look at animals almost all of them eat meat. Now look at Humans almost all of them eat meat.
It's a good balance, so why you should feel guilty about it?
It's a good balance, so why you should feel guilty about it?
Should you feel guilty for eating meat?
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Question: Should I feel guilty for something my body compels me to do that doesn't affect anyone's life in a negative manner and I have been conditioned by society to accept?
Answer: No.
I don't see why people get so worked up over this; nobody that can rightfully complain gets hurt by eating meat so why not eat meat?
Answer: No.
I don't see why people get so worked up over this; nobody that can rightfully complain gets hurt by eating meat so why not eat meat?
I could Godwin's law that argument pretty hard. If we start categorizing what life is important and what life isn't, we start to approach a damn slippery slope. Beyond that, if your concern is making sure that something doesn't experience pain and suffering, then shouldn't you be placated if slaughterhouses find a truly painless way to kill? Wouldn't that end your argument? If you feel that wouldn't be enough, why?maninahat said:
It's not and I feel taking those things on assumption leads to inconsistency. You have to come up with a criterion for what you believe in, some way to judge actions, before we can say whether something is more right or wrong. You can't assume I or anyone shares the same beliefs you do.
Side note, I don't feel there is a major moral difference between killing animals and killing plants, especially if you find a painless way to kill animals.
Right, it isn't available yet. However, understanding what it is and that it is on the horizon can lead to us doing the simple thing of accepting that living by taking life is not morally acceptable for creatures as intelligent as we are and that this, our inevitable future, is where we can reach our moral peace, not in vegetarianism.
As a Native, I have to say no, to all the people who say we don't need meat to survive, you're mistaken. I fall to pieces if I go without meat for a day. I frequently inform my brothers girlfriend that despite her vegetarianism, every animal she saves I eat two of ^_^. In any case, we've evolved to EAT meat, our brains thrive on animal fats, our bodies burn fat for energy, carbs just get piled on in your fat which is what generally leads to people becoming so obese. It's not just junk food, it's the so called healthy food that screws us over as well...And honestly, even IF meat wasn't essential to human growth, I still wouldn't feel bad about eating meat. I fully intend to hunt my own meats in the coming years because of the shit state that the meat corporations are in, poisoning cows with oats/corn instead of grass, chickens being so poorly treated, milk being pawned off as being a good thing etc. Quite frankly, I don't care if an animal feels pain or has personalities, I don't draw a line in the sand that says that meat is bad because another being had to die for my survival. My life>Your life and anyone or anyother animals, end of.
Hahahahahaha! Oh. You were serious. My bad.
OT: Of course not! That's just nature. Survival of the fittest and what not. I certainly don't feel bad if I eat meat. Maybe I'm weird but no way should you feel bad about eating meat.
OT: Of course not! That's just nature. Survival of the fittest and what not. I certainly don't feel bad if I eat meat. Maybe I'm weird but no way should you feel bad about eating meat.
Not quite, though that would obviously be more ideal than a painful method of slaughter. It isn't just the killing floors that bother me, but the whole farming process from beginning (beginning with artificial insemination and the culling of male infants) to the end. In fairness to farmers, many already try to make the whole process as painless as possible. But even if we managed to create a perfectly painless method of farming, it doesn't solve another problem I haven't even brought up yet.jboking said:
The other (bigger?) problem comes with breeding animals to die in the first place. It is no less than ruthless exploitation, and anyone who eats meat is complicit in this exploitation. Had it been inflicted on humans, we'd immediately see how this is wrong. I don't place plants in the same strata as animals, but I do place animals in a similar strata to humans, or at least, similar enough to make me feel guilty about putting animals in that situation.
Everyone can relax; I have the ability to talk to animals. They all told me they actually love getting killed and turned into food for humans, and they wish humans would stop trying to impose their own morals on them. They also wanted me to ask why this topic keeps coming up again and again when it is entirely opinion-based, and the two sides are NEVER going to agree.
To respect the ways of nature we must treat all food sources with dignity. Animals and plants both have life in some form. So long as we take what we need, respect where our food comes from, and remember that we are also part of the food chain than it is fine.
I can eat the deer so long as the lion can eat me. It is a natural chain that connects us all, and we must treat it accordingly, with reverence and humility.
I can eat the deer so long as the lion can eat me. It is a natural chain that connects us all, and we must treat it accordingly, with reverence and humility.
Plants react to physical stimuli the same way any other organism does, they just don't have similar methods of communicating it as we see with animals.
Humans eat meat. This is indisputable fact. It's what our appendix was for. Some critical B-vitamins in the human diet can only come from meat sources. A major evolutionary advantage that favored humans to the savanna we first grew up in was the simple fact that while not the fastest animal, or the best protected, humans were capable of extreme endurance.
