Sequelitis cured

[zehydra]

every generation of pokemon after red and green

No, my good sir, I think you got it backwards, they got worse with every step after Gold/Silver

how?

A number of things. One of them being the adding of attributes that are unique to the pokemon but not the type. For instance, the power "levitate", which nullified ground attacks, even though ground attacks should've been good against that pokemon.

That kind of gameplay forces the player to go out and memorize all of the "exceptions to the rule".

The combat system was also tweaked in this manner in the newer games:

"Physical or Special attack; but starting in Diamond and Pearl, each attacking move is classified as Physical or Special based on how it appears, and not strictly to its type" - From Wikipedia.

 

[SinisterGehe]

'Scuse my ignorance, internet, but I must know this: is Team Fortress 2 better than Team Fortress 1?

Hmm... Kung fu Panda 2 was as good as the original.

[small]Stop looking at me like that.[/small]

Well to be honest, TF1 Was just bad. TFC was extremely good, all the adventure maps and things that people haven't even though of in TF2, due to it simplicity CTF had custom maps and mods that basically did everything from left to right conc_, ent_, adv_, fun_... Man I miss those maps. I say TF2 is also a extremely good game, but I think due to its complexity, it will never reach the same kind of success in custom maps than CTF did, but the core mechanics and meta-gameplay is far superior to CTF. CTF had only Capture the flag, rush mode and the mutant form on conquer with flag (officially, custom maps did much more). And TF2 has more map style than I can list here.

But anyway.

I choose... Starcraft 2. The game is much more user-friendly and has more visual feedback to the player, allowing even the beginners to get in to the game easily and even the medicore players can succeed in their own leagues, to the worrying trend of "plz Bliz make this game more casual friendly it is too hard to build pylons! PLZOKTHXBAI" amongst the lower league casuals. Compared to brood wars, even tho it was amazing game, it wasn't that inviting to the new players.

And another would be:

Battle.Net 2, way superior to the Battle.net 1, in every aspect.

 

[Talydia]

The Star Trek movies really screw with this rule

BUT
Wrath of Khan > The Motion Picture

 

[Drunkern_Hobo]

Grand theft auto.....meh
Grand Theft Auto 2......meh
Grand Theft Auto 3...Fresh pair of pants please! i think i ruined these!

 

[SD-Fiend]

every generation of pokemon after red and green

No, my good sir, I think you got it backwards, they got worse with every step after Gold/Silver

how?

A number of things. One of them being the adding of attributes that are unique to the pokemon but not the type. For instance, the power "levitate", which nullified ground attacks, even though ground attacks should've been good against that pokemon.

That kind of gameplay forces the player to go out and memorize all of the "exceptions to the rule".

The combat system was also tweaked in this manner in the newer games:

"Physical or Special attack; but starting in Diamond and Pearl, each attacking move is classified as Physical or Special based on how it appears, and not strictly to its type" - From Wikipedia.

so it's bad because you have to think harder? and before this goes any further here is a video I'm dying to use:

 

[Wintermoot]

Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal is waaaaaay better then R/B/Y
I found R/S/E felt small in comparison

 

[thiosk]

Hum, i thought this thread would be about a recent medical discovery.

I guess I'll have to wait until Splice 2, 3, or maybe even 4 to hear about it.

 

[The-Bad-Blooded]

"Jak 2" was better than "Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy"
but that was because nobody expected it to make such a dramatic shift in tone and gameplay... and difficulty...
damn... that was GREAT!
everybody must now play Jak 2.

 

[Vault101]

*flamesheild*

seaquels are bad because Yahtzee said so! now let us pray at the yahtzee alter!

also Liking seaquels also means your tastes are no longer supeior to everyone elses

ah ok in all seriousness some of my favorite games are seaquels

 

[SinisterGehe]

I choose... Starcraft 2. The game is much more user-friendly and has more visual feedback to the player, allowing even the beginners to get in to the game easily and even the medicore players can succeed in their own leagues, to the worrying trend of "plz Bliz make this game more casual friendly it is too hard to build pylons! PLZOKTHXBAI" amongst the lower league casuals. Compared to brood wars, even tho it was amazing game, it wasn't that inviting to the new players.

