Silverspetz said:
1: He can brainwash people so that they believe following him is the right thing, but they will still act like themselves in any other respects. Hence why Selvig made a fail-safe because when you are building a very dangerous machine, having a fail-safe is pretty smart. You can see this in how the brainwashed characters talk about how they feel. They are not mindless zombies that blindly obey they have just been completely convinced that they are doing the right thing by following Loki. And he may be able to do make a clone fairly fast but he was still given more time with Coulsson than with Hulk, and Coulsson didn't smash him through a window at high speed first either.
I don't think anyone really talked that much under the effects that I can recall. Hawkeye never said much, and Selvig only said like a sentence or two. Again, they're both just hazily defined powers with the purpose of the writers being able to do with them whatever the plot calls for.
2: So they are just going to take Banners word that shooting him won't do anything to the Hulk and give up? Like I said they apparently only pulled guns on Banner when they believed he was already about to turn (at which point calming him down won't help much) or against the hulk at which point they are panicked and will probably shoot to distract him if nothing else. I don't really recall anyone trying to use a gun on the Hulk actually.
They pulled a gun on him every time his voice went above a quiet tone. He bangs his hands on the table, and Widow freaks right the fuck out with a gun in his face. Thank god he was just proving a point to her. So yeah, I definitely thought it was ridiculous that they would automatically jump to that point. And if no one TRIES to use a gun on him, then what was the point of even threatening to use them? You can't intimidate the Hulk. All they're doing is escalating the tension, and since the Hulk is an unstoppable killing machine, escalating the tension is the LAST thing you want to do, regardless of how close he is to turning.
3: I still wouldn't call that "being in control" seeing how he still has minimal intelligence and massive rage. His "control" only extends so far that he can go from "crush everything" to "crush those guys, help these guys".
It's not "being cool as ice" control, but being able to identify friend from foe definitely says control. Intelligence is not a requisite for control, and, if his massive rage is easily directed or held in check, then it minimizes his characterization as a monster and the necessity for his isolation.
4: And again, what makes you think they HAVE that many soldiers to send out after they just got their asses handed to them by Loki's followers? Even if they still have tons of technicians to spare they can't send those guys out to fight alien hordes now can they?
Yes, I can tell you that a woman with handguns can do that but a dozen agents can't. You know why? Because while the soldiers will fire their machine-guns straight into enemy lines only to have the bullets bounce off their armor 9 times out of 10 (rockets and grenades would work, but they can't fire those constantly), the Widow will fire precision shots with her small handguns that ALWAYS hit their target all while jumping around, dodging (because some cover is gonna work sooooo well against weapons that can cassulay blow cars sky-high) and using takedowns on the aliens in order to take their own weapons and use them against their owners.
Meanwhile, Hawkeye is good enough with a bow to fire an arrow across three blocks and have it twist and bend around obstacles before finally nailing the target moving at high speed in the eye and make it crash into three other enemy vehicles. Those dozen guys with rifles and their supersonic bullets can't even begin to compare.
Do you get it yet? Widow and Hawkeye are there because their skill at handling conventional weapons make them one-man/woman armies compared to regular soldiers. You seem to think that they are only slightly better than top-class and that a few armed men will be just as good or even better than they are.
Oh, and Cap did take a plasma blast to the gut and got up again. He doesn't just stand like a statue with his shield and hope that the enemies won't get the idea to aim outside of the bullseye.
An aircraft carrier typically has a complement of 5000 troops on board. That includes all support personnel, soldiers, pilots, officers, etc. Now lets say just 1/10th of that number is dedicated solely to soldiers. That's 500 troops. Loki's attack was like 20 guys, and it was only in one section. So let's be generous, and say Hawkeye killed a ton of people that we didn't see and there's only 200 people left. That is still a company worth of soldiers.
Now, as for their effectiveness, I'm very glad that Hawkeye and Black Widow have gone far and beyond normal people's abilities because of the ability to defy physics and accurately put small caliber rounds into alien physiology while jumping around. And I missed the part in Captain America where super strength translates to plasma no longer melts all of your tissues, or how being super agile means your arm won't get ripped off at the socket if you leap onto a super fast hover bike by planting your knife into an alien's back.
As for their high-caliber rounds bouncing harmlessly off armor, apparently small-caliber pistol rounds work just as effectively when fired into non-vital areas of the aliens' anatomy (I'm assuming they armored their vital areas), so there's no reason an Mk 48 can't just spit out a wall of bullets and take at least two or three down.
Face it dude, movies have plot holes. Every movie has plot holes. And comic book movies especially have plot holes because the source material likes toeing the line between what looks cool and the downright ridiculous. It doesn't mean this movie is any less fun to watch; and it doesn't mean that this movie is more perfect than anything else that came before it. Get over it.