Skyrim Child Killing Mod

[Mau95]

Real kids do that too, and you dont kill them.

I also don't fight dragons or assassinate mages in real life.[/quote

If you could, would you?

 

[setting_son]

If I may, I'd like to quote the late Bill Hicks:


? What matters is that if you believe in the sanctity of life then you believe it for life of all ages. That's what I hate about this child-worship syndrome going on. "Save the children! They're killing children! How many children were at Waco? They're killing children!" What does that mean? They reach a certain age and they're off your fucking love-list? Fuck your children, if that's the way you think then fuck you too. You either love all people of all ages or you shut the fuck up.?

I'm an equal opportunities gamer.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

12 pages?

People suggesting that downloading a mod that fixes the "immortal children" issue are closet sociopaths?

Random insults and threats of violence?

Serious, in-depth discussions about the ethical ramifications of this simple little mod?

People, you are straight up bonkers. I cannot even believe what I'm seeing.

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

Real kids do that too, and you dont kill them.

I also don't fight dragons or assassinate mages in real life.[/quote

If you could, would you?

Of course not. You are proving my point for me.

 

[SidingWithTheEnemy]

[...] To be honest I think there needs to be some kind of database list with the names of anyone who downloads this mod because to be quite frank it's sickening.
[...]

It's quite sickening to have people demonizing others because of different forms of entertaining sought by virtually murdering virutal pixels in a virtual game.

To be honest I almost think there needs to be some kind of database lists with the names and adresses of anyone who seriously propose to have some kind of database list with the names of anyone else who downloads this mod because they came to the conclusing that it's sickening to them.

I'm utterly disappointed that people here percieve Videogames this way, where their very own mind and their superprocessor working there is able to fathom all kinds of disgustingly shitty things, including animal raping and child butchering fully rendered in the 3d and providing utterly satisfaction at some point.

Only because you fantasize of butchering children while laughing manically doesn't make you bad person. Telling others what to think makes you one...

And as all people should finally realize, Videogames aren't reality yet, sadly...

 

[Jamieson 90]

I really don't see the problem. It's a game with pixels, it's not real. Millions of people play violent games everyday, guess what violence and crime have been going down since pretty much the start of time. We are becomming less violent not more.

There is no difference between killing adult pixels and child pixels. No one gets hurt, it's just a game. People like to role play and act. They like to experience things they wouldn't normally conceive of doing in real life. They can do it freely in games because they know there are no real life consequences. I might like to play an evil character that goes around murdering children. Do I want to murder children in real life? No of course not, do I want to murder anyone at all? No again.

Ah what of those crazy people that play games and then go murder someone. You know what if games were really that powerful then we would be in a lot of trouble. I mean seriously think of the millions of people turning into murderers from playing games. Again it's bullshit, the person was crazy to begin with, it's just passing the book and scapegoating. First it was violent films, then it was music and rap and now it's games. People are going to whine and complain how our youth are being corrupted, they have been doing it since the start of time. Cato the Elder was bitching about Roman youth back when the Romans were in power.

End rant/

 

[Mau95]

Real kids do that too, and you dont kill them.

I also don't fight dragons or assassinate mages in real life.[/quote

If you could, would you?

Of course not. You are proving my point for me.

Exactemundo.

 

[DementedSheep]

I don?t see how it?s that much different from killing innocent adults for frivolous reasons. kids are annoying, I may joke about wanting to kill a particularly annoying kid or kill the pixels representing them in games but that doesn?t mean I actually want to go kill kids in real life. I like the dark brotherhood too but that doesn't mean I actually want to be an assassin and if it were real I would be horrified.

Don't people realize that if the game allowed the player to kill kids, it would pretty much automatically mean an AO rating? And that means most retail stores - and possibly Steam, not sure - would not support it. Bethesda's hands are tied. (BTW I know Fallout 1 and 2 allowed you to kill kids and got away with an M rating, but the ESRB was a lot more lax back then)

But GOD are those little fucks annoying. Especially that girl in Whiterun. You know which one.

Bioshock and the sims allow you to kill kids and they didn't get an AO. WOW lets you kill kids (or so I hear, I never played the game)

Hell bioshock doesn?t just allow you to kill kids, it revolve around whether or not you do and that?s what gives you different endings, yet it?s only an R15.

 

[Atsumi_Warrior]

Whats so wrong with killing kids?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF7ka-G9AaU&feature=youtu.be
Its not even that bad.
They just fall over.
Get over it news casters.

