Seriously Nintendo fans, enough with all the hate.

[Xannidel]

I agree that it is a rip-off but that is NOT a bad thing. Games rip each other off all the time and people still buy them regardless of the bitching they do before the game is released. Not all the characters have been released (nor should they, it keeps things a mystery) and we still do not know a whole lot about it. I do like how they are using the Vita along with the PS3.

 

[Austin Manning]

Have you been in the "Will the WiiU be outdated thread?"

It's pure Nintendo hate in there, you aren't some "persecuted minority".

I never said I was. I think it's wrong that hundreds of people are attacking a game that hasn't been released yet.

I also think it's wrong for people to simply bash Nintendo, though after taking a peep at WiiU outdated forum I must say I didn't see any of that. What I saw was mostly just conjecture about how releasing a console without showing any specs, not to mention one that only seems to be at par with the competition in terms of power, may have been a strategic mistep. No one (that I saw mind you) was saying that the WiiU would be complete shiite on a crusty roll or that it was just a badly made knock off of Microsoft and Sony's systems.

 

[DeltaEdge]

While I do think that it is a blatant rip-off of SSB, I don't really care. These things tend to iron themselves out. If it was a really shitty rip-off of a SSB clone, then it'll go over very poorly, sell poorly, and they'll probably get their asses sued off. If it turned out to be a great, well-crafted innovative game that builds upon SSB and surpasses it in quality and mechanics, then it will sell a lot, and frankly, I don't see a problem with that. Why wouldn't you wan't an excellent game on the market. Then they'll probably get sued anyways. But seriously, if it turns out to be a legitimately great game, then it's not just a cheesy clone anymore, it's become a great game in its own right. And really, SSB has been sitting on a goldmine of replay value. People played melee excitedly during the 7 year gap in between then and brawl, and brawl, in my personal experience, after playing it on a regular basis for the past 4 years, doesn't seem to show any signs of becoming boring. Why no one has taken advantage of this earlier, well, my captcha "beats me", says it all.
Edit: Also I felt compelled to argue in this manner after seeing the gift from the gods that is the WiiU pro controller. I can't in my right mind argue that PS:BR is wrong and horrible, and then defend the pro controller. They are both, in essence, the same thing; A mechanism used to draw major attention and sales.

 

[Stilkon]

I don't own a single Nintendo console, and I have a strong distaste for anything Smash Bros related (as opposed to some of my friends). I also own a PS3, and am a fan of many Sony series, including Sly Cooper, Ratchet & Clank, and Infamous. That being said, I don't like All Stars Battle because it looks really stupid. The intro to this being announced at E3 was an awkward connection to a commercial that aired a year or so ago. Not a good sign.

Also, you know how it's kinda weird and garrish when you see Mario and Gannon next to each other in Smash Bros? You can probably double that for this game, since the more cartoony mascots (Sly, Ratchet {speculation}, and Jak {more speculation}) are going to be across the slew of "dark, gritty" mascots that will be in there, like Sweet Tooth, Kratos, Nathan Drake (not so much gritty, but more realistic), and that guy from Killzone that I had no idea had a name, because Sony has gotten on the dark and gritty bandwagon. The main reason is that these characters were never meant to be next to each other, and as such were made with completely different art styles that don't compliment each other.

Also, remember the last game that had a Sony mascot crossover? [img=http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5212/5396162986_daacec8b7a.jpg]

Didn't go so well, from what I understand.

Sorry if I seem snarky, but I'm just really disappointed by Sony trying to do this. Shouldn't they have done this when the last edition of Smash Bros came out?

EDIT: Huh. Image isn't working so well. I meant to have the box art of Playstation Heroes there. I'll try to fix it in a bit, sorry.

 

[Austin Manning]

le snip

Alright, for a damn long time I've been a defender of the true meaning of "rip off", and this game is an obvious rip off. Like, really obvious. Like, really obvious. It's almost exactly the same in every way outside of the characters and a few small changes. IA few times when I was watching some gameplay I thought I was watching SSB for a second.

Not to say that makes it a bad game, but if you can't see how blatant a rip off it is, then chances are you're the one that's biased.

Out of curiosity can I hear your definition of "rip off"? Also, saying: "something is exactly the same except" is a fairly weak argument. I mean, that's like saying a car is exactly the same as a bike except that it has two more wheels, an engine, and cargo space.

 

[Phlakes]

le snip

Alright, for a damn long time I've been a defender of the true meaning of "rip off", and this game is an obvious rip off. Like, really obvious. Like, really obvious. It's almost exactly the same in every way outside of the characters and a few small changes. IA few times when I was watching some gameplay I thought I was watching SSB for a second.

Not to say that makes it a bad game, but if you can't see how blatant a rip off it is, then chances are you're the one that's biased.

Also, saying: "something is exactly the same except" is a fairly weak argument. I mean, that's like saying a car is exactly the same as a bike except that it has two more wheels, and engine, and cargo space.

