I know that its just i think having a fun game is more important then having historically accurate or good moral game.Yopaz said:That's because he's not a game reviewer.
I know that its just i think having a fun game is more important then having historically accurate or good moral game.Yopaz said:That's because he's not a game reviewer.
Well if you are reviewing a game you still need to look at moral aspects of a game, so that is never to be excluded. However Extra Credits was not reviewing the game so their opinions on the game was a whole are irrelevant for the video. Talking about gameplay would be like a game reviewer talking about the box art. No matter how interesting they make the box art review it doesn't affect the quality of the game.Azure9 said:I know that its just i think having a fun game is more important then having historically accurate or good moral game.Yopaz said:That's because he's not a game reviewer.
That is a good point, but I personally found games like Neverwinter Nights 2, Knights of the Old Republic one and two, and arguably Mass Effect to be more interesting, because while there was influence with the party members and so on, you could ignore the influence entirely and just do things your way, which was where the morality systems shined.lacktheknack said:Games like Dragon Age and Geneforge didn't have morality systems, they had an influence system. They were just as effective as any morality system, if not better.
This wouldn't be bad if it were just like a 'Call of Duty' style of story, where the plot is advanced by the gameplay, and as such it doesn't really matter what holds the gunfights together, as long as it plays well.Azure9 said:A world war 2 game where you play a nazi
That's kind of what I was referring to.Aegis A said:That is a good point, but I personally found games like Neverwinter Nights 2, Knights of the Old Republic one and two, and arguably Mass Effect to be more interesting, because while there was influence with the party members and so on, you could ignore the influence entirely and just do things your way, which was where the morality systems shined.lacktheknack said:Games like Dragon Age and Geneforge didn't have morality systems, they had an influence system. They were just as effective as any morality system, if not better.
And it added relative replay value, just to find out how things would happen if you went around kicking orphans in the shins instead of giving them lollipops.
Actually, come to think of it, I want to see a game where the morality systems uses an blue-and-orange morality, instead of a black-white.
For example, kick the orphans in the shins so they can't go on a bus trip to the place you are going to blow up or something abstract like that.
You sure about that?Swifty714 said:We all know of the game called 'Custer's Revenge'. This game, while still 8-bit
I suppose you make a valid point. I think 'No Russian' in MW2 is a better approximation to that of the level in WaW, as in that the Russians were killing soldiers that they considered to be responsible for the damage done to their homeland earlier in the war, 'No Russian' was about the mass murder of innocent civilians who were running for their lives.imahobbit4062 said:In World At War there was a part where you could burn Nazis soliders alive as they were surrendering. Even though they died regardless the choice was still there. Not to mention No Russian in MW2.Daffy F said:This wouldn't be bad if it were just like a 'Call of Duty' style of story, where the plot is advanced by the gameplay, and as such it doesn't really matter what holds the gunfights together, as long as it plays well.Azure9 said:A world war 2 game where you play a nazi
However, this would have to tip-toe around some nasty topics, such as being forced to execute jews, say, as some normal German soldiers were ordered to do during the war, or things in that area.
I think the reason games can't handle more mature content is because Games are designed to be escapist experiences, which are exciting, or fulfilling in some way. I don't think a game where you were forced to execute jews as a Nazi would be a particularly fun escapism, do you?
That said, I do think Games as a medium can probably handle more adult themes than they seem to be allowed in the current climate. I think this is because developers in general at the moment seem to prefer a guaranteed sale to any kind of thought-provoking deepness to a game.This is just plain ignorance and stupidity. Not every German Soldier was a mass murdering Nazi, and not every Nazi took pleasure in the killing of Jews. They were ordered to.Chalacachaca said:There's already games like that, for example you have Ethnic Cleansing, a game were you can murder blacks, hispanics, asians (I think) and finally jews. As WWII games were you play the nazis, I think RTS like Company of Heroes come close to that (of course, we get treated with german soldiers trying to defend their country instead of mass murdering nazis). As for sick fetish games, I think RapeLay it's one.
EDIT: I remember another morally poor game, but I'm not too sure about because I haven't figured out how to run it on my pc, it's called Harvester.
Yeah I know, that's why I stated that before someone would say that you could control a group of mass murdering nazis. There's still people who believe that germans in WWII were all evil psychopaths while forgetting groups like White Rose or the Edelweiss Pirates, and even certain germans who risked their lives just so they could help unjustly prosecuted people (not only jews, but also minorities, ethnic groups, non-heterosexuals, etc).imahobbit4062 said:I'm hoping for a Brother In Arms style game where you play as the Germans.That's a pretty poor example to come up with. Plenty of games have endings were the protagonist doesn't win. Plus it's a chance to show just how the losing German Soldiers were handling the end of the war.Yopaz said:Sticking to a moral code is stupid. However breaking a moral code too far will kill a game. If a game is clearly disgusting and appalling it makes a very small target audience so it's not worth making. There's also the ESRB that has to approve games before release. Manhunt 2 was almost never released at all.
However I don't see anything wrong with a World War 2 game where you're a Nazi, most soldiers were just doing their job. However most gamers want to be on the winning side. After completing ll the missions of a game and doing a good job of getting it right you don't want to lose the war you were fighting. Games based on real wars are usually trying to have a minimum of realism so Germany winning the war is ruled out.
That's because he's not a game reviewer.Azure9 said:I guess you are all right. These games would sell bad if they were mainstream. I am glad myself they are not. The reason why i thought of this topic was because i was watching an episode of extra credits and during this episode the narrator kept saying how horrible certain games were because they were historical incorrect or immoral. Oddly I wasn't thinking that, I was thinking about when will he get to the part about how bad or good the gameplay was and he never talked about that part.
The game he was talking about was call of juarez the cartelIn World At War there was a part where you could burn Nazis soliders alive as they were surrendering. Even though they died regardless the choice was still there. Not to mention No Russian in MW2.Daffy F said:This wouldn't be bad if it were just like a 'Call of Duty' style of story, where the plot is advanced by the gameplay, and as such it doesn't really matter what holds the gunfights together, as long as it plays well.Azure9 said:A world war 2 game where you play a nazi
However, this would have to tip-toe around some nasty topics, such as being forced to execute jews, say, as some normal German soldiers were ordered to do during the war, or things in that area.
I think the reason games can't handle more mature content is because Games are designed to be escapist experiences, which are exciting, or fulfilling in some way. I don't think a game where you were forced to execute jews as a Nazi would be a particularly fun escapism, do you?
That said, I do think Games as a medium can probably handle more adult themes than they seem to be allowed in the current climate. I think this is because developers in general at the moment seem to prefer a guaranteed sale to any kind of thought-provoking deepness to a game.This is just plain ignorance and stupidity. Not every German Soldier was a mass murdering Nazi, and not every Nazi took pleasure in the killing of Jews. They were ordered to.Chalacachaca said:There's already games like that, for example you have Ethnic Cleansing, a game were you can murder blacks, hispanics, asians (I think) and finally jews. As WWII games were you play the nazis, I think RTS like Company of Heroes come close to that (of course, we get treated with german soldiers trying to defend their country instead of mass murdering nazis). As for sick fetish games, I think RapeLay it's one.
EDIT: I remember another morally poor game, but I'm not too sure about because I haven't figured out how to run it on my pc, it's called Harvester.