Sexual liberation

[Vault101]

I enjoy sex, what cause am I fighting here exactly?

the right to enjoy sex

 

[Something Amyss]

Anyway, moral of the story: If there is really no significant difference between men and women as far as capability/competency goes...then it's more practical to take men because they don't get 6-8 weeks of mandatory paid leave.

So if given the choice between two otherwise equal males, one black and one white, would you always choose the white one? Blacks are statistically more likely to suffer from some pretty debilitating diseases, so they are statistically more likely to leave you in the lurch, "inconveniencing" you with health problems that may mean they cannot come back to work at all.

Is it more practical?

 

[Something Amyss]

I enjoy sex, what cause am I fighting here exactly?

the right to enjoy sex

Sex isn't for enjoyment! It's for procreation!

 

[Kopikatsu]

Anyway, moral of the story: If there is really no significant difference between men and women as far as capability/competency goes...then it's more practical to take men because they don't get 6-8 weeks of mandatory paid leave.

So if given the choice between two otherwise equal males, one black and one white, would you always choose the white one? Blacks are statistically more likely to suffer from some pretty debilitating diseases, so they are statistically more likely to leave you in the lurch, "inconveniencing" you with health problems that may mean they cannot come back to work at all.

Is it more practical?

Pregnancy isn't at all comparable to illness. In any regard.

So no, not really. Most of the really bad diseases for blacks are genetic anyway. If they didn't have it to begin with, they won't suddenly develop it because space magic.

 

[Something Amyss]

Pregnancy isn't at all comparable to illness. In any regard.

Except the most important to your argument, the pragmatism of the employer. I mean, hiring a black man could lead to productivity lose, the need to hire someone else, and possibly the loss of all monetary benefit from training.

I mean, if someone's going to be out for six weeks, why does it matter if it's a heart attack or a childbirth?

So no, not really. Most of the really bad diseases for blacks are genetic anyway. If they didn't have it to begin with, they won't suddenly develop it because space magic.

Except, of course, genetic problems don't always present at birth. Many of these predispositions are for things that probably won't show up initially. But yeah, space magic is the reason. Riiiight.

Face it, the reason you can be looked upon as sexist is because your "pragmatism" only applies to women.

Additionally, since I didn't mention it before, your comments about paternity leave in the US are false. There is no distinction for paternity leave. Since it's unpaid in the first place, it's very similar to time off in other regards. If an employer chooses to pay for maternity leave, or offer maternity benefits on their own accord, then they have done so willingly (unless in a state that changes the law, of which I know none) and therefore have no right to complain. In your hypothetical scenario, you've basically added multiple false assertions. More and more, men take paternity leave (Though that's been their right for 20 years), so only the childbirth becomes an issue for you, and since (last I checked) women are only guaranteed like 72 hours there, it's not exactly different from any other medical procedure. In fact, it's shorter than many.

So, my friend, as your list of excuses for why women are impractical dwindle, would you like to rephrase any of your argument? Or perhaps apologise to Vault for deceiving her?

 

[ProtoChimp]

Ok I'm male but I feel that 'Sexual liberation' of either genders won't happen until people realize that some people choose to not have sex.

This is of course as well as people getting over who (gender) people have sex with, in what manner, and including what objects.

Until people can go about their sex lives without having to worry what other people will think of them only then will we have 'sexual liberation', until then there will always be a group of people that are discriminated for simply enjoying a specific fetish.

Expect for people who act upon ones that are illegal such as Pedophilia and Rape.

Continuing, I also feel that this may actually leak into 'Gender Identification' because the first steps that will be required is for the people who have problems with people who have a different mental Gender to their physical sex need to grow up and just let everyone get on with their lives.

I feel that these two link up well because a persons identified gender will have an inpact on the nature of their sex life.

Until everyone grows up and I feel that sexual liberation is far from happening.

What about Bestiality? Does that count as rape or can that be consensual? Also what about that one french woman who married a fence? That second one is more of an opinion thing since I dont see anything wrong with it.

OP: I get shouted at like I've done something wrong because I'm 18 and still a virgin, I get shouted at like I've done something wrong because I don't care that I'm a virgin, I get shouted at like I've done something wrong because I don't constantly try and get a girlfriend in fact I'm called a child because of it. I don't feel liberated because when I say my choice is that I'm not in any rush I'm either shouted at, called pathetic, or called a child who isn't ready.

 

[Kopikatsu]

So, my friend, as your list of excuses for why women are impractical dwindle, would you like to rephrase any of your argument?

You get six weeks of maternity leave at 55% pay in California, 6 weeks of 66% pay in New Jersey, 8 weeks at 100% pay in Puerto Rico, 8 weeks of 58% pay in Hawaii, and 8 weeks of 50% in New York. Paternity leave only exists in California and New Jersey with the same time/rates as Maternal. New York being operative here.

