'Slut' Parade

[JonnWood]

rape fantasies and rape role play are actually very different than being fucking raped. I'm sure you're smart enough to understand that.

Honestly, I'm starting to think troll. Either the deliberate sort, or the kind who thinks everyone needs the benefit of his opinions, and excuses their rudeness as being "direct" or "tough love" or saying "the truth hurts" or some nonsense like that, and can't distinguish between an opinion and a fact.

 

[conflictofinterests]

I'm noting some missing logic here. Specifically, your implication that her self-worth is tied to an external appraisal of her looks, instead of an internal assessment, despite her statements to the contrary.

So you're saying that she (or anyone) would dress up even if nobody were there to see it?

You're saying that if if a girl was lost at birth and raised by wolves in the wild, she'd still like to dress up (assuming she found some dresses lying around somewhere)?

It depends on the dress, I think. Some are wonderfully comfortable and sensible. I have dressed up for no reason, at home, alone and worn a favorite dress that I think looks adorable on me. Why? Because I like to wear it. I'm sorry to say, it's not about you. It's not about what you may "think we are deliberately" doing to the male race.

Not all of us are fishing for looks and wanting attention. You must have an over-active libido that is causing that reaction to happen every time you so much and look at a woman.

I'm not saying it's about me/men, I'm saying it's because of me/men. Women feel good when they look good because men like them when they look good. That's not the same as saying that women dress up purely to attract the attention of men. I don't see why the distinction is so hard to grasp.

I have a pretty average libido I think; I'm just more honest about it than most guys (who have been conditioned, in conversations like this one, to lie about this stuff).

This may just be my bisexuality talking, but I try to look good for me, because I think I'd be attractive one way, as opposed to for my boyfriend, who thinks I'd look more attractive another way.

 

[Micalas]

Nope, I don't see why it should be socially acceptable for men to sleep around, yet if a women does they're a "slut" or a "slag".

Well when it comes down to it, women really do hold all of the cards when it comes to sex. We can go tit for tat but a woman is much more likely to turn down a man's advances than vice-verse. Another thing to consider is how much more work it takes to be a "man-whore" than to be a "slut."

To be a "man-whore" you need to look somewhat decent, be interesting enough to catch someone's eye, and money most of the time.

What do you need to be a "slut?" A vagina and the word yes somewhere in your vocabulary.

 

[Deathninja19]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jaiMzLhliA

Nuff said Jim, Nuff said

 

[Epic Fail 1977]

Just curious as to what exactly you're trying to say here.

How on Earth are you not swearing at him? At the very least, he's earned some sardonicism.

Why? Because I didn't mince my words? If you disagree, how about offering a little more argument and a little less sneer? Okay, you can keep the sneer (I did, after all, word my post provocatively) but an argument would still be nice.

Orgasms are involuntary. Some rape victims have felt traumatized by the confusion between their intellectual denial of sex, and the orgasm resulting from it. Some rapists actually strive to brink their victims to orgasm, under the belief that it somehow legitimizes it. Ultimately, the fact is irrelevant to whether a rape was justified or mollified in any fashion. Your post blames female victims for being "fucked up", as if they somehow share in the blame because of their involuntary physical reaction.

That's extremely insulting of you. I suggested no such thing. In fact I explicitly stated that I do not condone rape under any circumstances, and not anywhere did I suggest that women bring rape on themselves. What I did say is that women are fucked up. These seem like two very different statements to me. Don't put words in my mouth that were never there.

As for the orgasm being involuntary, I suggest you see my previous reply on that subject.

As for the women being traumatized by their intellectual denial of sex and the orgasm resulting from it: if the orgasm is a purely physical and involuntary thing (like bleeding) then why the trauma? Where's the conflict?

 

[chif-ii]

If they want a black dong in their backside no matter what it takes, who are we to begrudge them their wish?