 

[searanox]

WHY

DO PEOPLE

KEEP BRINGING UP

FALLOUT 2

BETHESDA DID NOT MAKE FALLOUT 2

FALLOUT 2 IS NOT THE ONLY OR EVEN MOST PROLIFIC EXAMPLE OF BEING ABLE TO KILL KIDS IN VIDEOGAMES

THERE WAS CHILD KILLING IN FALLOUT 1 AS WELL, WHY DOES NOBODY MENTION THAT WHEN FALLOUT 1 WAS PLAINLY A BETTER GAME AND AN EARLIER ONE

YOU PEOPLE

Anyway, the problem isn't that I'm a senseless child-killer, or that I hate the stinking brats (though I urge you to not look in my basement under pain of gruesome death). The problem is that in a game that's supposed to be about freedom and consequence of action, Bethesda have decided in advance for me what is right and wrong, and rather than making a game world that accurately responds to your *choice* to be a child-killer, instead they have said "no, that's just off-limits, you sick fucker."

Now, I can see why they didn't include it. Remember, Skyrim is a mainstream game aimed at the widest possible audience, which includes small children (and no, the M rating is no indication of that, as games publishers market to kids knowing full well they want to play their violent games more than anyone else), as well as others who believe that individuals are unable to differentiate between videogames and reality. This is a videogame designed to make lots of money by breaking its RPG side down to the most basic of elements and diluting it to appeal to the lowest common denominator. Bethesda are not in a position to put child-killing in their game, either because the ESRB would slap them with an AO rating, or because there'd be a media shitstorm over it that they'd rather avoid.

Just don't say that being able to kill children in a videogame is any more sick than killing adults, or the elderly, and that I am a monster for wanting the option open. If you don't want children to die, don't kill children. Crisis averted. You're not a better person than I am because of it.

 

[Krzowirarzosarossax]

If amoral psychopaths want to go to ensure their passage to an even deeper level of Hell, I say let them. Better that you act out your child-murdering fantasies on virtual children than on the real deal.

This is what I don't get.

I'm going to ask this in the most polite, civil way I can because this thread is already pretty furious at itself:

Why is it that killing adults in this game isn't me re-enacting a fantasy but killing children is? Surely both are are fantasy you're experiencing (which I personally see nothing wrong with but each to their own), or neither of them are a fantasy.

I hope you don't mind me asking you to explain this to me, because I simply do not understand the difference.

Good question. I guess because children are seen as with very few exceptions, defenceless innocents. There is a social sacrilege surrounding child-killing. It's the same for beating up other clearly vulnerable people, but people want to see children hurt least of all. I don't think everyone who goes on a murderous ingame child killing rampage is a potential child murderer, but I don't think their intentions are entirely reasonable either. Arguably rampaging on an adult killing spree is still fantasy fulfillment, but adult killing fantasies are more justifiable (due to the stresses of modern life) and much less likely to translate into serious fantasies, than child-killing fantasies are. You have to be particularly unhinged to fantasise about stabbing kiddies to death.

Generally, adults tend to be much more innocent than kids as they have more developed morality, are less impulsive, have greater capability to understand consequences of their actions, are more compassionate, etc.
There's a reason why kids can't buy guns, why they can't drive, etc.

Also, it doesn't makes sense to assume that someone who is destroying NPCs on game is enacting some fantasies. It could be as well said that destroying models of orcs and goblins and dragons and other monsters in game is enacting some kind of a fantasy of killing orcs and goblins and dragons and other monsters, which is ridiculous.

Then why do you assume that people specifically target child models for destruction? Maybe they simple destroy entire towns?

I have to say one thing to all the child fetishist in this thread. You, people make me sick.

Right to live isn't something that is reserved to children and adolescents. All innocents have a right to live. If you think that killing kids is worse than killing adults, think about your parents, your adult relatives. What would you feel if someone would murder them?

Would you think that it's ok if someone would murder your mother and put her head on on cupboard, like in that example of dark humour that Todd Howard presented? Killing an old lady and putting her head on a cupboard. That's the example he used. But he was the same person who said "do you really want to kill kids in game?".

I haven't seen any of you saying that innocent adults - parents, workers, brothers, sisters, husbands, wifes, (and yes, they are also someone's children) etc. in Skyrim deserve to be protected from murder or accidental death.
What kind of sick people you are? Your parents have fed you and clothed you and put up with your crap, but you don't have anything against them being murdered. A bunch of disgusting ingrates and sociopaths.

That's what happens when game try to introduce "morality" based censorship. People stop thinking about ethics and start to think that the game says what is good and wrong. You have really twisted morality.
I don't know how old are you. I assume that you're kids - you have to quit gaming before it's too late. Start reading books. Good books, not the fantasy trash. And stop watching James Bond movies - they are trash and make killing people look like fun. In James Bond novels which were written by a real spy, James Bond doesn't feel good with killing people. Even with killing bandits and murderers.
I talked to soldiers and even for them shooting at enemies that shoot at them is difficult.

