SimCity Trailer Shows Off Pre-Order Incentives

Strazdas

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Draech said:
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Try the same argument, but instead of MMO's use Dungeon Defenders, L4D, Dota or any racing game. While they can be enjoyed by themselves there is a boon in playing with others through their design while you are perfectly capable to play them by yourself.

The problem is that the long builder type of strategy havn't had success with implementing multiplayer.

Where the examples I used before there were 2 methods of making multiplayer in design. Cooperative play and competitive play.

Both those methods run into a problem with a long build type due to the games being so long. It is hard to have a coop or competitive game if a game session will take 7 hours to complete (example from Settlers).

However Minecraft found a method around the problem of long cooperative play in that they had static servers that hosted the projects. Sim City 5 uses that principal. Having a third party for point of reference. This makes for the cooperative build as a valid game design for Sim City. Now before I have a feeling know what direction you mind is going and that is "minecraft still has a singleplayer so Sim City could as well" And that more or less comes down to the technical aspects and financial constraints. Like I said the original post you quoted "2 completely different builds in order to make it work singleplayer as well as multiplayer.". Minecraft was for quite a while 2 different builds. If you scale that up to the size of Sim City 5 and then add the difficult of handling security for millions of users rather than a whitelist of 24 people, then you should see it is a time and resource constraint that prevents the new Sim City from having an offline mode.
While you do get the gist of it, what you fail to realize that people playing long builder types do so because they want to play them in singleplayer. Hotseat is great, because it allows you to save it. COnstant server (aka minecraft) is terrible. The only servers in minecraft where any cooperation happens is the ones where you can lock down the buildings from being destroyed, and that negates the need of "cooperate or crime will spill" that simcity 5 has. For "lnog builder types" multiplayer is the addon option for those few people that want to try it. its not a primary feature that sim city 5 wants to make it.
Yeah, so you confirm that this was a failure on the developement part to focus on multiplayer aspect isntead of making ti a singlepalyer. yes they are different builds, but this is taking a singlepalyer build and showing it into multiplayer the way thier doing it.

P.S. 7 hour settler matches were fun. though playing civilization 4 on marathon and huge map can get tediuos. we played for a week and still havent finished it. thats over 50 hours for one match. we still dont regret that :) and thats becasue it was a hotseat, so we were doing more than gaming.
 

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I guess we just have completely different tastes and we will have to leave it at that then.
Still flipping a IP on its heels removing fans from old sim cities is not the way to go in my opinion, ergo make this a new ip.

IM glad to hear about region scaling down to 2 cities, that make it a bit better.
 

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Oh look, more bitching. This is getting old...fast.

OT - Yay. I for one will enjoy the ever loving fuck out of this game.
 

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Deathfish15 said:
To want to "load" because you've messed up on a specific aspect of your city is kind of a weak thing to do.
Oh yeah, and XCOM is a weaker game for providing difficulty levels other than Iron Man.

Blunderboy said:
Oh look, more bitching. This is getting old...fast.

OT - Yay. I for one will enjoy the ever loving fuck out of this game.
Until the servers are inevitably shut down by EA. Yay!
 

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Raiyan 1.0 said:
Deathfish15 said:
To want to "load" because you've messed up on a specific aspect of your city is kind of a weak thing to do.
Oh yeah, and XCOM is a weaker game for providing difficulty levels other than Iron Man.

Blunderboy said:
Oh look, more bitching. This is getting old...fast.

OT - Yay. I for one will enjoy the ever loving fuck out of this game.
Until the servers are inevitably shut down by EA. Yay!
In like 5 years time. Yay.
 

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Raiyan 1.0 said:
Deathfish15 said:
To want to "load" because you've messed up on a specific aspect of your city is kind of a weak thing to do.
Oh yeah, and XCOM is a weaker game for providing difficulty levels other than Iron Man.

Blunderboy said:
Oh look, more bitching. This is getting old...fast.

OT - Yay. I for one will enjoy the ever loving fuck out of this game.
Until the servers are inevitably shut down by EA. Yay!
XCOM =/= Sim City, completely different genres. XCOM is a TBS (Turn Based Strategy) and Sim City is a Simulator. XCOM is all about making militaristic decisions in a combat situation, where as Sim City is about building houses and a city. Disasters are completely option in Sim City, as they can be turned on or off at will by the player Mayor; be that the case, if you decide to turn them on, then whatever consequences that derive from the situation would be your responsibility to fall on without a "Load Save to point where didn't **** up" button.
 

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Deathfish15 said:
Raiyan 1.0 said:
Deathfish15 said:
To want to "load" because you've messed up on a specific aspect of your city is kind of a weak thing to do.
Oh yeah, and XCOM is a weaker game for providing difficulty levels other than Iron Man.

