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Hey Joe

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Okay, so the Federal Government has released the budget and Wayne Swan has made his speech.

So, what did we all think of it?

Personally, I saw it as a "rob the rich, give to the old but re-define what old is while putting infrstructure on the national credit card" - kind of a budget. Must suck to be a 66 year old wanting to retire huh?

Anyhow, I'm curious as to all your thoughts.

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Beefcakes

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I like what they did with education, if I remember rightly, my school alone is getting a few million...
To bad I'm leaving at the end of this year.
Dammit... It's going to a new maths and science center too! Dammit...
But I enjoy a education of budget + 1, helps me in my future career of teaching it does it does
 

Hey Joe

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wpheloung12 said:
yo I have an australian citizenship, and all my relatives live there, and I visit them on an annual basis, do I qualify as being an aussie?
Do you have any thoughts on the Federal budget?
 

Labyrinth

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I ignored the television tonight in favour of less marketing bullshit and more homework. Perhaps, some time in the future, I will lower myself to partake of a succinct summary.

There will be RAGE.
 

LooK iTz Jinjo

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I didn't watch it, but I got the jist of what it contained. Seemed alright, they're trying to stimulate the economy in hostile environment and honestly I'm not to stressed about a $58 Billion deficit, not really much they can do anyways. I'm not rich so I don't care what they take from them and I'm not old so I don't care what they get, I did notice though that Single Mothers and Unemployed missed out (yes I care about unemployed as something close to 8% of the population now is...).

It seems pretty fair I'm not really sure what else they could do and I wish that Hockey and Turnbull would just stfu cos nobody cares what they think anymore, if people cared they would be in government.
 

Offworlder_v1legacy

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I'm 15 years old and couldn't care less about the economy, the problem is that it's so important I kinda have to pay attention, it's like learning genetics. But from what I've gathered I guess were "fuck for about 10 years but then everything will be ok"...not likely.
 

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Offworlder said:
I'm 15 years old and couldn't care less about the economy, the problem is that it's so important I kinda have to pay attention, it's like learning genetics. But from what I've gathered I guess were "fuck for about 10 years but then everything will be ok"...not likely.
this, except I don't pay attention. *skips away in blissful ignorance*
 

LongAndShort

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Offworlder said:
I'm 15 years old and couldn't care less about the economy, the problem is that it's so important I kinda have to pay attention, it's like learning genetics. But from what I've gathered I guess were "fuck for about 10 years but then everything will be ok"...not likely.
Na mate, we'll be fine.

I do economics at uni, and the government is fixing the economy in a way that is both proven and morally responsible. It may take a few years for us to get out of debt, but the important part is that they keep jobs and keep creating jobs.

Best thing they can do now is start getting the unemployed working on public works or get them in the public services. Once employment is back, demand will rise and the economy will balance out.

Relax.
 

Saskwach

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Scanning the overview (here [http://www.budget.gov.au/2009-10/content/at_a_glance/html/at_a_glance.htm]) here is a transcription of my reactions:

"The downturn will impact significantly on jobs, with unemployment peaking at 8½ per cent in 2010‑11."
You're trying to forecast unemployment? I'm already afraid of your economic nous, or lack thereof. When the best economic tools available today still couldn't be used to predict the Great Depression don't waste your breath prophesying unemployment figures.

"Stimulus and nation building investment"
Oh god. "Nation building". Sounds like "centralism" to me. Course the Liberals can't complain: Howard wasn't a "centralist", he was a "nationalist". Apparently "nation" is a close synonym to "central" in Australian English.

"The centrepiece of the Budget is a significant program of investment in nation building infrastructure, including roads, rail, ports, universities and energy efficiency."
There's that "nation building" again.
I note, though, that these infrastructure investments are being sold as stimulating the economy. When? Even after all the bureaucratic hurdles of getting major infrastructure projects off the ground, the things take a long time to build; the economic knock-on effects don't come into full-swing for years. I would note, though, that most of these infrastructure areas (in fact all I believe) are the purview of states to spend on. Oh? Nation building you say? Well alright then.

