First you said you dress up for yourself, and now you're saying that you dress up because of pressure from other people. Fucked up.AgentNein said:
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'Slut' Parade
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Wow, The Escapist has surprised me again. I knew this place was a bit of a sausage fest but I never thought we had this much sexism :-/
Kahunaburger said:
Regardless, my point is that it WONT change. Loose sexual morals has never been an accepted practice. Sorry, it has been "accepted" in the sense that there were brothels, mistresses and whatnot. But those women were still inflicted with the negative name of "whores" and "sluts". What is the word suppose to mean otherwise? It's suppose to be a good thing? It's like trying to turn the word "disgusting" into something positive. I don't like being called disgusting, so I'm going to make it into a positive word so I feel better.AgentNein said:
I get that their main goal is to force sexual promiscuity into a positive, or less negative, thing, but with today's mentality and just the general morals passed down, it's really unlikely to happen.
Furthermore, on their website they say that they want to take the word "slut" back. This implies that they even want to keep the negative term, just change people's view on it.
I don't agree with the police officer blaming their dress for rape, men shouldn't rape and it's not an excuse to. But I disagree with them trying to make their promiscuity sound better.
That is a huge assumption you are making. Why do you care how someone dresses? How does it effect you or anyone else? Oh wait. It doesn't.TB_Infidel said:
Orgasm is an autonomic function which a person, man or woman, has little control over. (Consider "performance anxiety" and wet dreams.)Guy Jackson said:
As such, saying a victim had an orgasm during rape is similar to saying a woman wet herself during childbirth.
In any case, rape is a very traumatizing event not only in the instance of it, but in the remembrance of it, as one questions whether or not it was their fault, whether or not they fought hard enough, whether or not to turn the attacker in, whether or not one somehow inadvertently screwed up the case or let something slip (if the victim decides to keep it secret). Orgasm during rape is something that would make the questions about deserving it tougher to cope with.
Devil's advocate: Would you honestly not think negatively if the girl you were going to propose to told you she had had 20 sexual partners before you? Would you not be disappointed if your sister or daughter slept around at say age 16, increasing her chance of catching an STD or becoming pregnant?CarlMinez said:
The concept is valid. Leaving valuables on display in your car for example, increases the likelihood of it being broken into. Leaving a window or door open in your home increases the likelihood of your home being burgled. Being white in ceratin parts of S. Africa are almost certain to get one killed. Similarly, dressing extremely revealingly could increase the risk of a sexual assault.Zeekar said:
It is a crime, it is not the fault of the victim but she could have done more to lower the risks. Dressing more modestly, travelling with friends, taking busy, better lit streets home, not accepting rides from unlicensed cabs/strangers, and so on. In this regard there is for all intents and purposes, no difference between your examples.
2. No it's not blaming the victim. It's advising that the victim might've helped him/herself by making themselves less appealing a target and not having to be a victim at all.Ladette said:
3. No (s)he shouldn't, it's good advice. (S)he's not saying it's the victim's fault. (S)he is saying that women should try to minimise the risk of themselves ever becoming a victim. That is no worse advice than suggesting contraceptive use to prevent STDs, wear a seat belt to not-die in an accident and so on.
4. It's not double-standards. Male rape does happen, but female rape is more common and women are generally more vulnerable. The police are quite right to want to protect women and minimise sexual assaults.
Not to avoid rape but to lower the chances of it happening. Dressing like a nun will not avoid it but if a woman can lower the risk of becoming a victim, wouldn't it be worth keeping in mind? Then there's time and place...wandering the street alone, at night, dressed revealingly increases the risk of being assaulted. It's not the vitim's fault, but if that same person did any of those things differently, perhaps they might not have become a victim. They are not suggesting blame, they are not telling you how to dress nor saying it will prevent being a victim but suggesting that less revealing clothing could help prevent it.amucha98 said:
No it is not sexist, that is what the word means. Look up the definition in a dictionary. Or just click here [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/slut]. You can apply the term to a man though it is most often used for women.Levitas1234 said:
When I first read the thread title, a song started playing in my head...
