Seatbelt on, cigarettes out.
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Dunno about you but the apartment I live in is stuffed with smoke detectors, so smoking indoors is impossible .... all indoor places should have smoke detectors so that it is impossible to smoke indoors.Kaytastrophe said:
Needless to say, since this is an apartment building, fiddling with any of the smoke detectors is illegal, and either way, who in their right mind would.
EDIT: sorry forgot to mention: Being exposed to smoke for a few years probably wouldn't do enough harm to be noticeable, but if you have been inhaling smoke for several years it is doubtful that your lungs are as healthy as they can be. The problem with smoking and lung disease is that the diseases are so insidious that by the time you do actually develop symptoms, its usually too late to do anything about it.
smoking shouldn't be made completely illegal, that's silly tobacco is a huge monetary gain for the Canadian government I mean how else are we going to pay for free health care?
but an outright ban on cigarettes wouldn't and couldn't happen overnight, I'd be willing to bet penny's to peso's that if such a ban were to be implemented it would take YEARS to work itself out.
I'm a considerate smoker not lighting up when around kids or people with health conditions are near. so why should a smoker like me be punished because parent's can't wait to have a smoke?
but that law about smoking in your car with kids has been in Canada for a little bit now, makes sense to me since kids are extremely vulnerable to second hand smoke.
but an outright ban on cigarettes wouldn't and couldn't happen overnight, I'd be willing to bet penny's to peso's that if such a ban were to be implemented it would take YEARS to work itself out.
I'm a considerate smoker not lighting up when around kids or people with health conditions are near. so why should a smoker like me be punished because parent's can't wait to have a smoke?
but that law about smoking in your car with kids has been in Canada for a little bit now, makes sense to me since kids are extremely vulnerable to second hand smoke.
In theory, I'm all for a ban on smoking. I'm asthmatic, so yeah, I'm probably slightly biased too, but there are zero positive effects and a whole host of negatives.
But banning it outright, wouldn't work. I like the progress that's been made over the years, raising the minimum age, banning it in buildings, etc. If they were to ban it in all public places, indoor and out, and ban it around children, I'd be happy to let it go at that. That way, if people really want to kill themselves, they're not harming anyone but themselves.
But banning it outright, wouldn't work. I like the progress that's been made over the years, raising the minimum age, banning it in buildings, etc. If they were to ban it in all public places, indoor and out, and ban it around children, I'd be happy to let it go at that. That way, if people really want to kill themselves, they're not harming anyone but themselves.
I think the OP was just trying to avoid the arguments about decriminalising marijuana and keep the thread specifically on the topic of banning cigarettes.HentMas said:
OT: I hate smoking, I think that anyone who stated smoking with the knowledge of the damage it would do to them is fucking bonkers.
I'm not going to hop on a soap box and have a go at people in their 40's who grew up in a time when smoking was said to be good for you, but if you're 16 and smoke you are, in a word, stupid.
I smoked half a cigarette once, I won't lie. It wasn't fun, it had no positives and the only thing that they offer is sating a desire, which really isn't much of a trade off for your health if you can avoid them which stops the development of a desire.
In Australia it's illegal to smoke in plenty of places or within a certain distance of the entrances to places, you can't smoke within like 5 metres of the entrance to airports, train stations, anywhere that serves food, shopping centres etc.
There's no such thing as "smoking area" at restaurants either.
I think these laws are good, smoking is still perfectly legal, but you can't do it inside of buildings or near entrances either.
That being said, I fucking hate people who sit in designated smoking areas and then complain about smoke. That's fucking rude.
Yeah, those nuns need to keep their soiled head wear away from me. EDIT: Fuck, that's incorrect too. Oh well. My bad joke is still fun.Veldie said:
Indifferent, personally. Buuut I will say that smoking gets no sympathy from me. I despise being around cigarette smoke, and luckily no one in my general vicinity does smoke.