And another would be:

Battle.Net 2, way superior to the Battle.net 1, in every aspect.

Since you choose the weirdest reason for picking SC2 not having sequelitis, that being user-friendliness, I'll just ignore it, even though it makes it seem really easy for a game not to have sequelitis in your eyes. Completely nothing to do with the gameplay or the story of its predecessor.

Now, on Battle.net 2, I have to assume you haven't played the game at all besides doing some laddering. Seriously, better in every aspect? Are you fucking kidding me? Battle.net 2 is so riddled with ridiculously bad design choices motivated by greed and incompetence, the biggest Blizzard fanboy I've ever seen in my entire life has to admit it. I would point to the post, but I'm not sure it isn't against the rules. Suffice to say it's one of the contributors on this site.

Dude, the Battle.Net 1 was horrible creation, it lacked any protection, it worked a separated enitity between games, there was only Diablo servers, There was only warcraft hub, There was only SC hub. Hell WoW wasn't even on the Battle.Net until they started to prepare for SC2 release, Battle.Net didn't deserve the .net, it wasn't a network it was just few hubs under one name. Granted BN2 has also problems, but atleast it serves as a contact hub and a mean to connect the fanbases of different games under one "name" there is no longer "SC2 network" or "Diablo Hub" or World Of Warcraft, there is only Battle.Net... Of cthis brings other issues.

I don't even ladder in SC2 so stfu, and stop accusing me about anything without first knowing me...
I am currently workin on finishing all the achievments in hard mode thank you, and I am only missing a few on the Protoss missions and the very last maps.
I do not comment on Lore when it comes to blizzard games since I love the lore as a single being, I do not think that SC2 lore is better than SC1, it is one single enitity of Starcraft. SO what is there left in a game when you take the lore out of the equation? Well game mechanics.

I think you are accusing of me being a fanboy, no I am far from it. I hate some decision blizzard does and try to drive the curtve of their games to something else, but never the less I have still enjoyedevery single title they have released and I have played. I think you are being a hater here.

I haven't had any issues with Bnet. EVER! It has always filled it function, I have never been hacked in blizzards services, when I have required help I have gotten it fast and with professional care. Are you saying I shouldn't like a company which products and service I enjoy?

If you are unable to respect other people's opinions, I would kindly ask you to fuck off from this site and never come back. Far as I know this mean to be a site for discussion and for sharing of ideas and far as I see it, you are not sharing ideas, you are pushing ideas - everyone must agree with you in order to be "right". Sir, go back to 4chan.

 

[Beryl77]

For me, the best example is Half-Life 2. I like both games but I think that hl2 is better than hl1. I prefer the gameplay, obviously the graphics have improved, the characters are much better and I like the story and atmosphere more in hl2.

 

[franconbean]

'Scuse my ignorance, internet, but I must know this: is Team Fortress 2 better than Team Fortress 1?

Hmm... Kung fu Panda 2 was as good as the original.

[small]Stop looking at me like that.[/small]

TF 1 was a Halflife mod. Valve (as they seem to do alot these days) cashed in and made the sequel. It has a lot more polish and style. I reckon its better.

Now then: The Total war series is one that has gone from strength to strength. Purists claim that Rome was the series' peak, but i will maintain that they are just looking at it chronologically, given the massive leap forward it was from Medieval and the comparative "meh" that was Medieval 2 (the cavalry AI and pathing was terribad).

And on pokemon... Yeah, i enjoyed the series and agree that each game was a step forward in some way, but it kinda looked from the outside like they were scraping the bottom of the barrel a bit with Black and White.
One day, you will run out of Colours, emotions, abstract nouns and elements of the periodic table, Ninty. xD.

