'Slut' Parade

[DTWolfwood]

I am reminded of Dave Chappelle's skit on a whore's uniform.

i don't mine them dressing to they way they do so long as they don't object to me treating them like a whore.

Meaning you walk up to them and ask how much for the night?

well you cant be that direct as soliciting is quite illegal, but yes more or less. Dont be mad if you get treated that way is all im saying.

 

[Trolldor]

There's nothing wrong with being proud of being able to pick up easy but being proud of being a slut? That's just pathetic. I don't care if you're male or female, if you're a slut I have no respect for you because you clearly have no respect for yourself.

Why don't they have respect for themselves?
At what point is "really enjoying sex" disrespectful to yourself?

There is a difference between enjoying sex and throwing yourself on everyone and anyone. Being a slut doesn't just mean you have sex a lot, it's also about the attitude and image you protray.

No, it's the attitude and image other people portray of you.

That's the whole point of the protests, to tell people to fuck off with their labels and preconceptions.

That doesn't make sense to my sleep deprived brain. And labelling people is just part of human nature. People don't call a girl a slut just because she's wearing revealing clothes or just because she is exceptionally flirty. They call a girl a slut because she does both of these things and more. The word slut gets thrown around a lot so some people don't really understand what a slut really is anymore.

And why should we then accept them?

A girl is free to sleep and flirt with as many other people, gender irrelevant, as she wishes. It is her life and her choice to make, and so long as harm is being done we have no cause to judge and make fact these absurd notions of propriety.

Hey I'm not saying I'd make fun of a girl that I thought was a slut, just that I wouldn't have any respect for them. Of course it's their life so they can do what they like but they just have to know that that's how society sees them. Everyone knows that you get judged so they have to be prepared to deal with it just like everyone else does. They aren't the only ones being judged for being who they are.

Then you won't object when I judge you, and gossip behind your back and create labels for you. That I invent or appropriate terms as slurs because I disagree with your behaviour.
As everybody knows that's normal and healthy and reasonable to do, there is nothing at all objectionable about it.
Like the word ******. Can't object to its use. Got no respect for them homosexuals.

 

[Trolldor]

I am reminded of Dave Chappelle's skit on a whore's uniform.

i don't mine them dressing to they way they do so long as they don't object to me treating them like a whore.

Meaning you walk up to them and ask how much for the night?

well you cant be that direct as soliciting is quite illegal, but yes more or less. Dont be mad if you get treated that way is all im saying.

Then you can't object to me treating you as I see fit based on what I think of you, no matter how insulting it might be.

 

[Jimbo1212]

Ah, but well all know that a burka is over the top. However if you have a drunk guy and girl in the same room, and the girl has been flirting with him all night and has gone home with him.....not all drunk men could say no, which is the problem.

It's not about whether the drunk guy says no. If either of them say no, the other should stop.

You want to try proposing a scenario where both of the particpants aren't in an altered state?

Sure, innocent girl walking down empty street gets raped by some crazy rapist. What she was doing and what she was wearing had nothing to do with the rape, she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
With all crimes, the events leading up to it can vary massively and thus shows how responsible the victim was, be it very or not at all.

those men have no business drinking. you're still responsible for your actions while drunk, whether you can control them or not.

Very true, but what good is it just to say that? These men still exist. They are still out there and still a danger, hence why the cop warned women as there is little he can do until it is too late. but of course these women did to stop to think about that before jumping into the feminist bandwagon.

 

[JonnWood]

You can't be an unintentional troll.

All you need is the mentality that whatever says to you, you're right. People agree with you? Because you're right. People disagree with you and ask for irritating little things like evidence and logic? It's because they can't handle the truth you know to be true.

Trolling is intentionally trying to provoke a reaction with what you say. It doesn't mean being bad at debating or, as a lot of people on this site think, having a different opinion to you.

I don't mean either of the two. I mean people for whom disagreement with them actually causes them pleasure. They will seek out people who will be irritated by their...unconventional views, because they honestly think that they should show all of the other people how wrong they are, and on some level because they like to get people upset.

 

[Trolldor]

You can't be an unintentional troll.

All you need is the mentality that whatever says to you, you're right. People agree with you? Because you're right. People disagree with you and ask for irritating little things like evidence and logic? It's because they can't handle the truth you know to be true.

Trolling is intentionally trying to provoke a reaction with what you say. It doesn't mean being bad at debating or, as a lot of people on this site think, having a different opinion to you.

I don't mean either of the two. I mean people for whom disagreement with them actually causes them pleasure. They will seek out people who will be irritated by their...unconventional views, because they honestly think that they should show all of the other people how wrong they are, and on some level because they like to get people upset.

Not a troll. They have conviction behind their opinion.

 

[DTWolfwood]

I am reminded of Dave Chappelle's skit on a whore's uniform.

i don't mine them dressing to they way they do so long as they don't object to me treating them like a whore.

Meaning you walk up to them and ask how much for the night?

well you cant be that direct as soliciting is quite illegal, but yes more or less. Dont be mad if you get treated that way is all im saying.

