Seriously though, F***K the Alliance.
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Honestly, if the Taurens ever switched sides, I would too in a heartbeat.Ghengis John said:
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This was in the gaming Discussion section, this is the place for it, I am disappointed in you for being unable to comprehend that.Zaik said:
Nice backhanded insult there. "Lifeless" is an exaggeration, your words, not mine. Don't mean to ruffle your feathers though but if you want to see everything you will have to knuckle down a bit. Eventually you finish leveling, you know. Then your options become either to stop playing or to find "end game content". If you start raiding you will be expected to get better. If you head to the arena or pvp at all, same thing. That's because everything in the game requires you to work with other people and those interactions and their expectations will make you want to "get better". In any event, I guess your personality immunizes you somewhat (lucky you) but the game's designed to hook you. Maybe curiosity or avarice will get you or even boredom, maybe your in game friends will rope you in. But it's an easy trap for most people who play wow to fall into at some point. Before you know it you're dealing with a lot of things you don't want to. In my opinion even something as basic as a queue is a hassle you don't need.Cowabungaa said:
Don't misquote me on that.
Well let's clear this up first; that wasn't a backhanded insult, didn't misquote you either. It's just a common complaint of ex-WoW players that I don't get as again, the game forces you to do nothing of the sort. If anything, they made it possible nowadays to stay competitive with only a few hours a week of playtime. Just ask our very own John Funk. You can play the game perfectly fine without ever having to encounter the things you list.Ghengis John said:
In the olden days, yes if you really wanted to see everything you had to buckle down and prepare for long nights. I'm very glad they opened up the content for everyone nowadays, and added extra challenges for the people who wanted to stay hardcore. I didn't know when you quit, but there's a lot of choice on how you want to tackle the game nowadays.
And what's bad about quitting when you run out of content anyway? I played for months, not touching a single shred of endgame content, haven't resubbed last month but I still had content left to explore. And when it runs out, heej, no problem, I've entertained myself for ages and nothing lasts forever.
I like both factions, I like horde more but Alliance has Dwarfs and Dwarfs are awesome. Although Varian is a total cock.
I disagree female nelfs are hotter than male Belfs. Maybe its because I am not attracted to men but thats how I feel. Also pretty sure Wryyn was forced to fight as a slave in a horde gladiatorial arena. Sure it was a big mix up but he actually has an excuse unlike Hellscream's little brat. (Who doesn't have a valid reason for hating the alliance other than "My Daddy did.")Laurie Barnes said:
If I actually played WoW I would pick the Horde due to your points... but I will probably never play it
Granted, but I played through some starting quests. I started off hating the felorc, I even had a macro set that I used every time I was in Orgrimmar which made rude gestures and shouted "Down with the War-Thief Garrosh", over every channel. However I played through a few of the early are quests for the Loremaster achievement and I came to respect him greatly. In fact a lot of the evils committed were committed by corrupt orcish generals and were condemned by Garrosh when he learned of them, I even watched the young Warchief throw a general off a mountain for using a weapon of mass destruction on innocent druids. He condemned the forsaken using the freed Valkyr to create more forsaken, and I even learned that he did not actually kill Cairne Bloodhoof, a crime for which I hated him incredibly, it was in fact the poison of the Grimtotem matron. Garrosh actually reveals that he thoroughly regrets the dispute and would undo it all if he could (even if it meant allowing a tauren to be warchief), he regrets not having Cairne's guidance, and misses a potential friend.IamQ said:
If someone has something similar to say of Wrynn I invite it, but as far as I know he is incapable of learning from his mistakes or recognizing his own hubris.
An intelligent person would know that I was calling the Blood Elves girly, not assume I am gay, thank you. As for Hellscream being a brat, I suppose that is fair because the Alliance never put a child in charge.Canid117 said:
We get it you hate alliance because your horde and have to make up arguments or twist them to support horde above alliance. Horde have been made to be bad in expansion, forsaken killing women, children and elderly on purpose. While alliance have been made good to a fault, camp in southern barrens they tried to kill as few tauren as possible leaving holes in lines and tauren try to get revenge.
Be warned, I'm about to get nerdy in here. *Adjusts monocle*
No offence, but go play Warcraft 1 and 2. Haven't played WOW regularly in well over a year though I did play for a month after Cataclysm came out, so I might not be the most up to date in WOW's story but in terms of the original story I must have read and re-read the manuals and played the campaigns for Warcraft 1 and 2 well over a dozen times each. Warcraft 1 was my very first rts game, my introduction to the entire genre, I loved that game and its sequels!
Anyway, when I think 'Alliance', I think of this guy:
Anduin Lothar, the closest Warcraft 1 and 2 had to a main protagonist.
