Sexuality; Double Standards

[pspman45]

I think that the world is becoming reverse sexist
the phrase "Its only wrong when A man does it" has come up a lot recently
I will list a few mainstream things that females have done and gotten away with, while a man would've been punished severely

1. Forcefully undressed a member of the opposite sex and put the video on youtube
2. made fun of a member of the opposite sex for having their genitalia removed with a kitchen knife

both of these made 4chan very angry
I agree with OP, its time for a shift of perspective

 

[artanis_neravar]

Sorry I missed your last paragraph. Unless I missed something (which is quiet possible) alimony only ends when the other person gets remarried. I could agree to alimony that is paid until the other person finds a job, as long as they can show that they are actually searching

It depends. When the judge decides the alimony, they decide the conditions too. You can have one that's a specific amount of time, or until a specific event happens (for instance during a separation until the divorce, or after a divorce until a remarriage) and you can state that it's only if the person make less than a certain amount. It's not always the exact same thing in every case. What if the person decided never to get married and then got a much better job and earned more than their spouse? It would make no sense for them to keep getting the money.

I think it's a family protection thing, that was probably put in place mainly for children (it's rarer to have alimonies with no kids involved) and then they're more about the responsibilities of the parents towards their kids, but I do think it makes sense to take the contract to heart (I mean marriage). It's something of significance and even after you stop being married, you can't just abandon each other, basically you're supposed to make sure each other can keep going with their life on their own, ideally. And I do think it makes more sense for the person who was in the relationship to still have some financial responsibility than for it to be the state's to pay (or in other words, the citizens').

I concede to your greater knowledge and I change my opinion accordingly. Although isn't child support supposed to be about the parents responsibility to their kids?

 

[artanis_neravar]

I think that the world is becoming reverse sexist
the phrase "Its only wrong when A man does it" has come up a lot recently
I will list a few mainstream things that females have done and gotten away with, while a man would've been punished severely

1. Forcefully undressed a member of the opposite sex and put the video on youtube
2. made fun of a member of the opposite sex for having their genitalia removed with a kitchen knife

both of these made 4chan very angry
I agree with OP, its time for a shift of perspective

Sharon Osborne made an on air apology for laughing at the scenario, exactly what anyone would expect from a man.

 

[zehydra]

what does my post have to do with pathetic wankers that cant get women? I think bringing it up just shows things about you, moreso than about them. shut up.

Why so hostile? All I did was add to your point. You got something right, but I believe there's a deeper motivation to it, which I then posted.

which is irrelevant to any point one may make. It doesn't matter why one makes a point, what DOES matter is the validity of said point.

 

[pspman45]

I think that the world is becoming reverse sexist
the phrase "Its only wrong when A man does it" has come up a lot recently
I will list a few mainstream things that females have done and gotten away with, while a man would've been punished severely

1. Forcefully undressed a member of the opposite sex and put the video on youtube
2. made fun of a member of the opposite sex for having their genitalia removed with a kitchen knife

both of these made 4chan very angry
I agree with OP, its time for a shift of perspective

Sharon Osborne made an on air apology for laughing at the scenario, exactly what anyone would expect from a man.

I don't think a on air apology forgives her actions
that was just plain sick

 

[zehydra]

People, keep in mind that this is largely an international website. When somebody says "society" they're probably referring to their own, which in no way speaks for everyone on this website.

If you want to say "society" just say in ______ (country)'s society...

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

If men are being told not to have sex, and women are being told to have more sex...

Are they mostly lesbians?

I mean, leaving aside the basic biology that men are able to have sex far more readily than women; and that gay men tend to be more sexually promiscuous.

How about we treat people as individuals, not gender based lifeforms?

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Sharon Osborne made an on air apology for laughing at the scenario, exactly what anyone would expect from a man.

Really?

Let's say Jeremy Clarkson makes a joke about disagreeing with a woman, so he drugs her, handcuffs her, lops her genitals off and shreds them.

Do you REALLY think he'd get away with an apology?

Especially when Hammond, say, tells him that he's a little bit sick, and he goes on to make a crass remark about how it looked like the intake of a GTI?

An apology would let him off?

Seriously?

Sharon Osbourne deserves to be fired and blacklisted. If you honestly find genital mutilation funny, then you are sick in the head.

 

[Stu35]

Sharon Osborne made an on air apology for laughing at the scenario, exactly what anyone would expect from a man.

Andy Grey got sacked for saying women wouldn't be as good as men at refereeing football (soccer) games.

Off Air.

It was over the media in the United Kingdom for quite some time. On the other hand, I never heard about the Sharon Osborne thing until this thread, and from what I can gather, she wasn't sacked.

One bloke made a slightly sexist joke to a mate off-the-air, one woman openly mocked a horrific crime in which someone was severely mutilated.

C'est la vie.

 

[Avistew]

Although isn't child support supposed to be about the parents responsibility to their kids?

It's possible that they are different in English. I know them as two categories of the same thing, and I thought "alimony" referred to the bigger group that included both. If it doesn't then the part about children obviously doesn't apply.

 

[Princess Rose]

Wondering people's opinions on this, all views and comments (within reason) accepted, let the talking commence!

As has been mentioned, it's a correction of the currently established double standard.

Also, I personally support no pants for anyone. Remember:

 

[AlAaraaf74]

I always thought it was like this: A man who has sex with a lot of women is a hero, but a woman who has sex with a lot of men is a whore.

I don't agree with that at all. I think if you have sex with a lot of people, male or female, then you're a whore.

 

[GraveeKing]

Babies are emotionally attached to the mother from birth, so it makes sense that the mother is more likely to get the child. The part that bugs me is when women assault men in the name of "self defense" when the man is just asking for directions

Personally I don't believe that - I've always grown up to prefer my dad and I've seen more than enough cases of friends who prefer their dad but a good majority live with their mums (or did at least). I do find it kind of bias - who says that every baby wants to just be with their mother? They're kids! They don't know much yet. It should be whomever has better responsibility and enough money to look after the child - but if we actually did do that then the statistics would even out more.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Ignoring all other instances of it, yet calling out women for it... well, no offence, but that's the definition of sexism, isn't it?

It's simply standard female humour in response to male incompetence.

It's not me being sexist.

Using your logic, if a friend or sibling does something to really annoy you, and you respond with something along the lines of "Fuck off, or I'll kill you!", does that immediately make you a sick fuck for threatening someone else with murder? If you get into an argument with someone down the local, and you say "Just bugger off or I'll rip your balls off!", does that mean that you're a psychopathic fuck who gets off on gore?

Using my logic, I understand that there's a huge difference between what is said to friends and what is broadcast to people who don't know the context. That's why slander and libel laws exist.

I also understand that simply sharing a chromosone with someone who has suffered doesn't pass on that suffering, or having the chromosone of a criminal makes me a criminal as well.

But most of all, I understand that for a society looking for equality, we're just finding new ways of making each other inequal.

Two X Good, One X Bad.

 

[artanis_neravar]

Sharon Osborne made an on air apology for laughing at the scenario, exactly what anyone would expect from a man.

Really?

Let's say Jeremy Clarkson makes a joke about disagreeing with a woman, so he drugs her, handcuffs her, lops her genitals off and shreds them.

Do you REALLY think he'd get away with an apology?

Especially when Hammond, say, tells him that he's a little bit sick, and he goes on to make a crass remark about how it looked like the intake of a GTI?

An apology would let him off?

Seriously?

Sharon Osbourne deserves to be fired and blacklisted. If you honestly find genital mutilation funny, then you are sick in the head.

She laughed at the mental image of a penis flopping around in a garbage disposal, she never joked about herself cutting off the genitals of a man. If Clarkson laughed at the mental image of some guy trying to flush a boob down the toilet, then yes a on air apology would suffice.

 

[artanis_neravar]

Babies are emotionally attached to the mother from birth, so it makes sense that the mother is more likely to get the child. The part that bugs me is when women assault men in the name of "self defense" when the man is just asking for directions

Personally I don't believe that - I've always grown up to prefer my dad and I've seen more than enough cases of friends who prefer their dad but a good majority live with their mums (or did at least). I do find it kind of bias - who says that every baby wants to just be with their mother? They're kids! They don't know much yet. It should be whomever has better responsibility and enough money to look after the child - but if we actually did do that then the statistics would even out more.

I said babies, once they start to grow older and can actually perceive what is happening things start to change. Personally if the kid is old enough to understand the decision they are making their choice should play a major part in the decision.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

she never joked about herself cutting off the genitals of a man.

I would just throw it in the dog's bowl.

Remember Lorraine Bobbet?

Love her. I light candles by her picture.

It's not that right to be sitting around laughing about it though. We wouldn't be sitting around laughing if they cut off her breast though.

It's different though. One's floppy and one *lost audio*. It's easy to do that.

 

[artanis_neravar]

she never joked about herself cutting off the genitals of a man.

I would just throw it in the dog's bowl.

Remember Lorraine Bobbet?

Love her. I light candles by her picture.

It's not that right to be sitting around laughing about it though. We wouldn't be sitting around laughing if they cut off her breast though.

It's different though. One's floppy and one *lost audio*. It's easy to do that.

Did she say "I would cut off the dick of my guy"? No she made a joke the same way that guys make jokes about what the woman's job is.

 

[classygangster]

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/3150-Solving-the-Sexism-Situation
yea pretty much

 

[Keava]

To quote my great favourite, Amanda Palmer from song Shores of California

And that is why a girl is called a tease
And that is why a guy is called a sleaze
And that?s why god made escort agencies
One life to live and mace and GHB


I think it shows the issue quite well. Why it's so? Because of how our culture developed, for many centuries man was allowed to do anything with female, it was his duty to act as alpha, to take and not ask. Then things started changing, a woman exposing her body is no longer considered a satan's bride (well, some still say that but let's leave extremes out of that), women became independent and along the right to vote they also received the right to refuse.