Should We Ban Killer Robots?
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Your graph shows the numbers of deaths, yes. But the point at hand was the number of wars they have failed to stop.Lunncal said:
It goes back to that old Doug Stanhope bit about how ridiculous it is that 'wars' have 'rules':
I mean, the cliche about "AI becoming self aware and then killing humans" has a point, the AI isn't pissed because we're all sunshine and rainbows.
What a fucking joke, the irony (or hypocrisy?) is nutcrushingly painful to witness. "Yeah, we're going to invade and brutally kill a country's population but we do it with RED, WHITE N' BLUE FULL BLOODED PATRIOTS, NONE OF THIS GIRLY ROBOT SHIT.
I mean, the cliche about "AI becoming self aware and then killing humans" has a point, the AI isn't pissed because we're all sunshine and rainbows.
Call me a cynic but if you think we, as a species, will ever have 'peace' or 'utopia' then you haven't been paying very much attention...Evil Smurf said:
Although you're right on the capitalism thing. I'd argue that it dwarfs the holocaust in the amount of suffering and murder its caused, directly or indirectly.
Edit: I can't quote to save my life.
Pretty sure that's the ridiculously idealistic community, kind of the opposite actually. I suppose we should write off seatbelts as a failure too? They merely reduce deaths in crashes by about a factor of 2 after all, not even close to the reduction in conflict deaths.albino boo said:
No, the point at hand was you saying that the UN "hasn't worked well so far", which I disagree with. I've never claimed it was perfect, but when deaths in war have hugely, hugely decreased since its creation I'd say it has seemingly worked very well so far. Would you say washing your hands before surgery "hasn't worked well so far" because of the number of people who still die from infections?008Zulu said:
Edit: Fixed the broken quotes.
??????? Be serious now please.DerangedHobo said:
Capitalism: an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.
Are you suggesting in the same breath an acknowledgement of humanity's selfish imperfect nature and the belief we would be better off if communism replaced capitalism? A system that has never failed to commit genocide on massive scales (china, korea, cuba, russia)? A communist government (The very human people who rule them) controls literally all aspects of your life?
Is our system of capitalism without flaw? $%^&* no but the problem isn't capitalism, which is just the right for people to own things. The problem is our implementation of it because the idea of a state run totalitarian utopia is just so insane... Although it would end the killer robot debate because we would soon be too busy eating eachother to build anything more complicated than bows and arrows.
Death sentence without trial?BloodRed Pixel said:
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Isn't that the definition of warfare?
Your confusing how people use tools with the tools themselves. Yes, drones are a more effective means of killing and justifiably terrifying weapons. But they are not bringing any new horror to war. It's always sucked to be on the receiving end of a more powerful and advanced countries army.
No, I'm not suggesting that. I never made the claim that an alternate system was better, merely the declaration that we're all selfish cunts by design and regardless of any fleeting 'peace' or prosperity you have at the moment, that will be subject to change in the coming generations anyway.Stupidity said:
....No shit? Are you saying that I implied that ideas kill people? Although I do agree that when applied to humanity, capitalism will just degenerate into the horrors we've seen in the past and are now seeing today.
Relating to the previous point of your argument, I don't really understand what you're getting at. It seems like you make statements about communistic societies/governments, talking about how the governments in question were degenerates (which is true) but then you seemingly defend the idea of capitalism, stating that the problem here is the 'implementation'. Surely the argument could be made that, if properly implemented, communism could work as well? I mean, I don't believe that because fuck humanity but I'm sure that point is there.
As an aside, I do find it amusing that you imply that capitalism gives you freedom when I really couldn't disagree more. The capitalistic societies we live in (as well as the governments who run them) have complete and utter control over you. If you go against their agenda, you're screwed, if not you're just another statistic. Your value is completely based on how much money you make. Capitalism is one big pyramid scheme, 'trickle down diarrhea'.
Edit: Typo
Whoa, we going into 'free market' territory? Fuck that. Seeing the shifty shit corporations get into now that seems like a horrific idea. Honestly, it seems like kinda of a 'no true scotsman' claim you're making. Consumerism, corruption, corporate culture etc. is kind of a logical stepping stone from 'capitalism'. It all goes back to the basic idea and I'd argue that even in a 'pure' form, capitalism doesn't grant freedom. Humanity is flawed and institutionalizing capitalism just seems like a good way to get the rat-race, degenerate corporate wasteland that we have now.Stupidity said:
I think Charlie Brooker says it better than I ever could:
Not at all, that's a false dichotomy. Capitalism (or, if you'd prefer, everything that comes with it) is horrible. It is another method of control, shiny chains sold with catchy slogans. Stating that doesn't mean that I want the gubment to come and take my shit on top of that, they already own everything I have anyway. I am completely sub-servant to their whims and decrees.