...If it reads heat and pupil size as indicators...What if one is high while passing though said checkpoint?
Security Tech of the Future Like Minority Report
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I'm not paranoid about it or anything. It sounds like a good enough idea on paper (electrons?) but I can see where there might be problems. For instance, security checkpoints and large crowds make me nervous as a guy on a blind date discovering Chris Hansen on the other side of the door. I'd be a false positive every time.
And I'm curious as to whether someone with malicious intent can "beat" the machine through some mad yogi skillz or pharmaceutical assistance.
And I'm curious as to whether someone with malicious intent can "beat" the machine through some mad yogi skillz or pharmaceutical assistance.
^Yep and TSA is still crap, it pisses me off whenever we fly(alot cause we are nonrev) and they pull aside my sisters <ten years old and do the whole pat down thing. Which is ridiculous because we are a nicely dressed family(nonrev requirement) Also apparently one of our names is on the terrorist watch list so it's always an issue when getting tickets(they also wont tell us which name it is so we can fix it). Gah I hate TSA.
The pat down and random bag searches are a pain and a invasion of privacy enough. Screw this machine thing.
The pat down and random bag searches are a pain and a invasion of privacy enough. Screw this machine thing.
This process seems to think that humans have no inhibitions to committing the crimes we think of. That's the biggest worry; it doesn't differentiate between someone's thought and whether or not they actually plan to carry it out... which'll lead to a lot more people, many innocent, in prison.Samurai Goomba said:
Give a technology like this to a corporation or a government, and they WILL abuse it. Period. History has proven, time and again, that governments can not be trusted to exercise restraint when dealing with anything that will enhance their power. This is just the kind of thing that really could spark real rebellion.
If it takes two indicators (which the article doesn't say it does or doesn't) then even if you were planning on doing something it would always read "Safe" because chances are you realize you have malicious intent before going through phase 2.CantFaketheFunk said:
Took the words right out of my mouth.stompy said:
I'm a wee bit crazy when I have to wake up at 6:00 A.M. for a six hour flight across the country in a tiny aircraft. I'd get caught for nothing every single time.
Statistically, actual hijackers are a drop of water amid an ocean of ordinary travellers. Even if this thing is 99.9% accurate, thousands of people will be misidentified daily, and the higher the false positive rate, the easier it is for the one real threat to slip by; if every flagged person is a false positive, then that's what security will be expecting - another false positive. And that's IF the automated thing even notices the one real terrorist.
More likely, the guy who wants to blow up a plane would have been prepared for the system, trained to control his pulse, breathing, stress levels etc, and pass through like every other ordinary passenger. There really is no way in hell that this thing would help... pure security theatre, or the thin end of a wedge to get us to accept more monitoring everywhere else.
Hell, who even says terrorists are trying to hijack planes any more? They did that one time, and then the security went batshit for a while, I know I wouldn't choose it as the follow up attack method (for one thing no-one's going to sit by while you hijack their plane any more - before 9/11 people expected to survive that kind of thing if they kept quiet, now they'll be a little more motivated to stop you)
More likely, the guy who wants to blow up a plane would have been prepared for the system, trained to control his pulse, breathing, stress levels etc, and pass through like every other ordinary passenger. There really is no way in hell that this thing would help... pure security theatre, or the thin end of a wedge to get us to accept more monitoring everywhere else.
Hell, who even says terrorists are trying to hijack planes any more? They did that one time, and then the security went batshit for a while, I know I wouldn't choose it as the follow up attack method (for one thing no-one's going to sit by while you hijack their plane any more - before 9/11 people expected to survive that kind of thing if they kept quiet, now they'll be a little more motivated to stop you)
Using drugs is illegal, mind you. One should not board a plane while high on something. Word.Bored Tomatoe said:
And if it's medical stuff, you should have documents proving that.
Not really. This machine only measures your bodily functions from outside, it's not EEG, MRI or anything like it. As it has been said, it's a new version of the good ol' lie detector.
I really question the usefulness of such machine. How about paranoid or other mentally ill people? Their reactions could cause problems. Also, who REALLY want to get through that machine, can learn to control these bodily functions through training. Buddhist monks can do it, for example.
I'm not convinced. This technology is not against bad people... it's for population control. That machine does not discriminate, it does scan EVERYONE, not just the bad guys, and it's scanning YOU not your luggage or your clothes.
I wonder who is it good for? Us, or the people now knowing exactly what mental state we are in... hmm...
EDIT: BTW, this is my 100th post. Yay! Go me! \o/
I know that it is Illegal, I was just imagining a confused pot-head being brutally beaten and arrested in an airport.Playbahnosh said:
Wow.
More baffling than this are the people who say stuff like "I'm quite happy for them to know what i'm doing if it means there's less chance I get blown up"
WELL DONE - YOU'VE BEEN TAKEN. That's exactly the kind of attitude these governments are relying on to get all their BS in place. Then before you know it you're getting charged $5 every time you jerk off IN YOUR OWN HOUSE.
Also, any of these people who are going on about "high" people ever been high? Obviously not. NOTE TO FBI: I am not in any way admitting that I have been high, before you come knocking the door down.
More baffling than this are the people who say stuff like "I'm quite happy for them to know what i'm doing if it means there's less chance I get blown up"
WELL DONE - YOU'VE BEEN TAKEN. That's exactly the kind of attitude these governments are relying on to get all their BS in place. Then before you know it you're getting charged $5 every time you jerk off IN YOUR OWN HOUSE.
Also, any of these people who are going on about "high" people ever been high? Obviously not. NOTE TO FBI: I am not in any way admitting that I have been high, before you come knocking the door down.
Except here it's not. And that still leaves plenty of other reasons for possible false positives (bit of drinking, eye irritation etc). There's a reason lie detectors don't hold up in court and this little machine can sit right next to it on the 'nice idea, but an utter waste of time and money in reality bench'.Playbahnosh said:
So on everything else you said, QFT
England will be the first to use it, they are already at the forefront of big brother:
20 - per cent of all the world's CCTV cameras are in the UK
300 - number of times a day the average Londoner is caught on CCTV
1 - UK's position in the global league table for ratio of CCTV cameras to people
12 - number of people per CCTV camera in Britain
0 - percentage improvement in police detection rates of violent offences with CCTV
http://www.newstatesman.com/200610020022
20 - per cent of all the world's CCTV cameras are in the UK
300 - number of times a day the average Londoner is caught on CCTV
1 - UK's position in the global league table for ratio of CCTV cameras to people
12 - number of people per CCTV camera in Britain
0 - percentage improvement in police detection rates of violent offences with CCTV
http://www.newstatesman.com/200610020022
EPIC FAIL!Nurb said:
Seriously, if somebody fails to identify these as population control methods, they should lock themselves in their houses and never come out. Brighter than the Sun, these things are not for our security. It's population control. Duh.
Anyone read Orwell's 1984?