Skyrim post-Morrowind *spoilers*

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***NB: There will be spoilers of Elder Scrolls games here. Please go no further if you haven't yet played them and wish to do so spoiler free***

Skyrim came out on 11th Nov 2011 and since then I've played thru it three times. The first time, shortly after release, had been years since I had last played Morrowind. I remembered TES3 in 2011 as a fantastic, alien landscape, the Dunmer and inhospitable climate. I remember spears, medium armour and being able to fly. I remembered dwemer ruins and their constructs, animated machines that clinked, hissed and groaned like rusty metal. I remember equipping a gazillion bits of clothing, armour and jewellery. But I'd forgotten so much else. The specifics were mostly forgotten and I'd never even played Bloodmoon.

Until now. After a post in these very forums I was inspired to have another go and have just earlier today finished Bloodmoon, before which I finished Tribunal (have yet to do the main quests or any guilds/houses). And doing so has given me a massive, massive, massive amount more admiration for Skyrim than I had before.

Oblivion was a big departure from Morrowind, perhaps since it was designed to be played on consoles from the start. Armour went from seven separate pieces down to five, clothing was now instead of (not additional too) and many skills and weapon types were removed. No medium armour or spears, but they kept athletics and major/minor skills. There were no dwemer ruins to speak of, but there plenty of daedra.

But it's the little things in Morrowind that make what came after so much more special. One thing I thought was amazing was in Tribunal where Almalexia has you investigating the "End of Times" cult. Their so called "prophet" preached the end of days for Vvardenfell and that Oblivion gates would open everywhere. A crazy prophet we dismissed in TES3 prophesises all the events of TES4 and the eruption that led to the Dunmer fleeing to Skyrim in TES5.

And in TES3: Bloodmoon, like in TES5: Dragonborn, I got to go to Solstheim! Replete with Skaal, stahlrim, reiklings, Raven's Rock (looked a little different back then!), Castle Karstaag and Hrothmund's Axe! How great then in Skyrim to go to this place as the Dragonborn where years ago we'd walked as the Nerevarine!?

Being around Vivec and Almalexia, the story of Nerevar, Dagoth Ur and the dwemer is brilliant. In Skyrim, the dwemer have been gone for more than a millenia. In the time of TES3, there are still piles of ash where they'd been standing or sitting.

Seeing the dwemer ruins again in TES3 makes you appreciate the updated ones in TES5. There are so many elements that carried across to the art design of TES5 from 3. Many of the books we find in Skyrim are all over Morrowind too. The continuity and lore carried between the titles is really a work of amazing attention and dedication and something I missed almost entirely.

From the way Morrowind led to Cyrodil, and Cyrodil to Skyrim, with easter eggs, hints and references, I think I can make a very good guess where TES6 will be. TES3 was about the Chimer who became the Dunmer, the mortals who became Gods and the folly of the dwemer. TES4 was about the daedra and the Empire, the death of the Septim line. TES5 was about the dragons returning, the nords' culture being assailed in the wake of the events in TES4 (and the eruption).

All of that leads me to think that TES6 will be in the High Elves/Altermi home of Summerset Isles. As the driving force behind the Aldmeri Dominion, I think their home province is the logical next step considering the prevalence of the Thalmor to everything happening on Tamriel post-Oblivion. We've already been to High Rock and Hammerfell (pre-TES3), Morrowind, Cyrodil and Skyrim. There are still many other interesting provinces such as Black Marsh (my second guess) and Elswyr but Summerset Isles seems to be where a post-Skyrim story would lead. Whichever side won the civil war, taking the fight to the Thalmor strikes me as the next logical step.
 

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KingsGambit said:
All of that leads me to think that TES6 will be in the High Elves/Altermi home of Summerset Isles. As the driving force behind the Aldmeri Dominion, I think their home province is the logical next step considering the prevalence of the Thalmor to everything happening on Tamriel post-Oblivion. We've already been to High Rock and Hammerfell (pre-TES3), Morrowind, Cyrodil and Skyrim. There are still many other interesting provinces such as Black Marsh (my second guess) and Elswyr but Summerset Isles seems to be where a post-Skyrim story would lead. Whichever side won the civil war, taking the fight to the Thalmor strikes me as the next logical step.
I would have to say Summerset Isles is a big contender for where the next TES game will take place.