 

[Something Amyss]

You get six weeks of maternity leave at 55% pay in California, 6 weeks of 66% pay in New Jersey, 8 weeks at 100% pay in Puerto Rico, 8 weeks of 58% pay in Hawaii, and 8 weeks of 50% in New York. Paternity leave only exists in California and New Jersey with the same time/rates as Maternal. New York being operative here.

So four states plus Peurto Rico and DC. Wow. Ummm, that's great. So you ignored my larger points to point out a single technicality and still are clinging to the lack of paternity leave when apparently all you really mean is the lack of PAID paternity leave in FOUR states.

Oh wait, what? TWO of those four states allow paternity leave? That's helping your case even less.

Come on, man. You're grasping at straws now. Or you were grossly misrepresenting things to vault. Either way, it's time to give up the ghost. This isn't about pragmatism or practicality.

 

[Kopikatsu]

You get six weeks of maternity leave at 55% pay in California, 6 weeks of 66% pay in New Jersey, 8 weeks at 100% pay in Puerto Rico, 8 weeks of 58% pay in Hawaii, and 8 weeks of 50% in New York. Paternity leave only exists in California and New Jersey with the same time/rates as Maternal. New York being operative here.

So four states plus Peurto Rico and DC. Wow. Ummm, that's great. So you ignored my larger points to point out a single technicality and still are clinging to the lack of paternity leave when apparently all you really mean is the lack of PAID paternity leave in FOUR states.

Oh wait, what? TWO of those four states allow paternity leave? That's helping your case even less.

Come on, man. You're grasping at straws now. Or you were grossly misrepresenting things to vault. Either way, it's time to give up the ghost. This isn't about pragmatism or practicality.

I think you might want to go back and read what I'd originally said again. I said that it's not worth hiring a woman in a place where only maternity leave exists (As opposed to neither or both) if all other things are equal. In any other situation, it doesn't matter. Was very clear on that, I thought.

 

[corvuscorrax]

So, my question for all genders, sexualities, and species is, do you feel sexually liberated? Is that important to you?

here somtbing I figured

[b/]I think society doesnt focus enough on female sexuality[/b]

and by that I dont mean our objectification of females (obviiously) I mean women and how they enjoy sex and all that

theres that old "double standard" issue, a guy is congradulated for having lots of sex...and girl is shamed and decalred a "slut"

that and its pretty much a "given" in our popular culture that young men are sex crazed..and into porn and all that..its normal

yet women and such being into porn (aside form this 50 shades of grey thing) is not quite a "thing"

its like a hold over from the days of treating a womens virginity has a "sacred thing" and the Idea that women should be "pure" and virginal...I thono society as a whole still has a kind of "virgin/whore" complex

as for me personally...havnt been there...and to even [b/]go there[/b] I'd have to start being social and all that and thats just like.....its like climbing everest...

I'm male and I would never congratulate or speak highly of another guy who has had a lot of sex.

I would think of him as more animal than man who has zero control over sexual urges. Same sentiment goes for women from me.

 

[Jordy Hartog]

Mandatory clothes-wearing is actually a big thing for me. Not because I'd go nude, but I'd like to have the option there. Knowing that I don't have a choice because of the laws my society has laid down is oppressive. The public attitude towards sexuality that condemns the natural, the human body, must weigh on the mind of most of us.

Exactly, the key word for me is "option" Apparently it's no problem for us to be born naked, but as soon as possible we should be covered up and hidden from the world.

I have a similar feeling towards public attitudes towards, for instance, children of 4 and under (usually done for practical reasons as they would grow out of their swimwear before getting a chance to wear it again) not wearing swimsuits in a public swimming pool/ on a beach. Look, I'll be the first to admit that pedophilia is a problem and that even one case is too many, but at the same time I'm conflicted because I've never known anyone who isn't totally hardwired to not have any sexual thoughts to anyone whom you would have to explain the concept of sex to in the first place.

In general though, I think we're moving backwards on sexual liberation as a whole rather than moving forward. Thankfully I don't notice it as much here in the Netherlands, where gay marriage has been fully legal for over a decade now and while there's still quite a way to go towards total acceptance, a significant part of us don't bat an eye when they see two men or two women in a healthy relationship. But that doesn't take away the fact that we still have arbitrary double standards regarding male and female "decency standards" and not to forget this is the year where we were all told the wondrous tale of how the female body has natural defenses that only kick in when she's raped legitimately. In fact, the mere existance of a term like "legitimate rape" is a sign that we as a society are not and likely never will be fully sexually liberated. At least not as long as we're still paying heed to cries from people who are somehow offended by certain concepts that they themselves will never have to deal with.