When I was
a young boy
my father
took me into the city
to see a marching band.
He said, "Son when
you grow up
will you be
the Savior of the broken,
the beaten and the Damned?"
He said, "Will you
defeat them,
your demons,
and all the nonbelievers;
the plans that they have made?"
"Because one day
I'll leave you
a phantom
to lead you in the summer
to join the Slut Parade?"
*awesome guitar riff*
*repeat previous lyrics once more, with feeling*
When I was
a young boy
my father
took me into the city
to see a marching band.
He said, "Son when
you grow up
will you be
the Savior of the broken,
the beaten and the Damned?"
He said, "Will you
defeat them,
your demons,
and all the nonbelievers;
the plans that they have made?"
"Because one day
I'll leave you
a phantom
to lead you in the summer
to join the Slut Parade?"
*awesome guitar riff*
*repeat previous lyrics once more, with feeling*
What? Are you disputing the fact that skin is inherently corrupting and that the more you see the more depraved you become? Are you mad? What next, the sky is orange? Haw haw haw.RedEyesBlackGamer said:
I would like to point out that Western culture, and European culture in particular, is not the only culture, and there are plenty of people with less harsh views on women embracing sexuality.G33kGoddess said:
Ok, I just spent 5 minutes writing my opinions on this story. But every time I look at some of the post in this thread it makes me feel like I'm wasting my time. So I'm just going to say this (and I can't believe I have to say this):
THESE WOMEN ARE NOT SLUTS.
If you don't think there's anything wrong with a high up policeman basically saying "if women are getting raped, it's their own fault" then it's a dark day for humanity.
This thread makes me angry. It makes me angry that in the 21st century, people still have these opinions. I believe in free speech, think what you want, but that doesn't mean what you think isn't insulting and moronic. It's this kind of attitude that makes me not show my face around here much anymore. Although it's also a thread like this that made me join, I had a good old fashioned rant vs. someone who ended up getting banned. A simpler time.
THESE WOMEN ARE NOT SLUTS.
If you don't think there's anything wrong with a high up policeman basically saying "if women are getting raped, it's their own fault" then it's a dark day for humanity.
This thread makes me angry. It makes me angry that in the 21st century, people still have these opinions. I believe in free speech, think what you want, but that doesn't mean what you think isn't insulting and moronic. It's this kind of attitude that makes me not show my face around here much anymore. Although it's also a thread like this that made me join, I had a good old fashioned rant vs. someone who ended up getting banned. A simpler time.
Then that's the rest of the world's choice.AgentNein said:
However - I refuse to take part.
I'll dress how I feel and how I want, regardless of conventions and "value".
Autonomic? My god, are you serious?conflictofinterests said:
Fetishes. Dirty talk. Porn. Flirting. Arousal. All for nothing.
And then there's the rape fantasies that more than 50% of women have, but since it's just a mechanical thing I guess that point is moot.
Why isn't it good? Is there something bad about sexuality? What is it? In practical, actual demonstrable terms. How does sex make you a worse person?TB_Infidel said:
It depends on the dress, I think. Some are wonderfully comfortable and sensible. I have dressed up for no reason, at home, alone and worn a favorite dress that I think looks adorable on me. Why? Because I like to wear it. I'm sorry to say, it's not about you. It's not about what you may "think we are deliberately" doing to the male race.Guy Jackson said:
Not all of us are fishing for looks and wanting attention. You must have an over-active libido that is causing that reaction to happen every time you so much and look at a woman.
These views in society are changing though. They've been changing for fucking decades. A lot of people are finally coming around to the concept that women enjoying sex, and not just monogamous sex, isn't a bad thing! Do you honestly think society is structured so that it can't change and evolve? Just look at the homosexual community. They still get a lot of shit sure, but compared to even twenty years ago?G33kGoddess said:
And a word like "slut" is a word that puts a negative connotation on female sexuality. Embracing the word is inverting the power of the word. Which some people may say doesn't work, but I see something to that.