Veldie said:
I'd be willing to bet that instead of politely asking someone to put their cigarette out after they light up because it bothers your nose you either
A) scoff and give them a nasty look or
B) bite their heads off in a suitably inappropriate fashion
I'm not opposed to preventing smoking in a car with kids at the very least in winter when you can't have the windows down cause its COLD. Although it's not exactly something enforceable and falls under the same category as seatbelts and cellphones for me: a cash grab, you can't get a ticket unless you got pulled over for doing something wrong anyway (speeding, swerving about like a drunk etc etc) so they figure might aswell tack as many tertiary tickets as possible onto it to get more money.
That said I am a smoker and if asked politely I will either mover further away from someone to allow the smoke to disperse or simply put it out and smoke it later.
well smoking in a car is basically hotboxing except nobody gets high, just cancer eventually. i cant really say 'no smoking' because i'm pro-weed and that would make me a bit hypocritical (similar thing, different plant) but smoking in a car should be illegal. the driver could start coughing and then there could be a crash.
I wouldn't mind an outright ban. I'm not passionate about the issue, but from my standpoint its annoying habit that is addictive and deadly with no benefits. The problem with a "just not in public places" law is that smokers will still bother me in not public places. I can't tell you how many parties I've been to that my asthmatic friends have had to leave because of smokers. Hell, even some of my non-asthmatic friends have problems with cigarette smoke... they get headaches from it. I've thrown parties where a smoker will go outside and it'll waft in through the windows and give my friends headaches to the point of having to go home.
The way I see it, they should start a law that bans the use and sale of tobacco to anyone born after the year 1993. That way, the people currently addicted can keep smoking without complaint and eventually smoking will be phased out. I'm sure the tobacco companies wouldn't be happy with that though XD
The way I see it, they should start a law that bans the use and sale of tobacco to anyone born after the year 1993. That way, the people currently addicted can keep smoking without complaint and eventually smoking will be phased out. I'm sure the tobacco companies wouldn't be happy with that though XD
That's only if the windows are up, hell even as a smoker I hate the way a car fills up with tobacco smoke (weed smoke smells and tastes better imo) so when I'm driving I have my windows down anyways.TrilbyWill said:
And as for the cancer statement everyone is making about second hand smoke, according to the state of california using a microwave on microwave safe plastic can give you cancer if done regularly over a considerable period of time, being exposed to UV radiation (better known as NATRUAL SUNLIGHT) is known to cause cancer over long periods of time.
Really the last thing (and I thought this even before I started smoking last year) you should be worried about is cancer from second hand smoke, the only thing I was worried about is how annoying it is to breathe in that smoke especially when that little trail right from the tip drifts into your eyes (and this one still bugs me dammit) it can be really annoying.
As someone who smoked for roughly 15 years and has since quit This seems bad. However my position is based in the fact that I typically support freedom. I do not see it being right to tell someone what they are allowed to do within their own property with their own property.
It baffles me why people want their governments to regulate every little aspect of their existence. It also baffles me how people feel compelled to ***** and moan at someone else exerting their freedoms
It baffles me why people want their governments to regulate every little aspect of their existence. It also baffles me how people feel compelled to ***** and moan at someone else exerting their freedoms
i was just using that as an example of how you dont get the benefits of hotboxing, just the negatives. and not many people would open a window if it was cold, and theres still the chance the smoke could go towards the driver and get them coughing. smoking anything, unless you use a bong etc, is bad when there are a bunch of other people nearby.Ytinasni said:
just yesterday i saw a lady doing 60mph in a 40mph zone. she had her hands OFF THE WHEEL, and was lighting a cigarette with her head down and eyes off the road. yeah smoking in cars is lot a good thing, just like texting, talking on the phone, and any other distracting activity behind the wheel.Cyanin said:
I was kind of just giving an example with the apartment scenario, replace it with a small house or whatever. Essentially I am saying if you ban smoking in cars because of second hand smoke then what is to stop governments from banning smoking in your house. And if your going to ban smoking almost everywhere because of its health risks why not just ban smoking. All I am saying is that government regulations regarding smoking is a case of the right hand not talking to the left. On the one hand they try and limit where people smoke and such because of health risks but at the same time they would never in reality ban the production and selling of cigarettes. I am completely indifferent about the issue as it no longer effects me but I am torn because I hate government involvement in people's personal lives though I am aware of the danger of second hand smoke.Sougo said:
Where do you get off, sitting around calling an entire group of people stupid, when you haven't even taken the time to try and understand their decision? Hell, you clearly don't even understand what the affects of nicotine are.StBishop said:
I'm not going to try and advocate smoking here, but who the hell are you to call me stupid because I'm 21 and smoke? Have you ever considered that I might've taken the time to think about it, and that I might actually have some reasons for doing it? Could it be the fact that after a lifetime dealing with allergies (which no medicine I had ever come across helped to fix) I finally found myself free of the need to have something with which to wipe snot off my face all the time? I usually only smoke one cigarette a day, and that little roll of tobacco is infinitely more affective than any allergy medication I've ever come across.
