stopped by any means necessary.

It took me 5 hours to type this, as I am a whale.
 

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Rasmus Emilsson said:
Well, the asian countries whose economies are soaring upwards right now are becoming such fucking dumbheads it's not even fun. Killing rhinos for their horn because apparently you will get infinite erections from it etc. they are doing everything we in the west did, but then abolished because now we see how wrong it is. Why can't they learn from us?
Because they are right now in the same place economically and culturally as Western civilization was during it's period of industrial revolution, and during that time we spent over a century doing stuff that makes unsustainable whaling look tame. We are in no position to take the moral high ground. Yes, we moved on, but that doesn't make all the bad stuff we did just go away. So how are we going to look to them if we turn around and say you can only have an industrial revolution like we did so long as you tiptoe around all the issue we steamrolled over. We'd look like a huge buck of cunts imposing the biggest double standard history has ever seen. I'm against whaling sure, but I can't exactly call out the people of the Tiger economies for killing a whale when my country's wealth is built of shit like the slave trade, which is in a whole other league of wrong.
 

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Blablahb said:
usmarine4160 said:
The whaling ship was about 300 meters away, show me the rifle that can shoot accurately at that range and still not penetrate that flimsy vest.
More like 50-80 metres away. Just about the range at which handguns lose their effect and will definately be stopped by a light bullet resistant vest.

Oh, by the way, most ak47 immitations and poorly made 7.62 calibre rifles have about that much of a range limit. And by that time their rounds will be all over the place. How do you think it is that any Afghans are still alive despite of them spraying eachother with ak47 immitations all the time. ;-p
Uh, it would'nt matter if the the bullet was shot from a kalashnikov or a sports rifle, the ballistics are generally similar. The bullet weight and powder load is more important to consider, and at 70-100 yards, a 7.62x39mm is going to hit you harder than a Intoxicated UFC fighter at a "Your momma" convention. Also the vest he had didn't have a steel/ballistic plate in it, so that bullet would have gone through it like a knife through warm jello.
 

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i completely agree, that whales should be protected. But being an eco terrorist, is still being a terrorist. One of these days those guys are gonna get in DEEP shit that they cant get out of.

One of these days they'll get whats coming to them. There are better ways of going about protection of animals than ramming ships.

Edible Avatar said:
Blablahb said:
usmarine4160 said:
The whaling ship was about 300 meters away, show me the rifle that can shoot accurately at that range and still not penetrate that flimsy vest.
More like 50-80 metres away. Just about the range at which handguns lose their effect and will definately be stopped by a light bullet resistant vest.

Oh, by the way, most ak47 immitations and poorly made 7.62 calibre rifles have about that much of a range limit. And by that time their rounds will be all over the place. How do you think it is that any Afghans are still alive despite of them spraying eachother with ak47 immitations all the time. ;-p
Uh, it would'nt matter if the the bullet was shot from a kalashnikov or a sports rifle, the ballistics are generally similar. The bullet weight and powder load is more important to consider, and at 70-100 yards, a 7.62x39mm is going to hit you harder than a Intoxicated UFC fighter at a "Your momma" convention. Also the vest he had didn't have a steel/ballistic plate in it, so that bullet would have gone through it like a knife through warm jello.
Barrel length has a significant effect on velocity. Just as a note. Not really sure what this argument is about. haha
 

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Hitokiri_Gensai said:
Barrel length has a significant effect on velocity. Just as a note. Not really sure what this argument is about. haha
yes, but the argument implies a rifle. If the size difference was a few inches, there would be a noticable difference, but not insanely profound.

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Edible Avatar said:
Hitokiri_Gensai said:
Barrel length has a significant effect on velocity. Just as a note. Not really sure what this argument is about. haha
yes, but the argument implies a rifle. If the size difference was a few inches, there would be a noticable difference, but not insanely profound.

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I still dont know what the arguement is about, but yes. Then again is it a full size AK47/AKM or the improved AK74, or even something like an AKS-74U which is a 5.45 caliber "sub machine gun" rather than the 7.62x39 out of the AK.
 

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LarenzoAOG said:
(who apparently had tags to catch whales for scientific purposes, and I believe they offered to show them the papers)
Unless I'm mistaken, almost ALL of the whalers have those tags, it's the loophole that lets them keep doing it.

But yeah, they're doin it wrong tbh, I saw a documentary on the guy somewhere, and I can say for a fact that a few good snipers with .50's on those icebergs and you wouldn't have any trouble sinking those ships and easily getting away with it, or at least harassing them and getting away with it.
 

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Optiluiz said:
Whale meat is not special in any way,
You're fucking with me here, right? Whale meat is some of the most delicious meat I have ever tasted. That shit melts in your mouth and gives you total foodgasm.

OT: These Sea Shepards you speak of sound like real dicks. And from what I read in the op they are obviously going at it wrong. Not only does not whale = no money, but putting fishing net into the propellers can destroy the propeller or worse, make it overheat and catch on fire.
 

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RanD00M said:
Optiluiz said:
Whale meat is not special in any way,
You're fucking with me here, right? Whale meat is some of the most delicious meat I have ever tasted. That shit melts in your mouth and gives you total foodgasm.

OT: These Sea Shepards you speak of sound like real dicks. And from what I read in the op they are obviously going at it wrong. Not only does not whale = no money, but putting fishing net into the propellers can destroy the propeller or worse, make it overheat and catch on fire.
Really? No joke, but I was told by someone who tried it that it was tough and gamey. Perhaps he had a different kind...
 

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CM156 said:
Really? No joke, but I was told by someone who tried it that it was tough and gamey. Perhaps he had a different kind...
The kind that I eat is soft and quite nice. As I said, melts in your mouth.
 

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RanD00M said:
CM156 said:
Really? No joke, but I was told by someone who tried it that it was tough and gamey. Perhaps he had a different kind...
The kind that I eat is soft and quite nice. As I said, melts in your mouth.
I assume it's legal to do so where you reside, correct? I don't think it is in the states

OT: If you have to resort to violence to get your point across, I question your point in the first place.