Skyrim Child Killing Mod

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Unesh52

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To respond to several prevailing ideas at once:

I'm not going to object to the first part of the argument, because it's true for a lot of people. A lot of kids taunt you and such, and were they to act in a similar way as adults, many players would probably decapitate them for their insolence on the spot. (I am a little alarmed at how willing people are to justify their lust for child murder in terms of how much they feel the children deserve to die, but that's just unsettling, not really an objection.) But why does no one talk about the sweet children? Like that little boy who gets picked on by Braid (Baird?) in Whiterun? Half of them talk about their dreams of inheriting the family business when they grow up, and how fun it is to work in the forge or whatever. They don't all kick your shins and run away.

It is certainly a problem that a child can serve as an immortal witness to your crimes, however. That's a good reason to want to kill kids and a good reason to allow it. Otherwise it creates a weird situation where the player character is a necromantic, daedric worshiping thief trying to assassinate a local shop owner, and he can't because the kid is nearby. There's no plausible character reason he wouldn't just kill them both so there are no witnesses, so the fact that the game won't allow it forces him to break character.

This is the simplest objection to child killing to reject. This is a game that allows thievery, desecration of corpses, animal cruelty, and of course murder of almost any other variety. How the ability to kill children going to make this game offensive in a way that all this other stuff does not? I can literally grab a mace, walk down to the market, and decapitate an old lady right there. She was certainly as innocent and harmless and pointless to murder as any child, yet the ability to kill her does not weigh heavy on the conscience of the developers. It's strangely selective reasoning and I don't buy it.

The explanation for this is that Bethesda could be accused of creating a "child killing simulator." By the exact same logic, Bethesda can already be accused of creating an old lady killing simulator. Has it not been because people simply don't care about the elderly? Now, I know that people are capable of getting worked up over nonsense, but that's what we're for. We provide the good press and the responses to the bad press that allow thoughtful, reasonable games to be made. The capacity of pundits and talking heads to get angry about silly things they don't like didn't prevent them from including same sex marriage in game - why should this be any different?

Yay organization!

 

Techno Squidgy

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I approve of this mod. Some of the player's motives, certainly not. If a dragon is going to come down from the sky and ruin fucking everything, I want it to ruin fucking everything. If the parents are smouldering corpses then the kids should be smouldering corpses. unless of course they were in a cellar or something...
 

Qitz

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Now what would be hilarious is if that mod let you loot kid sized cloths so your guys running around in size 6 pants and shirts.
 

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Ultratwinkie said:
That is a far cry from my tabletop games. I was banned from ALL flying machines because the dungeon master feared I would pull a 9/11 on the nearest government castle. I also tried to steal corpses to start a cyborg zombie army regardless of what the body was.

The tabletop was a game written by a friend, it was in beta and allowed anything you could imagine. So what did i make? Chickenwing, the tech specialist who tries to make a cyborg zombie army. He also had a flaw that made ALL contraception fail 100%. That was an actual perk/flaw in the rulebook.

What can I say? I am a horrible person. Your party would have walked out in moral objection when I play. The party I was with was just as bad. The party's female kicked me in the nuts then mugged me in the first five minutes of the actual game.
Hehe, currently the party has 1 x experimental airship (think Battlestar galactica but made from magic wood/metal), 1 x gunship/dropship, 4 x fighters + slowly accruing crew for them and there current allies are a nationless special forces regiment.

My players are getting super-paranoid about WTF all this heavy firepower is for, a few of them have recognised images I used for enemies they only glimpsed so far (Tau from warhammer and goauld from stargate) .

Campaign = Eberron/X-com/Stargate crossover madness :)

Oh and they are only just hit level 5!

/edit oh and at least one of the players has realised that the setting features powered armor since they ran into um...well a very angry redheaded female in a big red robot...I still need to make the house rules for that shit though...
 
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i think this is perfectly played, if bethesda allowed it in their games, you know for a fact that stupid Politically correct nazi's would have a field day with it at fox news and such, however it was an easy fix for some modders and bethesda took the high road on it with that bitchy twitter post.


i see nothing wrong on either side with this..
 

kyogen

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Mad World said:
kyogen said:
I'm fine with Bethesda drawing a line with its internal development and letting modders do whatever they want. I suspect most people think the same, including the modders. Is this really an issue?
I'd say so; not everyone is playing it on PC. I'm sure that there are plenty of console players who are very annoyed by the fact that children can't be killed.

If a developer is too scared to allow children to be killed, then they shouldn't have them in the game... at least in a game like Skyrim.
I see your point, but if they don't have children running around, everyone just complains about how unrealistic it looks. Oh well. I'm playing Skyrim on the PS3 right now while I wait to upgrade the pc. I have no problem with the mod or with my current lack of access to it. It's just not one of my gripes about the game.
 

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Just one more post from me as food for thought, then I'm leaving this thread (some of the people on it kind of scare me). For the people who actually WANT this mod, and the ones simply defending it:

You really see no difference whatsoever between killing an adult and killing a child? You can't think of any difference?

If you can't, then you really and truly freak me out.
 

Pebblig

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I'm pretty sure that a game probably can't be published if it features child killing (BBFC, PEGI etc). Due to the fact it's considered ethically wrong. It's most likely the kind of thing that you'd need to have removed in order to get an age rating. The only way of making a game you can put anything into if it's free so it doesn't have to be classified.

