What is stopping you from playing them?GonzoGamer said:
Unless you're an OCD perfectionist, I don't know what the issue could be thats their fault.
Skyrim 1.4 Update Hits Xbox Live
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Unless you're an OCD perfectionist, I don't know what the issue could be thats their fault.
Sweet merciful Jesus, I didn't realize there were that many bugs. I knew there were a lot but god damn. Bethesda seriously needs to work on their beta testing skills.
I don't care though as long as i'm able to play the damn game without it freezing every five minutes. I'm on the PS3 version and my save file just went over 10,000 MB today so it's been happening really frequently. Hopefully they fixed the issue i'm having that quest were you kill that Kumatu guy for the redguard woman in Whiterun. I killed the bastard and it's not registering him as dead so I can't complete the quest, and I hate having it cluttering up my quest menu.
I don't care though as long as i'm able to play the damn game without it freezing every five minutes. I'm on the PS3 version and my save file just went over 10,000 MB today so it's been happening really frequently. Hopefully they fixed the issue i'm having that quest were you kill that Kumatu guy for the redguard woman in Whiterun. I killed the bastard and it's not registering him as dead so I can't complete the quest, and I hate having it cluttering up my quest menu.
What's stopping me? Complete freeze ups.Knight Templar said:
I usually can't go for 20-30 mins in New Vegas without freezing. Same with Fallout 3 after getting the dlc.
So unless you have OCD and feel compelled repeatedly giving your console the ol hard shut down, that should not be acceptable. I don't expect perfection out of a big open world game but when the devs keep having the same exact problems (that stop the game in it's tracks) plague their titles over and over again, I think it shows more than technical incompetence, it shows disregard for the consumer as well.
San Andreas was a messed up game but it's still one of my favorites, so I can be patient with technical issues, especially with ample content. But constant hard shut downs stop the fun, especially now that the ps3 does a system scan.
GonzoGamer said:
Your hardware is either broken or not completely compatible with the software; not the companies fault.
Bugs exist, in all games. Throwing your arms up in the air and refusing to play a game because it has bugs, is silly.
I completed FO3 in 2008.. DLC later on. I completed New Vegas shortly after it was released too.
You can dooooo it!
Oh yeah and... Bethesda is awesome. They have a bad reputation for bugs, but they don't deserve it. imo.
And that?s why when I do eventually get Skyrim, it will be for the pc. The modders can fix the PC version but (considering the Fallout games still have these same problems) it seems Bethesda couldn?t give a crap about any of the versions once they get their money.Dendio said:
Your clinical case of denial not withstanding, the hardware has nothing to do with it. People have the same problems on new state of the art PCs, as well as new consoles with plenty of drive space. You need to make up a better excuse for them than that because I?ve been hearing that since Fallout 3 and it gets more lame every time I hear it.michael87cn said:
I completed Fallout 3 too but I had to get the PC version and mod the hell out of it. The modders saved that game, Bethesda abandoned it.
*shrug* Never ran into any glitches that made any of their games unplayable for me. Early Fallout series on PC. Elder Scrolls on 360 and PS3. Fallout 3 on both. New Vegas on PS3. Skyrim on PS3.
Occasional, super rare, crashes. Odd little quirks from time to time. Nothing that ever made me angry. Rarely disappointed.
Much more frequently overcome with joy at how enjoyable the games were.
Now Brink and Hunted on the other hand.....*shakes head glumly*
Occasional, super rare, crashes. Odd little quirks from time to time. Nothing that ever made me angry. Rarely disappointed.
Much more frequently overcome with joy at how enjoyable the games were.
Now Brink and Hunted on the other hand.....*shakes head glumly*
I think the peoblem might be on your end there, have you made any other efforts to solve the problem beyond sitting back and waiting for it to get fixed? (not trying to insult you there, if I expected a patch to fix things thats what I might do)GonzoGamer said:
(looks at list)
Bugger, looks like "The Forsworn Conspiracy" is going to be broken for me for a while longer...
Bugger, looks like "The Forsworn Conspiracy" is going to be broken for me for a while longer...
Are you seriously saying a closed system that Bethesda specifically developed for having incompatible hardware with their game is his fault?michael87cn said:
If Bethesda's software is incompatible with the PS3's hardware then it absolutely is Bethesda's fault for releasing the game on it.
This isn't a case of Bethesda not being able to account for all infinity +10 driver/video card devices in existence. This is a closed system. You buy a PS3 and you open the box and inside is a PS3. This isn't like a PC where every single customer's machine is totally different.
Holy shit is this some Stockholm syndrome! "Throwing your arms up in the air and refusing to play a game because it has bugs is silly"? Are you serious? He just said these are bugs that make the game impossible to play. You're saying "You're silly for refusing to play a brick that pretends it's Skyrim". Then you're saying it's his fault that Bethesda sold him a brick and labeled it Skyrim.
Again, I understand that in the world of PC gaming and Mac/Unix systems, a company can't be prepared for 100% of user hardware. But they developed for a console. Every console ever was sold with the expectation that they all have the same hardware, except in specific clearly defined cases (lack of a PS2 motherboard in the Slim, bigger hard drives in some, etc).