Blunderboy said:
Oh look, more bitching. This is getting old...fast.

OT - Yay. I for one will enjoy the ever loving fuck out of this game.
Until the servers are inevitably shut down by EA. Yay!
XCOM =/= Sim City, completely different genres. XCOM is a TBS (Turn Based Strategy) and Sim City is a Simulator. XCOM is all about making militaristic decisions in a combat situation, where as Sim City is about building houses and a city. Disasters are completely option in Sim City, as they can be turned on or off at will by the player Mayor; be that the case, if you decide to turn them on, then whatever consequences that derive from the situation would be your responsibility to fall on without a "Load Save to point where didn't **** up" button.
When he compares XCOM to Sim City its not about comparing gameplay aspects, he nvr did that. He's talking about the ability to load up a save when things get bad. In XCOM you lose one too many soldiers becuase your distracted or wasnt thinking then you want to reload, just like in Sim City when you want to destroy your city to shreds and reload back to where you were to continue building after destruction is out of your system.

It's not about weakness. It's a simulator. This isnt a hardcore test of your abilities (though you can make it if you want it to be) its a simulator. You know, to simulate things. Some things you wanna see happen but just dont want them to be part of your city permenatly. Mabey you want crime to be rampant so you can see the new cop recuits clean up the streets, mabey you want a huge fire to sweep the land, mabey you want to keep your town but destory all the casinos only so as to make it a different city specilization but with the same layout without all the busy work of starting from scratch.

Idk if there wont be a manual save so we can roll back the clock when we satisfy our curiosity but i sure hope so and if not well its just a matter of being more careful about what we do is all. No city simulator runs on what seems to be a very beautiful and high potential glass box engine so im all in. Not a fan of orgins or all this dlc business but i want it anyway.
 

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Yeah, I was excited for this game a while ago. But then, after hearing about the "modern ideas" they are going to implement in the game (forced cloud saving, Diablo3-like single player DRM, etc) and seeing the path they took with the Sims franchise (tons of microtransactions and whatnot) I kinda decided to skip this one -- do that "vote with your wallet" thing for once.
 

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Blunderboy said:
Raiyan 1.0 said:
Deathfish15 said:
To want to "load" because you've messed up on a specific aspect of your city is kind of a weak thing to do.
Oh yeah, and XCOM is a weaker game for providing difficulty levels other than Iron Man.

Blunderboy said:
Oh look, more bitching. This is getting old...fast.

OT - Yay. I for one will enjoy the ever loving fuck out of this game.
Until the servers are inevitably shut down by EA. Yay!
In like 5 years time. Yay.
Yay for expensive rentals!
 

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Raiyan 1.0 said:
Blunderboy said:
Raiyan 1.0 said:
Deathfish15 said:
To want to "load" because you've messed up on a specific aspect of your city is kind of a weak thing to do.
Oh yeah, and XCOM is a weaker game for providing difficulty levels other than Iron Man.

Blunderboy said:
Oh look, more bitching. This is getting old...fast.

OT - Yay. I for one will enjoy the ever loving fuck out of this game.
Until the servers are inevitably shut down by EA. Yay!
In like 5 years time. Yay.
Yay for expensive rentals!
Doesn't bother me and I'm buying it.
You're not buying it and you're more bothered than me.
Logic?
 

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Blunderboy said:
Raiyan 1.0 said:
Blunderboy said:
Raiyan 1.0 said:
Deathfish15 said:
To want to "load" because you've messed up on a specific aspect of your city is kind of a weak thing to do.
Oh yeah, and XCOM is a weaker game for providing difficulty levels other than Iron Man.

Blunderboy said:
Oh look, more bitching. This is getting old...fast.

OT - Yay. I for one will enjoy the ever loving fuck out of this game.
Until the servers are inevitably shut down by EA. Yay!
In like 5 years time. Yay.
Yay for expensive rentals!
Doesn't bother me and I'm buying it.
You're not buying it and you're more bothered than me.
Logic?
I've already watched one big PC franchise, Diablo 3, go down the drain recently going always online. Don't really want to see another one end up the same, with the consumers' full support. You're damn sure I'm worried.

Anyway, good luck with your purchase. Hope you don't face too many Error 37s.
 

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Raiyan 1.0 said:
Blunderboy said:
Raiyan 1.0 said:
Blunderboy said:
Raiyan 1.0 said:
Deathfish15 said:
To want to "load" because you've messed up on a specific aspect of your city is kind of a weak thing to do.
Oh yeah, and XCOM is a weaker game for providing difficulty levels other than Iron Man.

Blunderboy said:
Oh look, more bitching. This is getting old...fast.