"The net measures in the Budget raise the level of GDP by ¾ of a per cent in 2009‑10."

There you go with your economic crystal ball again.

"Making the hard decisions

The Government has made the hard decisions required to deliver a fairer pension system and put the Budget on a sustainable footing."

"Hard decisions". That looks like another catch phrase we'll be hearing more of.

"Projected budget deficits have increased mainly as a result of the impact of the global recession on revenues. The Government's strategy is expected to see the budget return to surplus in 2015‑16."

More empty forecasting, but arguably more within the government's power to control. Of course, the 2015-16 is interesting. Two elections down the track? So you get to splurge with your conscience and hands clean until you're most likely out of power or on the way out the next time? That's handy.

[Skipping over the Key Initiatives since the figures made my head spin.]

"A pension increase of $32.49 per week for singles and $10.14 per week combined for couples on the full rate"

You know, a Hard Decision would be indexing pensions to inflation so that it could never again be a politicised issue. That way both the government and public would know right away whether pensioners really needed more money to keep up with prices, or whether they wanted more - and whether the government was giving them what they needed or more besides.

"A crucial boost of $2.7 billion in funding for tertiary education, research and innovation"

Ah, that bottomless money hole of iniquity and government spending.

"A 50 per cent Small Business Tax Break for eligible assets"

Interesting, though I can't comment from that sentence.

"Honouring our promise of tax cuts"

When governments honour campaign promises I get a little warm and fuzzy. Whether they were good or bad promises (no comment) at least we can be happily surprised that we're getting something of what we voted for.

"The global recession has stripped around $210 billion from expected tax receipts"

But you're charging on regardless I see.

"Running a temporary deficit and continuing important programs is vital to support jobs"

"Temptorary" meaning "About as long as we expect to be in government - and if we hang around longer we can blame any number of emergent factors".

"Necessary and responsible borrowing that is markedly less than other major advanced economies"

Absolutely less, or less in proportion to our wealth? I don't know myself but I suspect they're using the absolute sense as a cheat. Of course America would borrow more than we would to do the equivalent job.

"Budget savings of $22.6 billion over four years, including through vital structural reform"

Savings are always good, though I note that the savings are just over a tenth of what the government expects to be losing from new tax levels.

"Fully offsetting the cost of the pension package over time, notwithstanding the ageing of the population"

Sounds good, but how long is "over time"? Before the next pension package? If not, then you're not really offsetting it. Still I'm willing to be convinced.

There's some non-committal responses I left out, but negative's much more fun, and I'm mostly negative about the budget anyway. It should also be remembered that this is an overview I'm raving against; the nitty-gritty could be much better than it seems; but in my experience it rarely is. (It's not cynicism if it's true.)
 

Hey Joe

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My favourite has to be:

"Hey! More money for the aged pension yay!.....oh, we're raising the age of eligibility though"

Oh, and the proportionate borrowing line is priceless. Saying we're proportionally borrowing less against GDP than other nations, and that's okay, is like saying "Hey, I may have burned down that school but at least I'm not a war criminal...so it's okay"
 

Saskwach

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Hey Joe said:
Oh, and the proportionate borrowing line is priceless. Saying we're proportionally borrowing less against GDP than other nations, and that's okay, is like saying "Hey, I may have burned down that school but at least I'm not a war criminal...so it's okay"
No I didn't jump off a cliff just because my friends did! I jumped off a two-story building instead! Much more responsible.

I don't have any problem with the raising of pension age, though. It's about the only available response to a real problem. Of course, what would be another great response is to glue the pension to inflation levels so that this stupid f***ing bloody c***ing issue can never again be in the papers without old people saying "Yes we'd like more money in real terms." As it is, I'm never sure whether the extra money they're getting is just keeping up with inflation, or whether politicians are pitching more money at them to curry favour - or even if the boosts aren't keeping up with inflation.
 

Scarecrow38

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No surprises in the budget given the current circumstances. I never liked Kevin Rudd and I'd be curious to see what his supporters have to say now that he's lost us 50 billion dollars.