Maybe it's the mood boost I get on my way to work. You know where I have the misfortune to work? Walmart! You want to work at Walmart?!? I didn't fucking think so. The attitude that you take into that store when you go in can change the rest of your day. If I go in happy, feeling pumped and ready to tackle whatever the day throws at me, that can last long after the nicotine has worn off because I have good customer relations and they keep me upbeat. But if I go in there feeling like shit to start with, I'm going to have bad customer relations, and our customers (most of whom are miserable assholes to start with) are just going to make my day worse as a result. Getting that nic buzz on the way to work makes a big difference between me being happy at a job most people hate, or joining everyone else in the mire of human misery that is Walmart employment.
What about days off, where I go over to my friend's house. We have a couple beers, and sit around on his balcony, having a smoke, talking, enjoying life. You know how good it is to sit out there, talking with my friend while that potent combination of alcohol and nicotine soothes my soul? There's more to life than just surviving, if all you're doing is surviving it then you're already dead. I want to enjoy it, and sitting out on that balcony, one of my favorite places in the world, nicotine helps me enjoy my life.
So who the fuck are you to judge me and call me stupid? Do I know that I trade away minutes of my life every time I light up? How the hell could I not? I've been hearing it since I was a kid. And I choose to anyways, not because I'm stupid, but because I thought long and hard and decided that to me the trade was worth it. That doesn't mean that you have to smoke, but maybe next time before you open your mouth and go off on a group of people you don't even know, you should take a moment and ask yourself if you actually know what you're talking about?
Its just an issue that has come up in my country several times and its very relevant to my case because the political party that haves being banning smoking in several places is also fighting to legalize marijuana... but I wont go into detail because we are talking about something else hereStBishop said:
I agree with everything you stated, its common sense, here the "no smoking" policy started only 3 years ago (or less), and its spreading like wildfire in the country, I don´t particularly enjoy people looking at me in disgust while I am smoking in my smoking area, I mean we are already several yards away from public transit but I find it unbearable that some people still have the nerve to get close and be angry at us.
smoking in a restaurant? only if its completely separated by a wall and in an open space, smoking in designated areas? I find it OK as long as there are enough areas for me to smoke (which there are) in the airport? there shouldn´t even be "smoking zones" in there, its an international entrance and I would hate people coming to my country and being nauseated by the smell, bars and other places like that?? well... I am reluctant because drinking and smoking often go hand in hand, but I wouldn´t mind if there were non smoker areas like the restaurant, hell I would even go to one with my non smoking friends... but its extremely hard to find a non smoking bar here in Mexico, I think someone should try and make one... but as almost everyone of drinking age smokes, the customers would not stay for long.
and if I am at a family gathering or a private party I always ask if its "OK" for me to light up my smoke, its common courtesy, and I am glad I do that because my best friend girlfriend (the girlfriend of my best friend, did I worded that correctly?) could die if she breaths that crap (something about a violent allergic reaction) I never smoke when I am in a party or any closed place with her.