If you kill an adult in real life, you're a murderer and you're going to prison for a long time. You usually can't even kill evil adults, because it would be considered murder too. Killing is acceptable only during war and in self-defence and it's psychologically damaging even then.

Even Fallout 1 with its childkiller reputation penalty was morally sick. It's a game where you can murder sympathetic characters like Katrina and Tandi and Seth and Razlo and still not be pursued for murder and still be a "champion of humanity". It's like they are trying to teach kids that violence against innocent adults is acceptable.

Then they grow up and become policemen (like in individuals who do such things, I'm not suggesting that most of policemen behave like that or that police encourages such things) who beat up peaceful protesters just for fun or kick a pregnant woman until she miscarries just for the hell of it.

You need to stop playing games like Skyrim, kids, before it's too late. I've seen threats of violence in this thread - threads directed to people who haven't done anything to anyone. Such thing is be unacceptable. You really need to stop playing such violent games and experience life outside your computer room.

In fallout's defense. Its a post apocalyptic shit hole. Its the rule of the jungle. You either play by those rules, or you die and the wildlife feast on your rotting corpse. There is no police force, its completely lawless. There is no way for anyone to know who your murdered someone, because there is no information infrastructure. You do what you can to survive.

Morality as we know it only exists because our technological level ALLOWS it. If kids were less fortunate, they would turn to murder and theft to survive too. In the event that society falls, the "moral crusaders" are the first to die at the hands of the survivalists.

Fallout has civilized settlements like Junktown, The Hub and Shady Sands. Both Junktown and The Hub have fully functional police forces and rule of law and all these settlements are in contact with each other. If you would publicly kill someone in such a settlement or would be suspected of killing someone (and you would be an obvious suspect as a stranger), the other settlements would know about it as soon as the caravan arrives.
Also, they magically know about childkilling. The authors simply decided to make murder of adults acceptable. And it's not just murder. It's possible to commit mass murder (like killing most of Shady Sands except children) and still have positive karma and be a champion.

 

[ElPatron]

I know a lot of you might have had trouble with highschool, in which you may have wished you could kill that damn handsome boy who did homework well, played sports and had many friends of the opposite sex, but you didn't do it in real life, and you should be able to get by without doing it in games.

That was a bad analogy and it was pretty much irrelevant.

And your "if you want realism don't play fantasy games" is pretty much the same thing as that "if you don't like my post don't read it".



As far as I am concerned, trying to kill children would end up in someone defending them/the child defending from your attack somehow and kick your gonads. But children should disappear if a whole town suffered a massacre.

 

[PerfectEnemy]

My face after reading this thread: o_0

Child murder should not happen in a video game, because *it should not happen anywhere*
For any reason. At all. Ever.

Honestly, if it happens in a cutscene, or in an in-game event, fine. It's the truth: kids can die. And, if done well, it can add an extra layer of tragedy to a devastating event.

But under no circumstances should anyone be allowed to willfully harm a child. That goes beyond "The developers won't allow it because they're afraid of negative press coverage!" They won't allow it because they're humans, with a respect for human life, and a strong desire to protect the lives of children.

If you're bothered by a child, walk away. That's truly the greatest form of realism. Any game where you can murder a child and get off scott free has some serious issues with reality as we know it.

 

[Amnestic]

My face after reading this thread: o_0

Child murder should not happen in a video game, because *it should not happen anywhere*
For any reason. At all. Ever.

Honestly, if it happens in a cutscene, or in an in-game event, fine. It's the truth: kids can die. And, if done well, it can add an extra layer of tragedy to a devastating event.

But under no circumstances should anyone be allowed to willfully harm a child. That goes beyond "The developers won't allow it because they're afraid of negative press coverage!" They won't allow it because they're humans, with a respect for human life, and a strong desire to protect the lives of children.

If you're bothered by a child, walk away. That's truly the greatest form of realism. Any game where you can murder a child and get off scott free has some serious issues with reality as we know it.

So I take it you're heavily against the Bioshock series, yes?

 

[renegade7]

The reason Bethesda doesn't let you kill kids is purely political. What do you think certain news networks >coughcough< will say if they find out you can kill kids?

So yea, I'm a bit more worried about Fox telling everyone the game is "All about slaughtering children."

 

[distortedreality]

JUST.LET.THIS.THREAD.DIE.


(like the children)

 

[Krzowirarzosarossax]

My face after reading this thread: o_0

Child murder should not happen in a video game, because *it should not happen anywhere*
For any reason. At all. Ever.