When the Horde came out of nowhere to slaughter and entire kingdom, tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of complete innocents being murdered and killed for no apparent reason. When the King of Stormwind was assassinated, the cities defences breached, and everything going all to hell this is the guy that stood up and took charge.
An old knight. No magical powers, no super strengths, just the last of an old bloodline doing his duty.
I think that's why I like him as a character. All the rest of Warcrafts protagonist from Warcraft 3 forward all tend to be super-powerful wizard-warriors with brooding and angst and all sorts of boring issues. Typical fantasy tripe. Lothar was an old soldier doing his duty and trying to do what was best for his kingdom. He was believable. A sympathetic character, and the artwork reflects that.
Anyway he rallied the survivors of Stormwind and fled north to Lordaeron.
He begged the northern kingdoms for aid, gathered an army, and formed the Alliance. That's right, this old bugger up there is the founder of the Alliance. Betcha' didn't know that!
Whatever the case he rallied the armies, called all the various nations and peoples to him, and led a war to retake Stormwind and push back the Horde. And in the final battle, he died. He died in an ambush when the then-warchief of the Horde ambushed him and like the King of Stormwind before had him assassinated thinking that seeing their leader, the so called 'Lion of Azeroth' killed would break the spirits of the Alliance. It didn't. It had the opposite effect, enraging the armies of the Alliance into a frenzy such that the Horde never stood a chance.
Later on his second in command, Turalyon, would lead one last major attack (Warcraft 2: Through the Dark Portal) to sacrifice his life trying to close the portal once and for all and save his people as his mentor Lothar had wanted.
Anyway, point I'm getting at is that this is what I think when I think Alliance. Duty, self-sacrifice, honour. Horde is all 'FOR ZE HORDE' chest-thumping bravado, Alliance simply do what has to be done. I like that!
That they might be a little biased against the Horde is completely understandable as well. The events I just summarized happened not that long ago in Warcrafts timeline, many people still remember when the Orcs came and started slaughtering. And while the Orcs like to say 'demons made me do it' that's a damned poor excuse. Grom Hellscream in Warcraft 3 said straight up that the Orcs did it willingly, that they enjoyed it, and many of those Orcs are still alive and well in Orgrimmar. Next time you buy something from an Orc merchant in Org, ponder how many (thankfully fictional) children he's killed.
So seriously, F***K the Horde. They get what they deserve. For Anduin Lothar!
No offence, but go play Warcraft 1 and 2. Haven't played WOW regularly in well over a year though I did play for a month after Cataclysm came out, so I might not be the most up to date in WOW's story but in terms of the original story I must have read and re-read the manuals and played the campaigns for Warcraft 1 and 2 well over a dozen times each. Warcraft 1 was my very first rts game, my introduction to the entire genre, I loved that game and its sequels!
Anyway, when I think 'Alliance', I think of this guy:
Anduin Lothar, the closest Warcraft 1 and 2 had to a main protagonist.
When the Horde came out of nowhere to slaughter and entire kingdom, tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of complete innocents being murdered and killed for no apparent reason. When the King of Stormwind was assassinated, the cities defences breached, and everything going all to hell this is the guy that stood up and took charge.
An old knight. No magical powers, no super strengths, just the last of an old bloodline doing his duty.
I think that's why I like him as a character. All the rest of Warcrafts protagonist from Warcraft 3 forward all tend to be super-powerful wizard-warriors with brooding and angst and all sorts of boring issues. Typical fantasy tripe. Lothar was an old soldier doing his duty and trying to do what was best for his kingdom. He was believable. A sympathetic character, and the artwork reflects that.
Anyway he rallied the survivors of Stormwind and fled north to Lordaeron.
He begged the northern kingdoms for aid, gathered an army, and formed the Alliance. That's right, this old bugger up there is the founder of the Alliance. Betcha' didn't know that!
Whatever the case he rallied the armies, called all the various nations and peoples to him, and led a war to retake Stormwind and push back the Horde. And in the final battle, he died. He died in an ambush when the then-warchief of the Horde ambushed him and like the King of Stormwind before had him assassinated thinking that seeing their leader, the so called 'Lion of Azeroth' killed would break the spirits of the Alliance. It didn't. It had the opposite effect, enraging the armies of the Alliance into a frenzy such that the Horde never stood a chance.
Later on his second in command, Turalyon, would lead one last major attack (Warcraft 2: Through the Dark Portal) to sacrifice his life trying to close the portal once and for all and save his people as his mentor Lothar had wanted.
Anyway, point I'm getting at is that this is what I think when I think Alliance. Duty, self-sacrifice, honour. Horde is all 'FOR ZE HORDE' chest-thumping bravado, Alliance simply do what has to be done. I like that!