If they could not deliver their product to the medium, they should had never tried. I'm not upset that Skyrim doesn't play in my front loading 'toaster' Nintendo Entertainment System. But I'd be damn upset if they sold me one and said it would and it clearly doesn't.
They have a reputation for bugs because they produce buggy products, and they deserve every bit of their reputation. You even admitted that you play the games despite the bugs; that's fine. But don't pretend they're not there.
This isn't a single isolated case of weirdness or user error. This is the case of scores of gamers unable to play this game. That's terrible.
And saying that, it's OK because the game that doesn't play at all's scope was meant to be huge? That's a sorry as hell excuse. If you payed me to build you a house and I built a single wall and called it quits, and said "It's OK you only have a single wall for shelter, because my plans here called for a towering mansion." would you be OK with that?
Because that's basically the scenario here. "Well, it's OK that you payed for a house and only got a single wall. I saw the floor plan, and it was gonna be awesome. And Damien occasionally even finishes a house and they're pretty cool too. Too bad you didn't get jack squat for your money though!".
Because if that's a legit business model, I can draw a really sweet ass floor plan for a house, and charge you $100,000 dollars to have me not build it for you. Your non-existent house will have rockets and shit. It's cool though that I can't build a house for shit, because the scale of that house was gonna be epic.
Wow.
If this was an isolated incident, I could see thinking it was the user's machine at fault, but this is a problem that a bucket full of people have had time and time again with the same company's games.Knight Templar said:
So that suggests the problem is on Bethesda's end. Either that or a lot of PS3's got a very specific hardware fault that somehow only ever effects Bethesda games, and is somehow worsened by DLC.
@ Thread as a Whole: What Bethesda needs to do is threefold, and it'd solve the problem on the cheap. They need to swallow their pride and open up the console on the X-Box and PS3. Many of the bugs, those not pertaining to lag or outright unavoidable crashes, can be solved with the console.
"But some people will get trophies they didn't earn"; too bad. Having a game be playable is more important than having the game meaningfully assign a few trophies to a person. Besides, with the difficulty slider the way it is, getting most the trophies on a non-bugged copy can take no time at all on the lowest difficulty for any player that even slightly abuses alchemy. The trophy issue is a non-cause.
This isn't Battlefield 3 where console 'cheats' ruin the experience for everybody involved. This is a single player game. In absolutely no way unless I'm a giant baby, is my gaming experience ruined by you cheating in your own game.
If it fixes problems with quest flags thousands of gamers are having and costs basically nothing to do, do it.
Quest flag bugs are the number one reason I can't play this game anymore, for fear of doing some quest or another and 10 hours later finding out on the wikia that some NPC is glitched out and I can't continue. It's a constant fog of fear that everything I'm doing will be for nothing that destroys this game.
Opening up the console would greatly alleviate this, and I'm sure it would for many people. It's not a perfect fix (a perfect fix would be these bugs being gone in the first place), but at least people don't get hit by a brick wall of a quest.
The second fix, is to accept help from the community. Bethesda, at least on their PC side, seems to pretend to really give a darn what the community builds or makes, so let's make use of that resource. If these guys are giving out their mods for free that fix these things, and it costs Bethesda basically nothing to have them produced, and it repairs their image as a sensible, community friendly, and bug fixing company, that's win/win. Throw some T-Shirts and a few free trinkets out and make it a contest if you have to. It's basically free PR and a mostly free bug update all in one.
Third they need to implement some way to 'drop' quests and restart or reset the quest. This will fix a lot of buggy journal entries, as well as allow the game to randomly re-roll quest objectives in the case where it gives you a buggy quest to kill somebody that's already dead or something similar.
...Wait, bookshelves? They didn't fix the Oghma Infinium glitch, did they? Crap. Hope they didn't fix that. That would be terrible.
Finally! That quest was the only thing stopped me from getting the damn house in Windhelm. It's the only house that I don't own. Plus I heard it's actually nicer than the one in Windhelm.Andy Chalk said:
Now I can get it and add it to my collection.
Version 1.3: I couldn't play for 20 minutes without a system lock-up, and framerate was horrible.
Version 1.4: I played for five hours straight with no bugs, no slowdown, no freezes.
Bethesda is almost forgiven for their previous fuck-ups with this game (i.e. patch 1.2 and patch 1.3)
Version 1.4: I played for five hours straight with no bugs, no slowdown, no freezes.
Bethesda is almost forgiven for their previous fuck-ups with this game (i.e. patch 1.2 and patch 1.3)
Oh.Knight Templar said:
You're assuming I play all my games on the PC.
I should (as that seems to be the only place left where you can play games that work on a machine that doesn't brick or charge extra fees) but unfortunately I got suckered into buying a ps3 this generation and when I get a new game my wife generally prefers I get it for the console.
So yes, When I do eventually get Skyrim (goty at this point), it will be for the PC because the modders will be the only ones who will actually get it working. On the console (as we can see here) you're at the mercy of Bethesda and based on my experience, they aren't very merciful.