So no, eating meat is nothing to feel guilty about. At the moment the US can still get away with stupid frequencies of protein consumption up shooting 200% of what you realistically need in a day, but some day in the coming centuries as human populations continue to grow and arable land deceases sources of meat that are inherently inefficient (its something like 4 pounds of grain spent per pound of cow- and we don't even eat the whole thing) are going to become much more luxury items than anything else.
Humans eat meat. This is indisputable fact. It's what our appendix was for. Some critical B-vitamins in the human diet can only come from meat sources. A major evolutionary advantage that favored humans to the savanna we first grew up in was the simple fact that while not the fastest animal, or the best protected, humans were capable of extreme endurance.
So no, eating meat is nothing to feel guilty about. At the moment the US can still get away with stupid frequencies of protein consumption up shooting 200% of what you realistically need in a day, but some day in the coming centuries as human populations continue to grow and arable land deceases sources of meat that are inherently inefficient (its something like 4 pounds of grain spent per pound of cow- and we don't even eat the whole thing) are going to become much more luxury items than anything else.
Oh look, it's this thread again. I guess it was due for its fortnightly appearance.
Alright, let's check the list.
-People making absolutely stupid arguments on both sides...check.
-Everyone disagreeing and eating whatever they want...check.
-Nothing coming out of the discussion that we haven't seen before...check.
Yep, always good to see this one.
Alright, let's check the list.
-People making absolutely stupid arguments on both sides...check.
-Everyone disagreeing and eating whatever they want...check.
-Nothing coming out of the discussion that we haven't seen before...check.
Yep, always good to see this one.
Oh please, are you actually trying to say that you can't state which life is more valuable than others? Bacteria are living, tiny organisms that you're killing probably millions of a day. I'm pretty sure that most people would make a distinction between that and an animal dying.jboking said:
Also, pain and suffering doesn't have solely to do with how painful your death is. Plenty of these animals are kept in confined areas and pumped with hormones for their entire lives. If you've ever owned a pet imagine them being in situations like that. Pigs are pretty intelligent animals, so you've got something around the same level of intelligence as a dog or cat being kept in conditions like that for their entire lives.
Having a reaction to physical stimuli and having a BRAIN is a huge difference. The difference being one is actually capable of experiencing pain while the other just has an automated response.acosn said:
I forget who it was, but someone had a very good response to this a couple pages ago. He brought up the Naturalist Fallacy which has to do with the assumption that just because something's natural means that it's right.acosn said:
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Here it isAl Baker said:
The simple answer that I tend to give is that eating meat and other byproducts of slaughter isn't necessary.
As proved by the fact I'm still alive after ten years of vegetarianism, and the fact the OP didn't eat meat until his late twenties. And in fair shape.
Since I don't have to eat that stuff, I choose not to.
For various reasons. Environmental. Ethical.
As proved by the fact I'm still alive after ten years of vegetarianism, and the fact the OP didn't eat meat until his late twenties. And in fair shape.
Since I don't have to eat that stuff, I choose not to.
For various reasons. Environmental. Ethical.
I eat meat. We raise and keep animals. We hunt. We kill animals for their meat. It's very natural, and the animals live good, comfy lives by all accounts.jboking said:
In Vitro Meat is, in short, a horrible abomination. Well beyond the fact that it's a bit too costly, I think it's a complete and utter idiocy. It's a new dimension in overcomplicating things, and I have severe issues with it. I like Tofu or other "ersatz" sources of good nutrients, but In Vitro Meat is even more bollocks than, say, Quorn, which consumes way too much power to basically just grow mold in vats. With lifestock, you have living creatures around you that open your horizon to other ways of living, other ways of perceiving things. In the meat industry, I think it's important to have someone like Temple Grandin around, and people are becoming aware of how certain things are inacceptable and suck beyond all the nasty and gory descriptions.
I think what is most important in this chapter of your argument is this: In Vitro Meat is not, it's declared concept is that it would be this and that. I personally think it's a complete waste of everything, and an unnatural abomination.
Humans are only omnivores because they can think.s28 said:
A human who solely eats vegetarian will become weaker and sick eventually a not well planned vegetarian diet will kill you.
Humans are meant to eat meat so it's justifiable in that alone.
Take a good look at the vegetarians you know in europe most of them are pale and a lot of them need to take supplements to stay healthy?
Supplements, you can see it in the word itself.
It's supplying something you're not getting somewhere else as a vegetarian.
I can deal with vegetarians who are vegetarian because of animal cruelty, but people who think eating meat is not "justifiable" need to get off their high horse and look into some decent biology.
Originally plants made us sick but we adapted to them.
Basically a vegetarian is poisoning himself (He is susceptible to diarrhea, paleness, Iron and other deficiencies in the blood. and more)
Do you take supplements or have any health issues (And when I say ANY I really mean ANY)thylasos said: