And the thread is now over as I can no longer take anything said here seriously. Curse you!Grouchy Imp said:
Should the death sentence be used more?
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No, of course not! The death penalty is fucking ridiculous. Murdering someone because they murdered? Yeah, no. That's not fucking hypocritical at all...
Murder's far too easy for the criminals. It's a cheap, easy way out. Have you ever been in jail before? It's far worse than death.
Murder's far too easy for the criminals. It's a cheap, easy way out. Have you ever been in jail before? It's far worse than death.
If you're innocent [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innocence_Project#Wrongful_convictions], you can be exonerated and released. Resurrected not so much.ninjastovall0 said:
"In the last 9 years, 266 people previously convicted of serious crimes in the United States had been exonerated by DNA testing. Almost all of these convictions involved some form of sexual assault and approximately 25% involved murder."
It bothers me that people can be so gung-ho about stepping up the death penalty when the reality is that you will be killing innocent people. How can you be casual about that? What does it accomplish? The death penalty is clearly not a deterrent [http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/deterrence-states-without-death-penalty-have-had-consistently-lower-murder-rates], so you'll allow hundreds of innocent people to be killed for... what? Some individual's sense of vengeance?
An eye for an eye? Really? I'd refer you to Matthew 5:38-5:39 - "You have heard it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also". Or if you HAVE to go back to the Torah, how about thou shall not motherfucking kill.
Religion aside, the death penalty kills innocents and those capable of redemption. It does not deter crime. It's barbaric and a national disgrace that we haven't abolished it yet.
This. Sentencing someone to death is murder. It doesn't matter whether they killed hundreds of people or any other crime. Remember that someone has to kill that person, which in my book makes them a murderer too!Ekonk said:
Not really. If you've got a dog with rabies you don't lock it away for the rest of its life you have it put down before it can hurt someone. Not out of some higher moral standing of putting it out of its misery but because you're afraid it will cause harm.LegendaryGamer0 said:
I'm not claiming to be morally correct on this situation. I'm saying that people who do stuff like the Manson murders scare the ever loving piss out of me and I feel the world is a safer place if they just cease to be instead of sitting on their duff in prison. Where it's possible some bleeding heart ninny will start campaigning for their release after a few years of their life sentence.
The death sentence isn't a deterrent, and it's more expensive I believe to keep people on death row for years on end, going through huge numbers of court cases to try and get them off it.
Then, of course, there are the cases where people have been wrongly accused. You may not be able to give a man 20 years of his life back, but at least he'll get some years after that. Once you're dead, that's it. At best you can hope for a posthumous pardon, big fucking whoop.
And finally, when you seem to think society is becoming more barbaric (it's not, but let's roll with the hyperbole), what makes it better to then have the government and judges killing people too?
What's that saying? 'An eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind.'
Then, of course, there are the cases where people have been wrongly accused. You may not be able to give a man 20 years of his life back, but at least he'll get some years after that. Once you're dead, that's it. At best you can hope for a posthumous pardon, big fucking whoop.
And finally, when you seem to think society is becoming more barbaric (it's not, but let's roll with the hyperbole), what makes it better to then have the government and judges killing people too?
What's that saying? 'An eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind.'
I think we should bring it back for repeat offenders because obviously they're never gonna learn so kill them now I say. Also some people say the death sentence expensive. It isn't, all you need is one bullet, it's fast and painless.
No. To be honest I'm against the death penalty as a whole and a lot of people would call me on that but I have one argument that I will never back down on and that is a simple question: how many innocent people have been found guilty and sent to the chair? Surely there must have been at least one. When you put an innocent person in jail you take away their freedom but the prisoner at least has the hope he may be found innocent and released and they get to keep their lives. when the justice system executes an innocent man , whether they know of his innocence or not, they commit manslaughter, a very serious crime and that reflects poorly on them and makes them look like hypocrites in the eyes of some.
There is no reason to keep career criminals around those who have multiple violent convictions should be put to dead. This is not to stop other people from committing these crimes but to permanently remove these elements from society. They add nothing and take away lives and businesses. Those people who don't believe that there are crimes worthy of execution simply are not paying attention. We are in no way short on people or in need of anything a criminal can give, so we should get rid of them. Prisons don't work, you can send even non-violent criminals there and they will come out more violent. You cannot help these people, you can't turn them around, you cannot redeem them. It is time we simply let go of them completely.
I'm going to say what I always say when this subject comes up for me.
You don't murder an animal, you kill it. There are some people who do such unspeakable things that they do not deserve the right to continue living in our society. That being said, I also don't like the system we have for the death penalty. It's expensive and takes forever. I'm not going to claim to know how to fix it, but...short answer, I support the death penalty in principle, but not the system it's used in.
You don't murder an animal, you kill it. There are some people who do such unspeakable things that they do not deserve the right to continue living in our society. That being said, I also don't like the system we have for the death penalty. It's expensive and takes forever. I'm not going to claim to know how to fix it, but...short answer, I support the death penalty in principle, but not the system it's used in.
In America a life sentence can be as short as 15 years (depending on the crime). It can also mean permanent imprisonment but in most cases it refers to a minimum time of imprisonment without hope of release or parole.CODE-D said:
They're kept on death row for so long on the off chance they may be found innocent (though, again, if that's the case they should remove the penalty altogether imo).Swny Nerdgasm said:
So what're you proposing? You don't get the right to appeal when the redneck local judge bangs the gavel, you just get two in the head?Aeshi said:
I don't want to face a firing squad because I boned the mayor's daughter, he flips & coerces her to cry rape and oh BTW the mayor is hunting buddies with the judge of the local district court. "Paperwork" could certainly be streamlined, but this "legal stuff" is ultimately for our own protection.
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You are comparing an entirely different situation. Even then, I would do it out of the former, not the latter.
But, then you are doing it for a selfish reason, which is even worse.
And, I'm a "bleeding heart ninny", but even I would not campaign for their release, because they pose a very real and eternal threat to others. But that is still no reason to kill them. Unless they start escaping and begin killing even more, there is not a reason even remotely close enough to warrant such an action that basically amounts to murder. :/
The Bullshit! episode I posted earlier basically explains my stance. :/