OT - Yay. I for one will enjoy the ever loving fuck out of this game.
Until the servers are inevitably shut down by EA. Yay!
In like 5 years time. Yay.
Yay for expensive rentals!
Doesn't bother me and I'm buying it.
You're not buying it and you're more bothered than me.
Logic?
I've already watched one big PC franchise, Diablo 3, go down the drain recently going always online. Don't really want to see another one end up the same, with the consumers' full support. You're damn sure I'm worried.

Anyway, good luck with your purchase. Hope you don't face too many Error 37s.
I'm going to take this at face value and say thanks. :D
 

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Blunderboy said:
Raiyan 1.0 said:
Blunderboy said:
Raiyan 1.0 said:
Deathfish15 said:
To want to "load" because you've messed up on a specific aspect of your city is kind of a weak thing to do.
Oh yeah, and XCOM is a weaker game for providing difficulty levels other than Iron Man.

Blunderboy said:
Oh look, more bitching. This is getting old...fast.

OT - Yay. I for one will enjoy the ever loving fuck out of this game.
Until the servers are inevitably shut down by EA. Yay!
In like 5 years time. Yay.
Yay for expensive rentals!
Doesn't bother me and I'm buying it.
You're not buying it and you're more bothered than me.
Logic?
I can still load up my original Sim City 2000 and do for a laugh every now and again because it still rocks, (Go Darko Arco :)).

Just Sayin.
 

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KelDG said:
Blunderboy said:
Raiyan 1.0 said:
Blunderboy said:
Raiyan 1.0 said:
Deathfish15 said:
To want to "load" because you've messed up on a specific aspect of your city is kind of a weak thing to do.
Oh yeah, and XCOM is a weaker game for providing difficulty levels other than Iron Man.

Blunderboy said:
Oh look, more bitching. This is getting old...fast.

OT - Yay. I for one will enjoy the ever loving fuck out of this game.
Until the servers are inevitably shut down by EA. Yay!
In like 5 years time. Yay.
Yay for expensive rentals!
Doesn't bother me and I'm buying it.
You're not buying it and you're more bothered than me.
Logic?
I can still load up my original Sim City 2000 and do for a laugh every now and again because it still rocks, (Go Darko Arco :)).

Just Sayin.
Given that I'm sure an offline crack or the like will be out by then, I'm sure people will find a way. Thanks.
Besides I doubt I'll be playing it for 5-10 years anyway.

What I am looking forward to though it no longer having to listen to people tell me that I'm wrong, when I really don't care what they think.
 

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Blunderboy said:
KelDG said:
Blunderboy said:
Raiyan 1.0 said:
Blunderboy said:
Raiyan 1.0 said:
Deathfish15 said:
To want to "load" because you've messed up on a specific aspect of your city is kind of a weak thing to do.
Oh yeah, and XCOM is a weaker game for providing difficulty levels other than Iron Man.

Blunderboy said:
Oh look, more bitching. This is getting old...fast.

OT - Yay. I for one will enjoy the ever loving fuck out of this game.
Until the servers are inevitably shut down by EA. Yay!
In like 5 years time. Yay.
Yay for expensive rentals!
Doesn't bother me and I'm buying it.
You're not buying it and you're more bothered than me.
Logic?
I can still load up my original Sim City 2000 and do for a laugh every now and again because it still rocks, (Go Darko Arco :)).

Just Sayin.
Given that I'm sure an offline crack or the like will be out by then, I'm sure people will find a way. Thanks.
Besides I doubt I'll be playing it for 5-10 years anyway.

What I am looking forward to though it no longer having to listen to people tell me that I'm wrong, when I really don't care what they think.
Fair enough, but keep in mind there have been hints some of the simulation is server side, so I highly doubt there will be an offline crack (even so should you have to go to that effort for a game you bought?).

There is no one right or wrong here, you may play the game for a year then dump it, fair enough, but there are a lot of Sim-City fans who are still playing 4 after all this time (really because there are not many of this kind of game about), and the thought of the chance that this new one could be "shut down" after even a decent amount of time is very hard to swallow.

I still stand firm with the unreliable internet crowd too, some people just don't have a decent connection, I am lucky where I am, but I have friends that certainly don't have a reliable connection, especially in bad weather (usually when you want to game).
 

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I like how they took a well constructed franchise and destroyed it in nearly every aspect. Thanks EA for destroying my childhood. Maxis don't deserve this.
 

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I met a guy who works at Maxis last week. I mentioned how I am excited for the new Sim City. He said, "Ooof. You might want to stay away from it. It's a mess." while his GF(also in the game industry) nodded her head in agreement. So I'm gonna steer clear.