Skill or predestination?

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What was this world we live in built on, Man's skill or God's predestination?

 

[Abedeus]

Series of random events + manpower. And firepower.

 

[Aries_Split]

Series of random events + manpower. And firepower.

Pretty much this.

 

[Talon_Kale]

Mans ingenuity and determination to improve made this world what it is. I find the idea that everything is predetermined a somewhat depressing thought.

 

[Baby Tea]

Oy vey. Another religion-esque thread?
And this one strangely resembles the Armenian Vs. Calvinism discussions that go on these days.

Knowing the forum as I do, the majority will say Man's skill.
Any Calvinists will no doubt say predestination.

I, however, will say man's skill, with God's common grace.

I will now leave this thread, since I'm sure it will just end up in another, petty religious debate.

 

[Ancientgamer]

Man's skill that god gave us.

 

[Cpt_Oblivious]

The end may be predetermined, but the journey is not. As we haven't reached our end yet, none of this was predetermined.

 

[Hippobatman]

Series of random events + manpower. And firepower.

Good point, indeed.

As I do not believe in God, I'd say that our planet was brought to existance by coincidence, and Man's skill to adapt has made the world what it is today, both good and bad.

 

[TwistedEllipses]

The world itself - chance. Civilisation - man and chance.

To sum up: chance is pretty dominant.

 

[Archaon6044]

our need to survive, and have a bigger collection of sharp sticks and rocks than the other guy

 

[ioxles]

Self hypnosis and free thought.

Just the way it has always been.

 

[Abedeus]

Mans skill that god gave us.

Which God? Jahwe, Allah, Ganesh, FSM, Nuwa, or maybe one the Norse or Greek gods?

 

[Cpt_Oblivious]

Mans skill that god gave us.

Which God? Jahwe, Allah, Ganesh, FSM, Nuwa, or maybe one the Norse or Greek gods?

Thor made me do it

 

[Specter_]

Series of random events + manpower. And firepower.

Good point, indeed.

As I do not believe in God, I'd say that our planet was brought to existance by coincidence, and Man's skill to adapt has made the world what it is today, both good and bad.

Man has no skill whatsoever to adapt. Man has only the skill to a) change his surroundings to his well-being (eg irrigation) or b) to facilitate other beings to his well-being (eg kill other animals and use their hide for warmth)

 

[Chickenlittle]

Series of random events + manpower. And firepower.

Series of random events + manpower. And firepower.

Pretty much this.

And politics.

 

[Abedeus]

Mans skill that god gave us.

Which God? Jahwe, Allah, Ganesh, FSM, Nuwa, or maybe one the Norse or Greek gods?

Thor made me do it

No damn it, it was Odin. He's omnipotent, Thor only has lightning and weather control.

 

[Cpt_Oblivious]

Mans skill that god gave us.

Which God? Jahwe, Allah, Ganesh, FSM, Nuwa, or maybe one the Norse or Greek gods?

Thor made me do it

No damn it, it was Odin. He's omnipotent, Thor only has lightning and weather control.

Odin's taking the day off because it's snowing.

 

[KeithA45]

Nature vs. Nurture essentially, right?

I actually thought up this elaborate argument on the train this weekend about this topic, but it can pretty much be summed up to this:

It's both

 

[SecretTacoNinja]

God's predestination? Are you kidding me?- NO NO NO! Not getting involved! Bad Taco!

Goodbye.