 

[BSCCollateral]

Infamous 2 is a better game than Infamous 1, although I like them both.

X-Blades 2 is much better than X-Blades, because it doesn't exist.

 

[Phlakes]

-Goldfinger (only Bond film that really feels perfect)

And then Casino Royale for everything after Goldfinger. If it counts.

Also, Just Cause 2. First was mediocre, second was one of the best games of the year.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

every generation of pokemon after red and green

No, my good sir, I think you got it backwards, they got worse with every step after Gold/Silver

I concur, esp. when they started throwing in more HM moves. Also some of the moves they got now are just stupid.

 

[Stammer]

Assassin's Creed 2 was monstrously superior to the first. Graphics, music, story, characters, combat, gameplay, controls.

Dark Cloud 2. It had way fewer characters (only 2 instead of like 10), removed a lot of the bad features from the original such as dehydration and permanent weapon-breaking, and improved on every feature. Again: graphics, music, story, characters, etc...

 

[Cipher1]

The Hitman series has gotten better and better over time and while Contracts was certainly shorter than 2 the overall tone of the game did make it more enjoyable for me than 2 plus Blood Money was just awesome and I still play it to this day on my ps3.

 

[Queen Michael]

I've never met somebody who likes the X-men movies and prefers the first X-men movie to X-men 2.

 

[starwarsgeek]

every generation of pokemon after red and green

No, my good sir, I think you got it backwards, they got worse with every step after Gold/Silver

I concur, esp. when they started throwing in more HM moves. Also some of the moves they got now are just stupid.

They do need to streamline the HMs, but I think the games have been improving each generation.

 

[Mikeyfell]

There are always good sequels and there always will be.
I like to call them necessary sequels.

Something where the story didn't finish is a prime example. You can't tackle an epic in one book/movie (You can tackle an epic in one game but what ever developers need jobs too)

The difficult part in that scenario is walking the line between "bullshity cliff hanger" and "nicely rapped up"

It's hard to have a satisfying end that offers closure while leaving an opening for a sequel.

Lord of the Rings did a good job even though I didn't like those movies.

The trick to a trilogy is that one of them has to be enjoyable as a stand alone. otherwise you get bored around the end of the second one and then a scene with a giant spider makes you turn the TV off and shit your self.

anyway where were we, oh yeah sequelitis. For the most part books are the best examples of good sequelage. My favorite series has 9 400 page books in it. I don't think I'd bee so kind to it if it was one 3600 page door stop.

Movies and games have the problem of costing a lot of money and therefore needing to make a lot of money. That's why you see series's like Fast and the Furious and Call of Duty that never change from iteration to iteration and consistently make more money than god.

I Don't know how to fix that really. Maybe but a cap on how many titles can be tied to any IP?
Nothing can go higher than a a trilogy, maybe. I mean, can you name a part 4 that was any good.(asides from Resident Evil)


back to the initial question a sequel that surpassed the original? well Jak 2 is (IMO) is the best sequel in existence.

"Jak 2" was better than "Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy"
but that was because nobody expected it to make such a dramatic shift in tone and gameplay... and difficulty...
damn... that was GREAT!
everybody must now play Jak 2.

quoted for truth.


Silent Hill 2, the good ol' standby answer from your friendly neighborhood gaming elitist.

For movies it's hard for me to think of a movie that blew it's immediate predecessor out of the water (That hasn't been mentioned already). Was The Dark Knight a sequel to Batman Begins? If so then that would get my vote.

I didn't actually think Godfather 2 was better than The Godfather.

There are a myriad of part 3's that were better than part 2's. The Girl Who Kicked the Hornet's Nest was infinity better than The Girl Who Played With Fire
Pirates of the Caribbean 3 was better than 2


Most books surpass their originals but the first one that comes to mind is Speaker For the Dead is better than Ender's Game



EDIT) Aliens. Of course I'd think of that 10 seconds after I click post. Aliens is another stellar sequel.