Sega planning New Console?

[Puppeteer Putin]

Sega recently trademarked two names and a logo for use in Europe and the US. The names are Ringedge and Ringwide, and a logo with rings (shown below).

The trademark states that the names will be used for "arcade game boards...stand alone video game machines, [or] arcade game machines with built-in screens".

Don Reisinger of Digital Home proposed that Sega's in fact not building new arcade machines but begun development on a new console. He says that arcade gaming is no longer a viable business option and would make little sense to begin building machines when the market is clearly geared to home consoled.

What do you reckon? Is Sega pulling a fast one on us, announcing it's next Gen console? Or are they really going to build arcade machines instead? Are there too many competitors already? Would the plans come to fruition given current market conditions? Is it a good idea for them to re-enter the console wars?

I say, why the hell not. Diversity never hurt anyone and Sega's strengths for console development are still well-known. Many still show their fanaticism for Sega console and franchises past.

Found: http://www.n4g.com/industrynews/News-274621.aspx
Don Rieslinger: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-10158267-17.html?tag=rtcol;pop
Original Article: http://www.siliconera.com/2009/02/04/sega-building-new-arcade-hardware/

 

[Dhell]

the Sega Dreamcast failed this one might as well but big ups for them for trying though

 

[CrafterMan]

What do you reckon? Is Sony pulling a fast one on us

Sorry did you mean Sega there?

I hope Sega bring out a new console, I would love to see their new ideas. Thank you OP for the interesting reads!

 

[Puppeteer Putin]

What do you reckon? Is Sony pulling a fast one on us

Sorry did you mean Sega there?

I hope Sega bring out a new console, I would love to see their new ideas. Thank you OP for the interesting reads!

No Thank you for correcting me. Probably saved me from a lot of flame.

Am I the only one who thinks that logo looks like the Sony Ericsson one?

No you are not. I thought the same thing.

 

[Squarewave]

Sega has made arcade hardware for a long time now
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_Titan_Video#Sega_ST-V

 

[LesIsMore]

Oh yes, after such victories as the Dreamcast, Sega CD and 32X, not to mention the established longevity of Sonic the Hedgehog, I'm sure Sega is primed to make a comeback and claw away at the Holy Trinity of current gen consoles.

There isn't a way to appropriately express my level of sarcasm so I've just typed it. Seriously, they're going to try this? I'm not going to stand in their way, but the only decent thing Sega's released in the last decade was Condemned: Criminal Origins, and they screwed the pooch on that with the sequel's absurd plot. This has "commercial disappointment" written all over it.

 

[NickCaligo42]

Well, it's a hell of a fight to lose. I don't see how Sega could pull it off. They'd have to attract developers to make games for it before they could sell it, and entering this contest late when so many homes are seeded with all the other consoles is more than a little absurd. True enough they've got their own library to draw from but most of their properties from the post-Dreamcast era have been gaming's equivalent of Joel Schumaker's Batman and Robin and there's very little reason to think any future games from them will come out differently. Speaking of which, does anyone else notice Bayonetta's resemblance to that movie's rendition of Poison Ivy, right down to the grossly unappealing hairstyle and terrible fashion sense? I'm sure this isn't a coincidence. But I digress. The point is that it wouldn't just need a killer app, it'd need THE killer app, which isn't likely going to come out of Sega.

 

[EzraPound]

I'm not going to stand in their way, but the only decent thing Sega's released in the last decade was Condemned: Criminal Origins, and they screwed the pooch on that with the sequel's absurd plot. This has "commercial disappointment" written all over it.

Yes; Virtua Cop 3, Shenmue I + II, Panzer Dragoon Orta, the Jet Set Radio series - what "shitty" games.

 

[SnowCold]

This is going to be intresting...

 

[Spleeni]

Excuse me, I think I'll stand off here to the side, laughing my ass off.

Carry on.

 

[curlycrouton]

I'm not going to stand in their way, but the only decent thing Sega's released in the last decade was Condemned: Criminal Origins, and they screwed the pooch on that with the sequel's absurd plot. This has "commercial disappointment" written all over it.

Yes; Virtua Cop 3, Shenmue I + II, Panzer Dragoon Orta, the Jet Set Radio series - what "shitty" games.

Same with Valkyria Chronicles, Yakuza 1, 2 and Kenzam!, and Lost on the Island of Spice

Who could forget The House.....Of The Dead? Best rail shooter ever made.

 

[nathan-dts]

I'm not going to stand in their way, but the only decent thing Sega's released in the last decade was Condemned: Criminal Origins, and they screwed the pooch on that with the sequel's absurd plot. This has "commercial disappointment" written all over it.

Yes; Virtua Cop 3, Shenmue I + II, Panzer Dragoon Orta, the Jet Set Radio series - what "shitty" games.

Same with Valkyria Chronicles, Yakuza 1, 2 and Kenzam!, and Lost on the Island of Spice

Yakuza 3 has been released (granted just in Japan but still).

Edit: Sega Rally series and the Outrun series.

 

[nathan-dts]

I'm not going to stand in their way, but the only decent thing Sega's released in the last decade was Condemned: Criminal Origins, and they screwed the pooch on that with the sequel's absurd plot. This has "commercial disappointment" written all over it.

Yes; Virtua Cop 3, Shenmue I + II, Panzer Dragoon Orta, the Jet Set Radio series - what "shitty" games.

Same with Valkyria Chronicles, Yakuza 1, 2 and Kenzam!, and Lost on the Island of Spice

Yakuza 3 has been released (granted just in Japan but still).