Honestly, if it happens in a cutscene, or in an in-game event, fine. It's the truth: kids can die. And, if done well, it can add an extra layer of tragedy to a devastating event.

But under no circumstances should anyone be allowed to willfully harm a child. That goes beyond "The developers won't allow it because they're afraid of negative press coverage!" They won't allow it because they're humans, with a respect for human life, and a strong desire to protect the lives of children.

If you're bothered by a child, walk away. That's truly the greatest form of realism. Any game where you can murder a child and get off scott free has some serious issues with reality as we know it.

Why are you discriminating against innocent adults? Do you realise that your parents are adults? That they clothed you and fed you when you were a child? Why don't you have anything against someone like them being wilfully murdered? And do you realise that most of these adults are parents of these children?
Also, would *you* like to be wilfully murdered and then have someone get off scot free? Because that's what happens in these games and I don't see you protesting.

 

[Krzowirarzosarossax]

But under no circumstances should anyone be allowed to willfully harm a child. That goes beyond "The developers won't allow it because they're afraid of negative press coverage!" They won't allow it because they're humans, with a respect for human life, and a strong desire to protect the lives of children.

Yeah, because seeing humour in decapitating an elderly lady and placing her head on a cupboard and making a whole game dedicated to killing people in gory manner, including nuking a town just for the hell of it is totally, like respecting life.

Also, again, why are you discriminating against innocent adults? And why is murdering innocent adults acceptable to you? Why is murdering someone, someone's son/daughter/mom/dad/uncle/aunt/brother/sister/best friend acceptable to you? Would be so unaffected by it if someone would murder your parents?

 

[SteewpidZombie]

MY DAEDRIC GODS DEMAND THE BLOOD OF CHILDREN! AND SMALL KITTENS!...AND THAT OF A YOUNG WOMAN INBETWEEN THE AGE OF 18 AND 30 WHO MAY OR MAY NOT BE A VIRGIN, AND WHO IS WILLING TO EXCHANGE HER SOUL/BLOOD IN RETURN FOR NO LESS THEN THREE DINNERS AND A MOVIE OF HER CHOICE OVER THE COURSE OF A MONTH OF DATING!...worshipping Daedra is lonely...


On another note, it's not really that big of a issue. I'd be worried if they made a child raping mod or something of that nature, but something as simple as killing a child NPC in a M-Rated game is kinda meagre in comparison to the other kinds of things people could see/do through the internet. Basically it's a mod that maybe only %5 of people who even hear of it will ever use, and I am more concerned with the people who'd do it in real life. So remember kiddies, VIDEO GAMES ARE NOT REAL (So you probably shouldn't go running around with a large two-handed axe in a loin cloth and sparse armor while lopping off the heads of people!)

 

[Hulkform-]

I don't play Skyrim, or much video games beyond faster paced FPS (Too busy with work), though my gf adores this particular series and it's predecessors. We were reading this thread awhile ago and I thought I'd give my 2 cents on this interesting subject.

So I see people criticizing those that use this mod, because it allows for the murder of children, deserving or otherwise. The users are branded "disturbed" and "subconscious child killers". I think you lot need to relax, nothing is wrong with them, you guys are just confused. If something was wrong, then you'd be just as guilty for playing games that allowed you to take away other's lives!


What games are is an outlet for people's many different whims, which would not be possible in real life due to consequences ( Law, Irreversibility) and other difficulties (No such things as dragon slaying IRL, or you'd be too fat to slay one anyway).

It is a virtual reality that modern technology has made to look increasingly life-like, to give as close a simulation of physical reality as possible. It allows people to unleash their innate exploratory nature, to experiment or play out things that they would not want or would not be able to do IRL due to aforementioned difficulties.

People should not be criticized for exercising this nature in a safe, inconsequential medium.

Like for me, I enjoy playing Battlefield. Because it allows me to feed my basic nature to hunt and be hunted. And I can do it without all the dangers of actually being in a war. Did you know such games are also used to successfully cure veterans of war trauma?

A few people's exploratory nature simply leads to them wanting to play a role where they are all dominant. Did someone 3/4 my age and size just call me ugly? Kill. Short of gold for that magic sword? Pillage. They're not explicitly out to hurt children, they merely want things to go their way.

It may sound disturbing and dangerous that a person would want to do that, but its really fine ! What is critical is that they are not disillusioned, and know that you only have that power in GAMES.

Some people entertain violent thoughts more than others, and there is nothing wrong with it ! Remember that we are not all the same person, WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT TOLERANCES AND OPINIONS !

Now, I saw someone ask if you would kill people/children in real life.

If people in real life could respawn, or I could "reroll" at any time and they'd act as if nothing happened. Then I would, if the urge ever struck me. And what did I just describe? A video game.