That they might be a little biased against the Horde is completely understandable as well. The events I just summarized happened not that long ago in Warcrafts timeline, many people still remember when the Orcs came and started slaughtering. And while the Orcs like to say 'demons made me do it' that's a damned poor excuse. Grom Hellscream in Warcraft 3 said straight up that the Orcs did it willingly, that they enjoyed it, and many of those Orcs are still alive and well in Orgrimmar. Next time you buy something from an Orc merchant in Org, ponder how many (thankfully fictional) children he's killed.
So seriously, F***K the Horde. They get what they deserve. For Anduin Lothar!
Speaking as someone who's followed Warcraft lore since the beginning, I prefer the Horde. Yes, it's true that the races of the horde can be cruel and aggressive. What a lot of people need to know is the background of all the events that took place in history.
The horde were originally very savage and started many wars, including the first two. The issue is, that both of the major wars were started because Orcs had been enslaved by demons, one of which was Mannoroth who was slain by Grommosh Hellscream, father of the current warchief of the horde, Garrosh. Since the third game, Thrall has been doing his best to not only return his people to glory, but putting the interests and safety of the entire world ahead of his own selfish desires and petty revenge.
With Thrall as Warchief, he very well could have attained the peace and unity he had long sought. Unfortunately for him, the Varian Wrynn is selfish, self centered, arrogant and petty. Varian's behaviour poorly reflects the behaviour the Alliance as a whole, and has convince his people to fight for his cause. In a time when the greatest threat to the world was the Lich King, Arthas, he destroyed what chance they had at a peaceful alliance to unite against a common enemy out of the rage from the supposed loss of his friend
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As much as I love the horde, they're not perfect. The orc culture alone is heavily set in "the way of the warrior". They beleive in glory and honour on the battlefield, and find satisfaction in crushing their enemies, which makes some of them irrational with hatred (See Garrosh), but you also need to understand where they came from. For years they've been under the influence of demonic powers, used as puppets for wage war on behalf of the burning legion. Not to mention evil warlocks like Gul'dan who were responsible for the shattering of Draenor, now known as outland.
Every race within the Horde has a history of hardship and are seriously misunderstood. The Alliance has a very Crusader like fervor, probably related to religion, that causes them to act as they do, arrogant and stupid. The Alliance has their own history of hardships, the Horde aren't alone in the sense. The difference between the two is their attitudes and the willing to change, which Thrall has tried on many occasions but was unsuccessful due to the alliances distrustful nature.
The horde were originally very savage and started many wars, including the first two. The issue is, that both of the major wars were started because Orcs had been enslaved by demons, one of which was Mannoroth who was slain by Grommosh Hellscream, father of the current warchief of the horde, Garrosh. Since the third game, Thrall has been doing his best to not only return his people to glory, but putting the interests and safety of the entire world ahead of his own selfish desires and petty revenge.
With Thrall as Warchief, he very well could have attained the peace and unity he had long sought. Unfortunately for him, the Varian Wrynn is selfish, self centered, arrogant and petty. Varian's behaviour poorly reflects the behaviour the Alliance as a whole, and has convince his people to fight for his cause. In a time when the greatest threat to the world was the Lich King, Arthas, he destroyed what chance they had at a peaceful alliance to unite against a common enemy out of the rage from the supposed loss of his friend
Who turned out to not be dead but captured and tortured by Arthas
As much as I love the horde, they're not perfect. The orc culture alone is heavily set in "the way of the warrior". They beleive in glory and honour on the battlefield, and find satisfaction in crushing their enemies, which makes some of them irrational with hatred (See Garrosh), but you also need to understand where they came from. For years they've been under the influence of demonic powers, used as puppets for wage war on behalf of the burning legion. Not to mention evil warlocks like Gul'dan who were responsible for the shattering of Draenor, now known as outland.
Every race within the Horde has a history of hardship and are seriously misunderstood. The Alliance has a very Crusader like fervor, probably related to religion, that causes them to act as they do, arrogant and stupid. The Alliance has their own history of hardships, the Horde aren't alone in the sense. The difference between the two is their attitudes and the willing to change, which Thrall has tried on many occasions but was unsuccessful due to the alliances distrustful nature.
They're also really stupid and lazy.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/shamusplays/8251-Shamus-Plays-WoW-1-Its-An-Imps-Life
hehe, but anyway. I preferred the Alliance in the Warcraft games. Prefer Hoard in World of Warcraft. Well did, when I played World of Warcraft anyway...
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/shamusplays/8251-Shamus-Plays-WoW-1-Its-An-Imps-Life
hehe, but anyway. I preferred the Alliance in the Warcraft games. Prefer Hoard in World of Warcraft. Well did, when I played World of Warcraft anyway...