Six Days in Fallujah Bad, "Family Friendly" Wii Shooter Good!
- Thread starter Andy Chalk
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That still doesn't make them terrorists. That makes them enemy soldiers. Also, how many of these people are shooting at them because they've invaded their home city? If that makes them terrorists, then... wow.archvile93 said:
Also, I'm totally getting this (if it comes out outside of America, I'd guess not...). I need to see what a Family Friendly Marine trainer looks like.
Well said, and I agree.Shoes said:
This is not to bash you, but the sentence "civilians killed in Fallujah were unharmed" probably violates a few laws of physicscainx10a said:
. I hope what you wanted to say was "civilians supposedly killed in Fallujah were unharmed".I understand that the game is offensive and there are good arguments for not having it published, but why are people bashing Atomic Games for making it?
But why do they even need an excuse? Isn't this a good indication that capitalism is working? I think it's only logical that someone jumps on the profiteering gravy train in a capitalist society, especially since society has demonstrated repeatedly that money outweighs ethics any day.cainx10a said:
I would still like to play Six Days in Fallujah, just to experience what the developers have created.
1. Thanks for the laugh, I needed it. =DPingieking said:Shoes said:
This is not to bash you, but the sentence "civilians killed in Fallujah were unarmed " probably violates a few laws of physicscainx10a said:
I understand that the game is offensive and there are good arguments for not having it published, but why are people bashing Atomic Games for making it?
2. Yeah, I would actually play this game since I have this very bad habit of spending more money than I really should on video games. Already placed 3 pre-orders in one week, and after the l4d2 trailer, I feel like ... uh ... never mind. Must, Resist, Urge, To, PRE-ORDER!
Forgive my possible rant, but I wish to broadcast something to the naysayers of "Six Days"...*Ahem* This game was made at the request of and with the help of the marines who fought in the battle. Now if the United States Marine Corps doesn't have a problem with it, who the hell are you to argue!?!
Again, I apologize for the rant.
Again, I apologize for the rant.
Of course, because people don't want to be bothered by someone else's problems. Let them deal with it. I'm gonna go take out my stress on some zombies. Why would someone buy a game that makes them realize how screwed up it is in Iraq, in the real world?
And 'exploiting the deaths' of Germans isn't horrible? The Germans weren't Nazis, either. During World War Two, the entire Nazi party had around 8 to 9 million members. The total population of the Third Reich exceeded 83 million.cainx10a said:
Historians estimate the German civilian war deaths to be in the range of 300,000 to almost 3 million. Look up the firebombing of Dresden. 25,000 civilians were killed in one night.
The Germans killed 50,000 British civilians during the Blitz.
I bet you never heard about how the airborne divisions executed prisoners so that they wouldn't delay their advance. How about after the war when the soldiers would go through towns, and drag out alleged Nazis into the street and blow their heads off?
Did you ever hear about the Bataan Death March? Where 75,000 US and Filipino POWs were forcibly marched 50 miles without food or water, and anyone who fell behind or helped a failing prisoner was either run over, beheaded, or shot?
What about Russia, where historians consider 13 million civilian deaths a seriously conservative estimate?
And of course there was Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Iraq can't hold a candle to World War Two.
War is hell, and it always has been. Civilians will always get caught in the crossfire. It's just what happens. If we can let a developer turn a 7 year World War that was fought across 2 oceans, and 3 continents, and seen more atrocities than we care to remember into an endless romp of fighting undead german soldiers, then I think we can allow a game developer to try to make a 'serious' game about Iraq. Or not, apparently.
I hope my previous post didnt come off as offensive as I meant non, but seriously as Silenthunter7 said "War is hell" and as some cool voice over guy said "War, War never changes"
The fact of the matter is you could take any War big or small and twist it to your liking make it seem just and unjust for whom ever, and ofcourse if there was a game made about it, complain.
I mean as gamers how many times have we stormed the beach of Normandy, slaying German soldiers left and right kicking ass and taking names on the French countryside, Without a second thought or look back? Too many times if you ask me......Now we replace the French countryside with some dirt and sand, make it a bit more modern and its suddenly wrong? People especially those critical of video games need to take a step back and realize the huge hypocrisy their positions are:
Its okay to kill Germans and Japanese by the virtual dozens but switch it to virtual guys with towels on their heads and we have a huge problem? Cmooooooon
The fact of the matter is you could take any War big or small and twist it to your liking make it seem just and unjust for whom ever, and ofcourse if there was a game made about it, complain.
I mean as gamers how many times have we stormed the beach of Normandy, slaying German soldiers left and right kicking ass and taking names on the French countryside, Without a second thought or look back? Too many times if you ask me......Now we replace the French countryside with some dirt and sand, make it a bit more modern and its suddenly wrong? People especially those critical of video games need to take a step back and realize the huge hypocrisy their positions are:
Its okay to kill Germans and Japanese by the virtual dozens but switch it to virtual guys with towels on their heads and we have a huge problem? Cmooooooon
Even read about how the Russians were having a rape party after the fall of berlin, but time changed, and War changed. There sure haven't been a body count as high in recent conflicts (if you ignore those never ending conflicts and other 'incidents (hint: pogroms) in other part of the world) but that doesn't change the fact that people who shouldn't have been involved in the skirmishes were losing their lives not only because of lies also fantasies as good as they may sound considering Iraq's past (freedom and democracy, replacing the evil dictator that was put there in the first place by the same people invading).SilentHunter7 said:
The Iraqis who died at Fallujah were not trained soldiers like most of the German soldiers you get to fight in Call of Duty and what's not. Some probably felt they had to defend their homes after 17 civilians and many others were wounded during a peaceful protest, and 2 more deaths in another protest related to the first incident. (small numbers, maybe, but hey, even if ONE person died, it would have still been a tragedy). War is hell, but these people didn't ask for it.
Point remains that in CoD4 you are fighting against trained grunts of Al-Asad's armies, and not a bunch of civilians who were grabbed on the street, or who were compelled to join Al-Asad's little coup d'etat.
I rest my case, I did thoroughly enjoyed other games that used Iraq as a background, the first two Global Conflict: Desert Storm (which had an awesome co-op feature), even Soldier of Fortune (I do recall you could blow Saddam head off), and Insurgency (HL 2 mod). Even if Insurgency does use resistance fighters, insurgents, ultimately civilians turned 'soldiers', it does take a neutral instance over the conflict, which I really doubt a western developer would have been able to do specially in the case of Six Days' claim to be from the perspective of the 'liberators'.
But whatever, I'm done discussing this.
Seems to me that, terrorists or not, they still want me dead and have the means to make it happen. That's reason enough to kill them in my opinion. Look, I know Blackwater was a bunch of morons with guns and they should never have been used, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't shoot back. Plus, based on the way I read events, There were no Iraqi soldiers fighting at that time. It was Americans vs Iraqi insurgents. Are you going to tell me they were just defending their homes? That they were not terrorists? Might I remind you that these same people we were fighting burned four people alive and desecrated their bodies, while the victims were delivering food.Chipperz said:
Not wanting to be a total nerd, but in Dante's Inferno, hell (Atleast the bottom most circle) is a freezing lake.