Sexual Fantasy vs. Sexual Morality

[nekoali]

The problem with the OP's question is that they are basing it from completely incorrect information. There was never a time ever when the only thing acceptable was "your typical vanilla sex between a married man and woman". Never. There are some groups who would like to THINK that is the truth, but it never is, and never was, and god hopes there never will be, because that is the sort of thought and behavior control that we should never ever hope to have.

What people choose to do sexually, with whom, how often, how many and in any variation of consenting adults is absolutely no business of anyone who is not involved. Anything else is people sticking their nose in where it doesn't belong and isn't welcome.

 

[Verp]

As long as sex happens between two consenting adults or sufficiently close equivalents and it happens where it doesn't bother people (the streets, the office, etc.), it's none of my business.

I don't do sex, so I can't really comment on what makes one kind of sexual activity more pleasurable than the other.

 

[Daveman]

What people do behind closed doors is no concern of mine, and it should be of no concern to anyone else.

What about the helpful bus?
[sub][sub]I seriously hope people don't think I'm actually posting porn.[/sub][/sub]

 

[Thaluikhain]

or sufficiently close equivalents

How close is sufficient? Is it the same for everyone and every sex act?

 

[SimuLord]

Every girl I've ever been with has cried out the safeword LONG before I've reached my own theoretical limit (which frankly scares me), so I lost the right to judge ANYONE for their sexual morality.

 

[FoolKiller]

Consenting adults. That is all that is required. The rest is up to them as long as they don't hurt anyone else.

 

[Something Amyss]

I don't really think ex requires boundary pushing. However, provided we're talking about consenting adults, I'm pretty much apathetic. Until someone dies or similar.

 

[ShadowsofHope]

That line would only make crossing it all the more desirable.

Well said. Then the only way to stay behind that line would be to somehow adopt a way of thinking that scoffs at what is deemed sexually immoral all the time, so I would believe.

There is no "sexual immorality" between two consenting adults within a sexual experience, contrary to the "moral pedestal" position some religions try to be presumptuous with. Once you get past the consensual line of things, then it becomes a concern.

Otherwise, what happens in the bedroom with consent, is no one else's business. End of fucking story (no pun intended, of course).

 

[Scott Guthrie]

What people do behind closed doors is no concern of mine, and it should be of no concern to anyone else.

What about the helpful bus?
[sub][sub]I seriously hope people don't think I'm actually posting porn.[/sub][/sub]

that shit was funnny :L

don't lie you want people to think your posting porn

 

[Zykon TheLich]

2 or more consenting adults etc.

Personally as long as it doesn't involve poop or piss or another dude I'm good as long as the lady in question is actively into it, it's not really as much fun if they're just going along with it for your sake. Also razors or sharp blades of any kind, don't like them.

 

[alfrodul]

There was a time when... vanilla. Do you believe that we really should draw a line on what should be acceptable? Or what would be defined as acceptable to you anyway?

I think that line has always been a best a grey and murky area. The idea that sexuality (and related issues like hetero-bi-homo- sexuality and/or marriage and family) has ever been standard is a modern myth constructed largely in our own lifetime.

One of my favorite examples, transvestite vikings.
http://www.idavallen.org/artiklar/transvikings.html

 

[Caliostro]

Morality doesn't exist. It's an antiquated social construct old and conservative people use to justify their bigotry and their megalomaniac tendencies to want to run other people's lives as a vicarious way to overcompensate for their own sad existence.

If everyone involved is consenting, do whatever the hell you want.

 

[MassiveGeek]

We are social and with that sexual creatures.

And I see no reason to surpress that nature based on majority opinion, or in this case, the Jane/Joe preference. But we need to be more informative in this area, sex ed should be universal and not having it out of question, because it is truly important.
How you do it doesn't matter to me, if you're gay and want anal sex with your partner, why should I stop you? If you're heterosexual and want to have a one night stand with some chick/guy you met at the bar, sure!
I don't have to watch or care unless it directly affects me, so why should I have a say?

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

If you have sex outside of marriage you are an adulterer. You're free to do it but that doesn't mean you should.

That entirely depends on the marriage. My spouce and I enjoy the occasional guest star, or guest stars, in the bedroom. You're only an adulterer if you don't have permission. Otherwise, you're just a couple that enjoys some extra-marital fun.

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

Morality doesn't exist. It's an antiquated social construct old and conservative people use to justify their bigotry and their megalomaniac tendencies to want to run other people's lives as a vicarious way to overcompensate for their own sad existence.

I disagree. Morality does exist - rape and murder are things I think we can all get behind as morally wrong.

I think a better way to make your point is to say that sex has nothing to do with morality. The idea of any sexual act (apart from rape) being immoral is an "antiquated social construct".

 

[JoeThree]

My belief is as follows: Your right to extand your fist ends at someone else's nose. That can pretty much be used in all situations involving civil rights, including sex.

 

[MasterOfWorlds]

When I was still a psychology major, I was interested in trying to find out what caused the various fetishes, because, as I'm sure most of us have seen, there are some freaky ones out there. I'm not really for or againt any particular sexual act, as long as it involves two or more (if you're into that) consenting adults and no one gets hurt beyond their expectations (again, one of those "if you're into that" things). As long as so unreasonable harm/trauma occurs and the people are OK with it, why bother? Now people and animals (not furries, that's a little different)...I'm not for that. At all. I'm not militant about my dislike of it, but I see it in much the same way as I see people who are actracted to underage people; it shouldn't be done, period.

 

[Daveman]

What people do behind closed doors is no concern of mine, and it should be of no concern to anyone else.

What about the helpful bus?
[sub][sub]I seriously hope people don't think I'm actually posting porn.[/sub][/sub]

that shit was funnny :L

don't lie you want people to think your posting porn

So long as I don't get prob(ation)ed.

 

[Verp]

or sufficiently close equivalents

How close is sufficient? Is it the same for everyone and every sex act?

A couple of years here and there from the age of consent as long as the participants are of roughly the same age so exploitation is less likely to become systematic.

As for individual cases -- I guess every sex act is different, but quite honestly, it's not very relevant to my interests.

 

[Caliostro]

I disagree. Morality does exist - rape and murder are things I think we can all get behind as morally wrong.

I think a better way to make your point is to say that sex has nothing to do with morality. The idea of any sexual act (apart from rape) being immoral is an "antiquated social construct".

Wrong. If we all agreed that rape and murder are bad things, rapists and murderers wouldn't exist. So, apparently, at least some people think it's ok.

Also rape and murder aren't a matter of "morality", they're a matter of freedom. One man's freedom ends where another man's freedom begins. So a person's freedom to rape and murder kinda ends when it collides with another person's freedom of not being raped and murdered.

Morality is when people say "I dislike this! EVERYONE should dislike this! And if you don't dislike this, you're wrong!". Some would call that ethnocentrism.