But Valenwood, due to it being next to the cyrodiil border ,and where most of the next great would would likely take place.

and Hammerfell isn't exactly ruled out either, as Todd Howard has expressed over the years a strong desire to go back there and redo it so he could make Sentinel like he always wanted. also, the redguards have their own version of the Thu'um, called Sword-Singing, and its very likely Beth will want to capitalize on that for a gameplay gimmick for the next game.

Black Marsh and Elsweyr are unlike though, both have extreme conditions, Black Marsh being a massive swamp that's so deadly no race other then the argonians have been able to survive in it, and the Khajiit having 17 different forms, make them unlikely provinces to visits because of technical and lore limitations.
 

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I have a strong suspicion that given that they've already visited some of the largest provinces, Skyrim, Cyrodiil, and High Rock, that to do justice to the inevitable size increases of each game that we'll most likely see multiple provinces in the next one, not quite on the scale of Arena, but I can see them throwing Summerset Isles, Valenwood, and Elsweyr into one big continuous map you can trek across, especially since with the Aldmeri Dominion their borders are becoming less solid.

That's what I hope for at least, not only would it allow a massive game map as TES games are known for, but provide a very wide amount of different biomes and locales, different architecture, cultures, dungeons, and the like. Probably no more Dwemer but plenty of other ancient calls to the distant past.

I can see them using the Psijic Order as the new analogue for the Mages Guild as well.
 

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I'm going with Valenwood as the most likely candidate for the next game. It's the Thalmor's staging area for their conquest of the mainland and apparently something his happening with the Green Pact. I can't remember where I read it but there's some written lore about someone called the Precursor "promising new gifts from Y'ffre to reward their devotion" but that was at the end of the 3rd era...

I actually doubt that we will be seeing the Summerset isles during the height of the Thalmor's power. Maybe a game will be set there in the aftermath of the (3rd) Aldmeri Dominion's collapse but the Dominion is such an important piece of canon lore that it's not likely that we will be able to influence it in any way in-game, sort of like how there is no accompanying game for the fall of the Septim Empire or the rise of the Mede Dynasty.

Alternatively, the next game could easily be held in Hammerfell because, in Skyrim, we keep hearing about them and their curved swords. Curved. Swords.
 

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You do realise that Morrowind was released on the Xbox - its the reason i bought that console.

Im hoping they will go for one of the animal races for the next one. Hopefully that will add more interesting and varied game world like Morrowind. If they dont, fine. But one thing that would be great would be if races had aspects of their own culture when they live in other areas. Same as if you go to china town its architecture has chinese architecture look to it. Would love that for the next TES game. Also if the house is owned by a Khajeet, then they have pictures or statues etc based on their culture. Khajeet weapons and armour, furniture and ornaments. Or that on the borders between to lands the towns are a mixture of each.

Regardless of what they do, i will buy it as i love the TES game world. I just dont want another human town style like Oblivion/Skyrim.
 
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Vern5 said:
I'm going with Valenwood as the most likely candidate for the next game. It's the Thalmor's staging area for their conquest of the mainland and apparently something his happening with the Green Pact. I can't remember where I read it but there's some written lore about someone called the Precursor "promising new gifts from Y'ffre to reward their devotion" but that was at the end of the 3rd era...
I've thought of Valenwood too...more below.

Vern5 said:
I actually doubt that we will be seeing the Summerset isles during the height of the Thalmor's power. Maybe a game will be set there in the aftermath of the (3rd) Aldmeri Dominion's collapse but the Dominion is such an important piece of canon lore that it's not likely that we will be able to influence it in any way in-game, sort of like how there is no accompanying game for the fall of the Septim Empire or the rise of the Mede Dynasty.
That's precisely why I suspect it *will* be there. Whatever canon Bethesda go with for the civil war, I think TES6 will be post-Dominion Summerset Isles in the same way Skyrim was post-Septim line. Whether it's the Imperials under a new Mede Emperor or Stormcloaks, I am leaning towards them taking the fight to the Thalmor and that TES6 will start after that, possibly a few years after.

Vern5 said:
Alternatively, the next game could easily be held in Hammerfell because, in Skyrim, we keep hearing about them and their curved swords. Curved. Swords.
Hah, love it!

I would love to see Hammerfell seeing as TES2: Daggerfall was before my time. While it could well be remade, despite TES2s age it's still that little bit harder to justify than going to one of the remaining provinces as yet unvisited.