*zipper sfx*

 

[quantumsoul]

Being sexually turned on by a woman doesn't make want to rape them. Rapists will be rapists regardless of how they dress. It's offensive to men to assume we're all just rapists waiting to happen.

 

[MaxwellEdison]

Since you completely ignored the reason of the march, I'll give it here, hoping no one's mislead.

A member of the police force said that if women want to stop getting raped, they should stop dressing like sluts.

Think about that.

Fashion these days, especially in women, is designed completely to attract the opposite sex. Oh, sure, they have touches here and there, but seriously look at how much is designed for this purpose. Think about how much our society emphasizes sex, and how much culture expect men to control the path of relationship, putting women, often, into the "attract people and hope for the best" space.

Then, blame them for getting raped.

These women are advocating freedom when it comes to their sexuality, when it comes to body autonomy, and when it comes to societal views on rape, using the term'slut' to gain attention for their cause. This is something that should be APPLAUDED and supported by all. Otherwise, have fun supporting the side that's blaming the victim for rape.
To the original poster - No. I find it a sign of how warped they are that you support the DISGUSTING comments made by that cop. I thought we moved past this last century.

 

[Steppin Razor]

Autonomic? My god, are you serious?

I get the feeling you don't actually know what the word means and have decided instead to make a fool of yourself by disagreeing.

It tells you a huge amount about the person and what they are like. Being a slut is not a good or healthy thing to be, hence the negative connotation.

I don't like it, therefore it is bad.

 

[Ris]

Ugh. "Reclaiming" an offensive word has never worked. They're all just as offensive as they always were, it's just that now it's become more confusing about who is "allowed" to use them and when.


Young people - particularly women - need to realise that they have a responsibility to themselves to keep safe. No, a man should never be excused from assaulting you because you were dressed like you were "asking for it", or whatever ridiculous excuse he might try to use. But that doesn't change the fact that a women dressed in a provocative manner is more likely to be a target than a woman who isn't. It's unfair, but it's the truth, and unfortunately there isn't really a way of stopping it from being the truth.

Dressing a little bit more, not drinking yourself impaired, not going off with people that you don't know... all really good ways of avoiding being someone's walking target.

 

[interspark]

"slut" is a description of someone, if they agree with that description and are proud of it then good for them! it's good to be open and honest about oneself

 

[UFOROMANTIC]

Escapist, I am disappoint.
Or rather, after this, Escapist, I am depress.

 

[LiquidGrape]

As for the women being traumatized by their intellectual denial of sex and the orgasm resulting from it: if the orgasm is a purely physical and involuntary thing (like bleeding) then why the trauma? Where's the conflict?

I can't believe I'm reading this.

 

[AgentNein]

I'm noting some missing logic here. Specifically, your implication that her self-worth is tied to an external appraisal of her looks, instead of an internal assessment, despite her statements to the contrary.

So you're saying that she (or anyone) would dress up even if nobody were there to see it?

You're saying that if if a girl was lost at birth and raised by wolves in the wild, she'd still like to dress up (assuming she found some dresses lying around somewhere)?

It depends on the dress, I think. Some are wonderfully comfortable and sensible. I have dressed up for no reason, at home, alone and worn a favorite dress that I think looks adorable on me. Why? Because I like to wear it. I'm sorry to say, it's not about you. It's not about what you may "think we are deliberately" doing to the male race.

Not all of us are fishing for looks and wanting attention. You must have an over-active libido that is causing that reaction to happen every time you so much and look at a woman.

I'm not saying it's about me/men, I'm saying it's because of me/men. Women feel good when they look good because men like them when they look good. That's not the same as saying that women dress up purely to attract the attention of men. I don't see why the distinction is so hard to grasp.

I have a pretty average libido I think; I'm just more honest about it than most guys (who have been conditioned, in conversations like this one, to lie about this stuff).

as I've said before, people dress nice because society links dressing nice or dressing sexy to self worth. Which is why I dress nice even when I'm heading to work. I could not give less of a shit about if my coworkers are attracted to me or not. I hate them all.