Well, yeah, that's completely true. I agree with that 100%. But-

It's almost exactly the same

words are important.

Out of curiosity can I hear your definition of "rip off"?

Well, going along with the car metaphor, making a hybrid sedan after someone else has made a hybrid sedan is perfectly fine, and taking inspiration from theirs (like the raised backs you see on the Prius) is also fine. But if you copy the body work, the dashboard, and use most of the same parts inside the car, then you're crossing the line.

So, making a fighting game after someone else made a fighting game is fine, but making a four-player, vertical-heavy fighting game based on licensed characters and stages, with the same controls ("each character has a variety of moves accessed via a directional input in conjunction with an attack button", from Game Informer), style, and even HUD, well, that's a rip off. It's completely obvious that someone at Sony told this developer "we want Smash Brothers but with Playstation" and they stuck to that hard.

 

[PeaceRider]

well this works both ways.

tons of people rag on Nintendo for not doing more mature games or not focusing enough on "hardcore gamers"
then there was a guy from Sony who called Nintendo's Wiimote a "lollipop" only for Sony to come out with the Playstation Move controller that looks even more like a lollipop.

In short I think the bitching fanboys are taking shots back at Sony for all the shots they feel they have taken from other haters over the years.

So ya. Person A complains about one thing, and Person B fires back by complaining about another.
then you just get flame wars.

both sides are childish, neither side is greater then the other.


I'm saying this and I support Nintendo more then other groups.

 

[him over there]

le snip

Alright, for a damn long time I've been a defender of the true meaning of "rip off", and this game is an obvious rip off. Like, really obvious. Like, really obvious. It's almost exactly the same in every way outside of the characters and a few small changes. IA few times when I was watching some gameplay I thought I was watching SSB for a second.

Not to say that makes it a bad game, but if you can't see how blatant a rip off it is, then chances are you're the one that's biased.

Also, saying: "something is exactly the same except" is a fairly weak argument. I mean, that's like saying a car is exactly the same as a bike except that it has two more wheels, and engine, and cargo space.

Well, yeah, that's completely true. I agree with that 100%. But-

It's almost exactly the same

words are important.

Out of curiosity can I hear your definition of "rip off"?

Well, going along with the car metaphor, making a hybrid sedan after someone else has made a hybrid sedan is perfectly fine, and taking inspiration from theirs (like the raised backs you see on the Prius) is also fine. But if you copy the body work, the dashboard, and use most of the same parts inside the car, then you're crossing the line.

So, making a fighting game after someone else made a fighting game is fine, but making a four-player, vertical-heavy fighting game based on licensed characters and stages, with the same controls ("each character has a variety of moves accessed via a directional input in conjunction with an attack button", from Game Informer), style, and even HUD, well, that's a rip off. It's completely obvious that someone at Sony told this developer "we want Smash Brothers but with Playstation" and they stuck to that hard.

The car metaphor while good actually applies better for creative works than actually cars ironically enough. Designing and finding the best way to make a car is a science. If everybody is trying to find the most aerodynamic design they'll all look incredibly similar because eventually they'll all reach the same conclusion on how to solve the problem. With a creative work if you scope what makes the other guy's thing good and create a re-skinned carbon copy (Not really what's going on with PS allstars but meh) then that would be far more of a ripoff then simply realizing that the competitor made the most objectively provable aerodynamic car or whatever.

 

[Jolly Co-operator]

I agree. I've always been a Smash Bros. fan, but Battle Royale still looks awesome. While I can see why some people would view it as a rip-off, I don't see why that automatically makes it a negative thing. Look at it this way: We will finally have a game where Sly Cooper vs. Big Daddy vs. Sweet Tooth vs. Kratos is possible. Rip-off or not, I have yet to think of a way for that not to be awesome, at least in theory.

 

[Dryk]

The strangest thing to me, is that once you make it so each attack only builds power they lose their use. In Smash every attack has a lot of properties, and therefore has specific uses in certain situations... I can't see that happening here.

The car metaphor while good actually applies better for creative works than actually cars ironically enough. Designing and finding the best way to make a car is a science. If everybody is trying to find the most aerodynamic design they'll all look incredibly similar because eventually they'll all reach the same conclusion on how to solve the problem. With a creative work if you scope what makes the other guy's thing good and create a re-skinned carbon copy (Not really what's going on with PS allstars but meh) then that would be far more of a ripoff then simply realizing that the competitor made the most objectively provable aerodynamic car or whatever.

They could've at least changed the HUD, I'm not sure moving away from RGBY would hurt the game that much.

 

[Shock and Awe]

Its probably not going to be a poorly made Smash Bros. clone, its most likely going to be a very well made Smash Bros. clone! I mean that in a good way too.