Where I'm coming from is that seeing Morrowind again post-skyrim, and Skyrim while Morrowind is still fresh in the mind, Bethesda have done an amazing job of setting the stage for future games. There are bits spread out that lead forward and back from TES3 to 4 to 5. In Skyrim, the biggest "things" involving other provinces were the Thalmor, the historical (as of TES5) Black Marsh invasion of Morrowind and the exodus of Dunmer from Morrowind. (Obviously we learned of Cyrodil post-Oblivion too) and tho we learned also of Orsinium's destruction and Orcs fleeing to Skyrim I don't think it was significant.

It's instinct, going from the clues it's what the gut is telling me. The Thalmor and the Dominion are the main driving force on Tamriel post-TES5 and resolving that strikes me as being very important. Obviously there's no knowing how many (game) years will separate TES5 and TES6. If it's a small amount, like TES3->4 (6 years) then the Dominion could still be the dominant force and the game could take us anywhere. If it's closer to 200 years however, like TES4->TES5, I think the Thalmor storyline would have to be resolved, thus they wouldn't be at the height of their power.
 

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Yeah I am hoping that the next TES game is set in Valenwood and Elsweyr since together they are about the same size as Skyrim. Maybe if they are feeling really ambitious they might include the Summerset Isle as well. It doesn't seem like provinces in Tamriel are trending towards independence and away from large nations, I don't think the Empire or the Dominion is going to last much longer. Maybe its just the fact that I dislike the Thalmor, but I hope the next game is set not too long after Skyrim and we see the collapse of the Dominion.

The Elder Scrolls VI: Dominion please?
 
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TheJJBL said:
Yeah I always like finding those little nods and references to previous games, like how the book of the dragonborn foretells of a prophecy, and all the parts of the prophecy are events in previous games. It's like a nice game of continuity.
It is brilliant. It's especially amazing when we consider that 9 real world years separated TES3 and TES5. Each game has been different, added to (and taken away from) the previous ones but seeing things from Morrowind in Skyrim 9 years later (the books, "Saint" Jiub in the soul cairn is the first character we see in Morrowind, waking up on the ship!) is wonderful.
TheJJBL said:
On where the next one will take place I hope for the antithesis of arctic tundras, mountains and pine forests, so I'm generally hoping for an Elsweyr game, but like the idea of multiple lands for one game.
Hammerfell is dominated by the Alik'r Desert ;-)
SonOfVoorhees said:
Im hoping they will go for one of the animal races for the next one.
It would be interesting, but the signs aren't there. Don't mistake me, like you said, I'll be buying it regardless. But apart from the Black Marsh invasion of Morrowind (pre-eruption), those provinces haven't been particularly relevant to events on Tamriel and nothing in Skyrim points to them as clues in previous games did pointing forward.
SonOfVoorhees said:
Hopefully that will add more interesting and varied game world like Morrowind. If they dont, fine. But one thing that would be great would be if races had aspects of their own culture when they live in other areas.
I think that's a given ;-)
SonOfVoorhees said:
Regardless of what they do, i will buy it as i love the TES game world. I just dont want another human town style like Oblivion/Skyrim.
And all shall say amen! :) Also, you have a scary dad!
 
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Yeah I am hoping that the next TES game is set in Valenwood and Elsweyr since together they are about the same size as Skyrim. Maybe if they are feeling really ambitious they might include the Summerset Isle as well. It doesn't seem like provinces in Tamriel are trending towards independence and away from large nations, I don't think the Empire or the Dominion is going to last much longer. Maybe its just the fact that I dislike the Thalmor, but I hope the next game is set not too long after Skyrim and we see the collapse of the Dominion.

The Elder Scrolls VI: Dominion please?
That's interesting, the size of neighbouring provinces hadn't been considered. It's entirely possibly...after all Daggerfall included High Rock, Hammerfell and Orsinium in one. I expect the main factor will be the (game world) time gap between TES5 and TES6. IMO, if it's short, like Morrowind -> Oblivion, the Dominion won't have changes a great deal. TES6 could be set anywhere and stories of the Thalmor vs. the canon victors of Skyrim's civil war could be current. If it's a long time, like Oblivion -> Skyrim, I think the Dominion would have had to be addressed, either as remaining victors or as losers to a larger Tamrielic war. Valenwood would be a great setting, that's for sure, so would Elswyr. I suspect the Summerset Isles myself.

