Seriously? You can almost win an award for THIS?!
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Good indie games. Hmm... Hmm... Hmm... Amnesia: The Dark Descent. Not sure if it counts as a indie game (I'm not up to par on my lingo), but I've heard it referred to as that and I think it's fucking amazing. I yawned my way through every Silent Hill game, Parasite Eve, and even The Grudge for the Wii was just a series of jump scares, but Amnesia will MOST LIKELY FUCK YOUR SHIT. I started out with the usual bravado and defiant nothing-scares-me attitude, and I was a complete pansy the entire time I played that game.
And I've toyed with the Penumbra games. They just didn't have the same atmosphere as Amnesia did. The biggest killer was that they looked like N64-level graphics much of the time, particularly the dogs in Overture, but even so I still think A:TDD is Frictional's crowning moment of awesome.
And I've toyed with the Penumbra games. They just didn't have the same atmosphere as Amnesia did. The biggest killer was that they looked like N64-level graphics much of the time, particularly the dogs in Overture, but even so I still think A:TDD is Frictional's crowning moment of awesome.
But would you still say the same thing after playing Mary Kate and Ashely Winners Circle for the Game Boy Color.ShakyFiend said:
This is like the gaming equivalent of one of those films shot completely in black and white about a little boy riding his bicycle, whilst a soft spoken frenchman provides narration, isn't it?
Incidentally, triple A games can be, and often are art in their own way.
Incidentally, triple A games can be, and often are art in their own way.
I just downloaded the free trial of this game, not going to lie, it creeped me right out, I thought I'd never say this, but, FREAKY ASS BELGIANS!
I thought it was slightly brilliant - it's very innovative to assume the role of an elderly lady no? how many games have you done this in exactly?
The idea being that you explore the emotional state of an old woman is fresh
- more creative and innovative than oh say black ops... Enough said
The idea being that you explore the emotional state of an old woman is fresh
- more creative and innovative than oh say black ops... Enough said
Define Indie game for me. I'm serious. You talk about games that blur the line between Indie and AAA games. What exactly would those be? In fact, there IS no line between the AAA and Indie games just like there is no border between Spain and Russia - there's a bunch of stuff in between.Azaraxzealot said:
What I'm talking about are games from smaller developers which I'm unsure if they can be classified as Indie. Look up "King Arthur: Role Playing Wargame", you'll find a Total War game in a fantasy setting by a small Hungarian developer. Look up "Venetica" and you'll get a Fable-type game, also from a small European developer.
Are these Indie games? Or are they just games? They sure as hell aren't "AAA" games, that much is evident from the lack of budget. "True" Indie games are generally developed by a very small number of people on a budget that's smaller than the value of a (heavily) used car, and as such there is only so much they can do.
And if we ARE only looking for the games done on the "cheap", take a look at Flash games. Go to Kongregate or some such site and you'll find a vast selection of games that should be classed as Indie, ranging from top-down RPGs, through strategy games, point&click adventures and many many more.
The problem with the "Indie scene" that we all hear about is that it's not really Indie. It's what passes on LIVE and STEAM. There's great stuff out there, you just need to look a bit harder.
This is why "games as art" makes me unhappy, it reminds me how incredibly dull my college art classes actually were.
Make the old lady a night or a cyborg, make the graveyard a haunted graveyard or a cyborg haunted graveyard, give me a plasma beam or a gatling gun and sign me up. I'd love to contemplate mortality as I played an actual fun game.
Make the old lady a night or a cyborg, make the graveyard a haunted graveyard or a cyborg haunted graveyard, give me a plasma beam or a gatling gun and sign me up. I'd love to contemplate mortality as I played an actual fun game.
Think about it. A torn canvas. It represents rejection. A rejection of the constrains of cultural influence governed by a bourgeois society.Zephirius said:
It's very reminiscent of Primitivism, an artistic movement adopted by the Avant Garde after Britain took Benin and looted the city. Artists saw the Benin people's 'simplistic' art as being more of an honest and truthful expression of their human condition. It was not something forcibly moulded by cultural influences, but shaped by what the artist wanted to express.
To this end, members of the Avant Garde began to draw and paint images that were far simpler and far removed from classical art. This also gave rise to 'Cubism', and i'm sure you've heard of Picasso.
It's all about the rejection of contemporary society, values and culture. For those following Primitivism, it was about rejection and expression. Something that conveys the artist's feelings with greater authenticity.
Ditto to the ninja. I haven't gotten the chance to play a lot of indie games but a friend recently said that indie games, along with the rest of the dl content, make the 360 a must-have.Flatfrog said:
I, too, just played it. It wasn't bad, but if I were the developer, I'd make one alteration: I actually got anxious as I started to leave the graveyard, what with all the creepy clouds and crows and sirens and everything, but I knew I was safe because I was playing the trial version. Imagine if, all confident in my invincibility, and the meat of the game (that is, the song) ostensibly over, I were to suddenly and unexpectedly keel over. I know I don't speak for most of you guys, but that would have won my vote.
Not that we're voting. Art is subjective, guys.
Not that we're voting. Art is subjective, guys.
No but then again you might not say the same about that after reading Anna Karenina (possibly, cant really claim to know you as such, so dont come back at me withHalo Fanboy said:
"actually I have"; I was just making an example.
Indie games don't have low standards, they have different standards. It's like Oscar nominations for movies. The Oscar nominees are boring, and the movies that didn't get nominated are dumb. It's the same with Indie games and triple A gamesAzaraxzealot said:
The last thing an indie game wants is to be compared to a triple A game. Two triple A's go head to head the one with the bigger budget wins. Two Indie games go head to head and they're too different to compare so the best one wins. They're trying new things. And good thing too because gaming as a whole was getting fucking boring.
It's an experiment in atmospheric (non-exposition) storytelling. Nothing more, nothing less.
Is it award-worthy? Well it didn't win, so the bitching is largely pointless hyperbole anyway.
When you don't have access to 20 million dollar budgets and human resources large enough to populate an island, you just try to create things to get your name out there. Also, many of these off-kilter indie-games are *not* made for the benefit of the mass-audience, and given how many pretentious-asshole posts I've seen in this topic alone, it's not hard to imagine why.
Is it award-worthy? Well it didn't win, so the bitching is largely pointless hyperbole anyway.
When you don't have access to 20 million dollar budgets and human resources large enough to populate an island, you just try to create things to get your name out there. Also, many of these off-kilter indie-games are *not* made for the benefit of the mass-audience, and given how many pretentious-asshole posts I've seen in this topic alone, it's not hard to imagine why.