 

[BishopofAges]

SNIP again to save space

I understand where you're coming from and what it is that you're saying, but what I am trying to point out is that there are people out there who want to play a fighting game without memorizing a million and two moves, combos, counters, counter-combo, defense-break, etc.

VERY TRUE that they could have gone a different direction with this game, but this is the one they chose, will the controls be different? I, for one, don't know.

Sure there are some fighters that get dominated and out-right not used in SSB tournements, but that is the SAME for any fighter game and if you've convinced yourself otherwise, I'm sorry. If 'two button' fighting really died out with Bloody Roar, then why is SSB popular?

It seems you've missed the point of my final statement, it really doesn't matter what formula fits into your personal ideals for a fighting game or those of a competitive schema, it matters if people find it fun to play and play constantly against others. (hell there are still PONG tournaments for crap sakes.)

I'm really not trying to argue here, but it seems that stating the obvious is getting harder and harder, especially over the net.

 

[Furioso]

I would agree with you if they hadn't made the game look exactly like smash brothers, font and all. We have a million shooters that are virtually the same, sure, but at least those look slightly different. In this case it almost seems like they added a (terrible) game mode and made some new character skins for SSB:B

I also think there is a photo somewhere of the video trailer for the game on youtube, from the Playstation youtube channel, where the tags are "SSB:B, Super smash brothers brawl, super smash brothers"

 

[Innegativeion]

Eh, I expected it to be a half-decent smash bros. knock off.

Was even a little excited at the prospect of shooting sly cooper with a RYNO gun, or throwing daxter at clank, etc.

I wouldn't mind playing smash bros: sony edition, as the SSB formula is excellently genius, although...;

The all stars score system though is just... just terrible.

One of the least popular additions to brawl (which I happen to like, but that's neither here nor there), and they just make a game centered around it. There's no penalty for taking hits. It's... asinine, is what it is.

No matter how much you like super moves, a fighting game about super moves sounds just senseless. Additionally, since the only function of super moves is to kill instantly, most of them are going to feel and function exactly the same.

The appeal of smash bros.'s more open, roam-friendly stages was that the characters could toss each other around. All stars just seems to be a zoomed-out camera... and no health bars.

 

[Yopaz]

Nintendo came up with a game where they take various Nintendo characters in a 4 player brawler. It turns out to be a success so they make two sequels to it.

Sony makes a 4 player brawler where they make a character roster with various characters appearing on different Sony systems where you need to use super attacks in order to score points.

Clearly this is not even close to being a rip-off of Super Smash Bros. It's so incredibly different I can't even begin to describe it...

 

[Aprilgold]

Whenever Nintendo does something original it's either laughed at or called a gimmick,

Yeah when nintendo comes with something it is silly stupid and gets laughed at then another company comes with it (like sony) then suddenly it is gods gift to men for many people.

That is something that ticks me off.

I'll hammer on this drum.

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Go fuck yourselves Sony because this is a rip-off and it is clear as day.

Is that bad? Not really, but doesn't change the fact that it is a rip off.

 

[Some_weirdGuy]

What I wish they DID copy more from super smash bros was the good character roster. Sly racoon seems to be the only notable one in there that i'm personaly familiar with. Where are the other like him?

Original super smash bros had this roster of all the major iconic nintendo characters(mostly, if only they could retroactively include banjo-kazooie ) and a few extra's you may or may not have known about.

This one has... maybe 2? of the more iconic playsation characters (though admittedly i'm not so in one the newest generation) and the rest are all just randoms.


I understand why, since stuff like spyro, crash, rachet and clank, jak and daxter, etc they apparently don't own anymore, but it's still disappointing.
Actually, the cynic in me just now is wondering weather they might have some of these other characters but they're keeping them back so they can sell them as DLC.

 

[Samus Aran but a man]

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. If Sony pulls it off, more people can enjoy the Super Smash Bros-style gameplay that so many people love; how could that be a bad thing?

 

[Clearing the Eye]

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. If Sony pulls it off, more people can enjoy the Super Smash Bros-style gameplay that so many people love; how could that be a bad thing?

A solid system of thought, friend.

Don't like it? Alright. Maybe some people will. Don't buy it and let them have their fun. *shrug*

 

[Omgsarge]

Yes, it is most certaintly heavily...shall we say, "inspired" by SSB. However, I fail to see a problem here. It WILL have some things that are not present in SSB which in turn will inspire Nintendo to add new features to their game. We get a mascot brawler with Sony characters and some more evolution in the genre. Everybody wins. It will not comprimise Nintendos creativity or take away from their sales (probably).

Honestly, people should be glad that Sony and Microsot copy Nintendo. It gives the whole industry more variety and we, the consumer, will only profit from the increased competition (not saying that only Nintendo innovates). Nintendo still gets bragging rights for bringing motion controls and the mascot-fighter into the console world so whats the big problem? "Loyal" fans who think this diminishes their chosen videogame company? Please.