I think whatever the magic "twist" is will be important too. Oblivion had the gates, Skyrim had dragons and the Thuum, so it'll be interesting to see what TES6 brings.
 

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This is relevant.
No it is not, now stop spamming the forums.

On topic, I am already slightly hyped for the next Elder Scrolls game, just by the knowledge of it's existence. I would love it to be in a new place like Valenwood, but I really just hope the expand and make everything a little deeper this time, instead of the really shallow experience (especially with things like conjuration where there is such a limited choice of stuff)
 

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that to do justice to the inevitable size increases of each game that we'll most likely see multiple provinces in the next one,
TheSapphireKnight said:
Yeah I am hoping that the next TES game is set in Valenwood and Elsweyr since together they are about the same size as Skyrim.
Its unlikely that any new TES game will feature multiple provinces.

Trying to fit two into an area the size of Syrim would just result in most of the big cities being made as small as Mrothal in order to try to put them all in.

And it would be difficult to try to make all the various texture sets for all the different environments two provinces encompass.

They will most likely just do one province, and then alter the in-game scale to make it the size of Skyrim/Cyrodiil.
 

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Summerset Isle and Hammerfell are my top two picks. The Red Guard game is a more of a spin-off, so I doubt they'd count that. Black Marsh and Elswyr have already been ruled out. Valenwood is unlikely as well, as they would have to completely add in another race.

Personally, I'd love to see Akavir, but the story really does not seem to be heading there anytime soon. The work put in would be insane, since they'd have to design four new races and let you play as one of them.
 

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I would absolutely love to see Valenwood. I like forests and the Bosmer are my favorite race. Hammerfell and Summerset might be more likely, though. If it's Hammerfell, you'd be playing a resistance to the Thalmor and helping to diminish their power from the outside. If it's Summerset, you'd be playing part of a more internal resistance to bring the Thalmor down and restore the integrity of the Altmer and their ancient land. But I'm still hoping for Valenwood.
 

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I want the next one to take place in Black Marsh and hopefully the series leaving Tamrial and going to Akevir, maybe find out what happened to the Nerevarine. The Kunark expansion of Everquest has left me in love with remote tropical/swampy lands populated by lizardmen and such since they're as close to a standard fantasy setting as you can get without dabbling with the typical bland stuff we've seen in Oblivion and Skyrim.

KingsGambit said:
Oblivion was a big departure from Morrowind, perhaps since it was designed to be played on consoles from the start. Armour went from seven separate pieces down to five, clothing was now instead of (not additional too) and many skills and weapon types were removed. No medium armour or spears, but they kept athletics and major/minor skills. There were no dwemer ruins to speak of, but there plenty of daedra.
Morrowind was the first of the series designed for console and was an even more radical departure from the series with regard to Daggerfall then Morrowind was to Oblivion.

These kinda comments show the huge gulf in TES players, though I myself and a part of the Morrowind generation myself.
 
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I just yesterday had a quest in Vivec involving the man who would go on to author "The Lusty Argonian Maid". I absolutely love these things. They are wonderful touches that give more depth and life to Tamriel and the people that in habit it. It'll be great to see what references from Skyrim carry over into TESVI.

beastro said:
Morrowind was the first of the series designed for console and was an even more radical departure from the series with regard to Daggerfall then Morrowind was to Oblivion.
Morrowind was very much a PC game, which was later ported to the XBox. It was not designed for console as new games are and no compromises were made because of cross-platform development.
 

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I just yesterday had a quest in Vivec involving the man who would go on to author "The Lusty Argonian Maid". I absolutely love these things. They are wonderful touches that give more depth and life to Tamriel and the people that in habit it. It'll be great to see what references from Skyrim carry over into TESVI.

beastro said:
Morrowind was the first of the series designed for console and was an even more radical departure from the series with regard to Daggerfall then Morrowind was to Oblivion.
Morrowind was very much a PC game, which was later ported to the XBox. It was not designed for console as new games are and no compromises were made because of cross-platform development.
Yeah I wasn't fully sure or not, but it still stands that the gulf between Daggerfall and Morrowind is larger than that between Morrowind and Oblivion, it's just most of us have never played any of the TES from before MW so we look on it as the standard.