I suppose if you want to put it another way, can you name a game that has child killing in it that is paid and has been released in the last 5 years?

I'm not surprised the mod is already out:

Two mods I expected in 1-2 weeks:
- Nude mod.
- Child Killing mod.

If people wanna do it they'll do it in a game you can't stop them lol.
 

AnarchistFish

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I'm pretty sure it's illegal in some countries to play a game that involves kid-killing. Not really sure the justification for it though apart from just the assumption that it's wrong.
 

Kelethor

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its a mod. if you want it installed to murder those annoying little shits, go right to it. if youd rather have immersion breaking children survive dragon attacks and werewolf rampages, then don't install it.
 

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urprobablyright said:
We'll aren't you all high and mighty. If only the world had more people to judge us and tell us what we can and can't do or watch as entertainment or what we watch and do is wrong.

I'd do the same and call you some faux-morality policing bible thumper, but that group is all about beating children. But I will say this, you certainly sound like you should be in PETA, saying that having the option for children to die, not even necessarily by your own actions, is tantamount to endorsing child abuse is the same line of thinking that gets "magical raccoon suit from a leaf = endorsement of killing animals. Oh and let us not forget this is a game where you can kill everything and anything else, but you cry "think of the children!" Hypocrite.

People who make those claims are freedom hating filth who try to crap all over freedom of expression by making sensational and poorly thought-out-connections just because they don't agree with it. Please, go back to the 50s, you'll fit right in there.
 

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Davih said:
No one better kill the kid you can play Tig with, Spent about an hour playing Tig with him. He's cool, leave him alone. He's in solitude. Be nice!
I've just seen a video at the end of an IGDaily that involved him getting eaten by a werewolf. Needless to say, it was a little awkward. Especially with the Skyrim Theme tune blasting in the background.

captcha: war assmoces? Is that ye olde butcherede englishe for War is Hell?
 

DRes82

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urprobablyright said:
There's a term for this in the movie world: "Exploitation movies", movies that are full of ridiculous scenes just for appeal (see: The Human Centipede, A Serbian Film) You guys just want some hideous abandon as far as I concern no reasoning about the fact that it is simulated takes away from the fact that you patronize simulated child abuse.

I tend to think that this is an attempt at trolling, but I'll respond anyways. I didn't have much feeling towards this topic either way, although now that I think about it...watching a village get strafed with fire from a dragon and seeing the unharmed children walking among the flaming remains of their elders is pretty jarring. It damages the immersion.

It should be noted that I had a fairly stable high school experience with many friends and a couple of girlfriends. I am now currently a husband of 5 years and the father of a six month old boy. That said, I'd still like to axe that digital representation of the little bastard who assumes I've come to 'lick his father's boots' in Dragonreach. I've not read a more judgmental load of drivel on the Escapist since I've been here. Thanks to your post, I'll be checking this mod out asap.
 

Soviet Heavy

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ghost whistler said:
Soviet Heavy said:
I'll be using this mod to reenact Revenge of the Sith, albeit with slightly more justification that they were bugging me before. Don't really see what the fuss is about.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2396676,00.asp
please, get help.
Please, learn the difference between flesh and pixels.
 

VondeVon

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Yeah, I've never wanted to kill a kid in a game... until Skyrim.

These little berks have been designed to be irritating, smug in their perception of untouchability... which might be true for some kids in real life, sure, but the kids in Skyrim have clearly grown up without even knowing the back of their parent's hand.

In fact, non-violence to children is probably the leading cause of all those bandits plaguing the realm...
 

ArtanisCreed

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+1 internets to the creators!!!!! Sadly i have this on the 360. I dont hate kids, unless they are in bethesda games...

Honestly saying that anyone who wants to kill kids (not even batting an eye at the killing of of adults?) in skyrim wants to kill kids irl is preposterous. This is a game after all.

Look at GTA...how much flak has it caught for being able to run down people with a car, the stealing, and havin sex with hookers? Not exaclty the same as killing kids, but i dont see people being labled deranged when all they do is run people over an fuck hookers in GTA.


People need to get their heads out of their asses over this. Killing ANYONE irl is wrong (unless in self defense or defense of another) Not much sense to quible over the age of the NPC (not a real kid remember?)
 

henrius

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I think Bethesda, and video games in general, would take a HUGE hit if this mainstream of a title allowed you to kill children out of the box. I personally am fine that they didn't allow it, as it has the potential to set games back for quite a while. It's still an available option though for those who really want it.

When I do eventually get Skryim for PC, I will download this mod. Aside from the occasional massacre of an entire town, imagine the implications it has for role playing and just the feeling of freedom or at least consequences in general! Maybe you perform a hit and accidentally kill a child in the crossfire. I don't know.

Maybe in the future this can available right out of the box, or at least in a role playing game, but this is a very delicate issue that should handled carefully in the meantime
 

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I'm in the "it adds to the realism" camp here. I'm kind of a wuss when it comes to being evil in games, so even with my most evil character, I wouldn't kill the innocent children. But if say, a dragon shows up or bandits attack or something like that, it only makes sense that children aren't immortal.
 

Elf Defiler Korgan

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I'm happy with this mod, I might even install it if it is all good to go, and causes no problems.

My third character is an imperial archer, and kids can be really challenging targets at a long range. Hey, every point to archery counts.