Oh, I thought it was on the 20th

Well after a little searcing it seems we were both wrong. It's the 26th.

 

[ZippyDSMlee]

The Starun failed mostly due to bad dev support, the DC did better than the GC but sega could no longer afford to support it outside of japan.


I go over some ideas here
http://forums.theeca.com/showthread.php?t=5548

"Sega simply dose not have what it take to re build a hardware franchise, if they brought new blood in and focused on strict qaulity focused their game franchises on their system for the first 12 months then release a "final edition" or directors cut(if that's not a over used word) of the same title about 16 months later, akin to what Square dose in a more limited way, they just may could rebuild their hardware empire.

IMO exclusivity is a double edged sword that cuts itself more than anything else it must be used to focus sales in a limited time frame, instead of releasing a greatest hits version of the title after a yea or 2 release a more polished and finished title and re serge sales one last time before writing the game off, this can be done if you focus on your console first and then use the extras and polish placed in them to re release the game on your system as the final and best version.

Hell Build a portable unit that uses the console as a base unit to access your online account and games from any wifi/lan point, when "pluged in" to the console it can connect to its hardware and play games on TV and sue the consoles peripherals.

Drive portable sales with medicorely good games that are developed with the bigger sibling title you can do classic sprite based and 3D rips of the console title.


I mean with focus and effort it could be done however unlikely it may be. "

 

[ZippyDSMlee]

Hell Build a portable unit that uses the console as a base unit to access your online account and games from any wifi/lan point, when "pluged in" to the console it can connect to its hardware and play games on TV and sue the consoles peripherals.

Isn't that the Ps3?

In a sense refine the features and connectivity of the portable as so you can sale games directly to it, even have console games run features through it like menus and maps.

But the connectivity the PSP has with the PS3 is somewhat limited in scope.

This would be a bit more like the VC on the DS with more PSP media and control features.
One could sale the console with the portable in limited amounts at a 20-50% price reductions to drive software sales.


Though IMO its more important to how you deal with the software the main console games, focus their starting release on your console, then release the port months later with a final refined version with etras from the ports and more polish work in it after that.

Of coarse with DLC you might not need to release it on disc but the point is you do more than release a game and forget about it.

 

[mooncalf]

The more the merrier.
The real question is, will it have an Alex the Kid game built-in? *cackles*

 

[ZippyDSMlee]

Hell Build a portable unit that uses the console as a base unit to access your online account and games from any wifi/lan point, when "pluged in" to the console it can connect to its hardware and play games on TV and sue the consoles peripherals.

Isn't that the Ps3?

In a sense refine the features and connectivity of the portable as so you can sale games directly to it, even have console games run features through it like menus and maps.

But the connectivity the PSP has with the PS3 is somewhat limited in scope.

This would be a bit more like the VC on the DS with more PSP media and control features.
One could sale the console with the portable in limited amounts at a 20-50% price reductions to drive software sales.


Though IMO its more important to how you deal with the software the main console games, focus their starting release on your console, then release the port months later with a final refined version with etras from the ports and more polish work in it after that.

Of coarse with DLC you might not need to release it on disc but the point is you do more than release a game and forget about it.

Nintendo already did the handheld-to-console capability for maps and other stuff. Does no one else remember the GBA-GC link cable? I remember using it for Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles.

Also, it failed.
It's not a very good concept.

Just because something is under utilized dose not mean it failed, not to mention most of the games required you to buy a portable game to get anything from it, there are licensing issues in using such things as well, they need to open up the process a bit more.

This would be a feature that can be run from the game in the consul to the empty handheld, you can check the menu to change stuff or the map in the game or you have a map and quick menu on the hand held, and if you build the handheld with dual analog nubs and the right number of buttons you can play the game on the handheld and have the map and such show on the heldhand while the game itself is on the TV screen.

MP shooters and racing games of all kinds could have a rear view mirrors or a 3rd person view in the handheld, there is so much that could be done and made useful.

 

[iamnotincompliance]

Many still show their fanaticism for Sega console and franchises past.

And just what do you mean by... oh, wait [ looks left ] touche.

Okay, I confess, I still love my old sandwich-sized Genesis III, to the point I'm looking for new controllers due to mine having given up the ghost a while back, and even I think Sega's console days are behind it. Even if the market weren't neatly covered with Wii appealing to the average Joe*, the 360 for average Joe gamer*, and the PS3 for those who desire power no matter what the cost*, I simply don't see where Sega could hope to break in.

[EDIT] Meant to hit preview. More typing may follow.

Now where was I before I was so rudely interrupted by my own not paying attention? Oh, yes, that's not to say Sega can't break in with, say, a Wii-type box not beholden to gimmicky bullshit* or a PS3-like affair with the graphical horsepower to actually back up something like the Cell* (somehow, I envision the latter even though the former is more likely to succeed), but I still don't see what the point would be.

I'm pretty sure I still have a point, but frankly it's almost 5:30 in the morning and my brain's shot (as if that wasn't apparent). So if I ever figure out where the hell I was going with this, I'll be back.

*[sup]your stereotyped views on the current console generation may vary[/sup]

 

[asam92]

Now that people keep brining up the hand helds, maybe thats the direction Sega should go in?
However I think even then they will still fail miserably, but at least it is one less competitor. (unless microsoft is brining out XHand or sumtin (sorry about that couldt think of a good name))

 

[thebigtw]

How many more times does Sega need to categorically state that they will never make another home console before these threads stop popping up all over the internet like venereal sores?