 

[Bran1470]

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They should be able to choose how they dress without the worry of being raped.

To be brutally honest, I don't think rapists choose their victims based entirely on their clothes, do you?

that guy looks like a potential rapist just saying.

 

[JonnWood]

I'm not saying it's about me/men, I'm saying it's because of me/men. Women feel good when they look good because men like them when they look good. That's not the same as saying that women dress up purely to attract the attention of men. I don't see why the distinction is so hard to grasp.

Counterpoint: asexuals and lesbians. I'm a dude who feels better about himself when he dresses up, and as far as I can tell it has nothing to do with whether girls like it. I don't see why that couldn't be the case with women.

I have a pretty average libido I think; I'm just more honest about it than most guys (who have been conditioned, in conversations like this one, to lie about this stuff).

Ah, yes, that old chestnut. "Everyone has the same opinions as me, they just won't admit it!" "The lurkers support me in email!" "The public knows 9/11 was a conspiracy!"

 

[Digitaldreamer7]

As many many people have stated before. Ill say again.

I believe women should be able to wear what they want and sleep with whomever they want without society calling them dirty names. What consenting adults choose to do is between them and should be completely legal. A healthy and safe sex life is good for men and women alike. I prefer women who have a healthy (condoms, contraceptives, regular std testing) and enjoyable sex life to those who don't.

However, I think that it IS good advice to dress appropriately for the situation and be safe. I'm not going to play pro football in flip flops because ill probably lose some toes, just as you probably shouldn't go jogging alone in your best stripper wear for fear of a few things, such as lack of breast support, terrible arch support, oh and arousing the local pervert on the corner.

If you are drunk on a Saturday night and in your hottest miniskirt with the 6in thigh high boots and that tube top... your best course of action would probably be to take a cab instead of walk. Even if you were wearing your pant suit and a coat it's still the best course of action. I think the skimpy (not bad) clothes could elevate the risk slightly, but, it's not the core reason why sexual assault happens.

 

[Dags90]

And people are still insisting otherwise. The general population: I know better than some stupid statistics gathered by a scholarly source!

To be fair, that study focused on adolescents. Maybe teenage boys are just significantly less affected by provocative dress and tittays than mature adults.

It could happen...

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

and rather then listening to advice on how to avoid rape

Gentlemen, it's time to point and laugh.

Spoiler

I've always wanted to bust out Spidey. I've yet to see anyone in the "provocative clothing leads to rape" camp show any statistics to support their claim.

 

[EmpressZombiKitty]

I'm noting some missing logic here. Specifically, your implication that her self-worth is tied to an external appraisal of her looks, instead of an internal assessment, despite her statements to the contrary.

So you're saying that she (or anyone) would dress up even if nobody were there to see it?

You're saying that if if a girl was lost at birth and raised by wolves in the wild, she'd still like to dress up (assuming she found some dresses lying around somewhere)?

It depends on the dress, I think. Some are wonderfully comfortable and sensible. I have dressed up for no reason, at home, alone and worn a favorite dress that I think looks adorable on me. Why? Because I like to wear it. I'm sorry to say, it's not about you. It's not about what you may "think we are deliberately" doing to the male race.

Not all of us are fishing for looks and wanting attention. You must have an over-active libido that is causing that reaction to happen every time you so much and look at a woman.

I'm not saying it's about me/men, I'm saying it's because of me/men. Women feel good when they look good because men like them when they look good. That's not the same as saying that women dress up purely to attract the attention of men. I don't see why the distinction is so hard to grasp.

I have a pretty average libido I think; I'm just more honest about it than most guys (who have been conditioned, in conversations like this one, to lie about this stuff).

I don't think you leering at me would make me feel good at all. Like I said before, I felt beautiful alone in the confines of my own home, alone. How is that because of men, that I feel good?