Then you can't object to me treating you as I see fit based on what I think of you, no matter how insulting it might be.

if how im dress lets you think that, of course not. I was asking for it

 

[Trolldor]

I am reminded of Dave Chappelle's skit on a whore's uniform.

i don't mine them dressing to they way they do so long as they don't object to me treating them like a whore.

Meaning you walk up to them and ask how much for the night?

well you cant be that direct as soliciting is quite illegal, but yes more or less. Dont be mad if you get treated that way is all im saying.

Then you can't object to me treating you as I see fit based on what I think of you, no matter how insulting it might be.

if how im dress lets you think that, of course not. I was asking for it

Oh, that's not only what I'm going to judge you on.
Maybe I just don't like the way you walk. Or the sound of your voice. Maybe you have a lisp.
I love judging people for arbitrary reasons and taking a high road for it.

 

[DTWolfwood]

I am reminded of Dave Chappelle's skit on a whore's uniform.

i don't mine them dressing to they way they do so long as they don't object to me treating them like a whore.

Meaning you walk up to them and ask how much for the night?

well you cant be that direct as soliciting is quite illegal, but yes more or less. Dont be mad if you get treated that way is all im saying.

Maybe for you but prostitution's perfectly legal here. And they will get mad no one likes to be insulted because of their choice of clothing.

Well than this isn't an issue where you are at. If your country is liberated enough to legalize prostitution, i don't see there being this kind of protest there ^-^ Plus, women who dress provocatively and not wanting that kind of attention is a paradox. Again its "confusing" in Dave Chappelle's own word XD

 

[JonnWood]

Does anyone else find this type of behavior ridiculous and shows how warped/hedonistic parts of Western society is becoming?

Nope, I don't see why it should be socially acceptable for men to sleep around, yet if a women does they're a "slut" or a "slag".

2 Reasons- 1: Being a slut is easy, just open your legs. Being a male stud is tough.
2- A key that opens a lot of doors is called a "Masterkey" and a door that gets opened with a lot of keys is called "A shitty lock"

There is little about vajayjays or vaginas that makes them inherently analogous to a lock. What you have is a double standard wrapped up in a "witty" aphorism.

 

[DTWolfwood]

I am reminded of Dave Chappelle's skit on a whore's uniform.

i don't mine them dressing to they way they do so long as they don't object to me treating them like a whore.

Meaning you walk up to them and ask how much for the night?

well you cant be that direct as soliciting is quite illegal, but yes more or less. Dont be mad if you get treated that way is all im saying.

Then you can't object to me treating you as I see fit based on what I think of you, no matter how insulting it might be.

if how im dress lets you think that, of course not. I was asking for it

Oh, that's not only what I'm going to judge you on.
Maybe I just don't like the way you walk. Or the sound of your voice. Maybe you have a lisp.
I love judging people for arbitrary reasons and taking a high road for it.

fine by me, remember "to each his own." Sorry if i like to follow societal norms instead of rebelling against it.

 

[Griffolion]

At uni we did a topic on blame assignment in cases of sexual assault. Put simply, men tended to blame the woman more if she was dressed scantily than if she was dressed 'respectably'. Women blamed the man across the board. I personally think girls shouldn't dress so scantily on nights out because (at least where I live) it can get very cold and there have been many incidences of girls going to hospital and nearly dying of hypothermia because of refusing to wear a coat. It's a really disturbing thing when girls are going to that length to simply look good.

I always prefer to see a girl's heart, not her skin (not heart literally, metaphorically). And any girl who chooses to be promiscuous I advise to just be careful and use protection.

 

[JonnWood]

With all crimes, the events leading up to it can vary massively and thus shows how responsible the victim was, be it very or not at all.

And in rape, the blame is on the perp, not the victim. Always. Talking about crimes in general is a Composition Fallacy. If all crimes were equal, jaywalkers could get the death sentence.

 

[Trolldor]

I am reminded of Dave Chappelle's skit on a whore's uniform.

i don't mine them dressing to they way they do so long as they don't object to me treating them like a whore.

Meaning you walk up to them and ask how much for the night?

well you cant be that direct as soliciting is quite illegal, but yes more or less. Dont be mad if you get treated that way is all im saying.

Then you can't object to me treating you as I see fit based on what I think of you, no matter how insulting it might be.

if how im dress lets you think that, of course not. I was asking for it

Oh, that's not only what I'm going to judge you on.
Maybe I just don't like the way you walk. Or the sound of your voice. Maybe you have a lisp.
I love judging people for arbitrary reasons and taking a high road for it.

fine by me, remember "to each his own." Sorry if i like to follow societal norms instead of rebelling against it.

I know man! Aren't societal norms just the greatest?

Girl on the left is such a slut, right?

 

[cobra_ky]

Ah, but well all know that a burka is over the top. However if you have a drunk guy and girl in the same room, and the girl has been flirting with him all night and has gone home with him.....not all drunk men could say no, which is the problem.

It's not about whether the drunk guy says no. If either of them say no, the other should stop.

You want to try proposing a scenario where both of the particpants aren't in an altered state?

Sure, innocent girl walking down empty street gets raped by some crazy rapist. What she was doing and what she was wearing had nothing to do with the rape, she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
With all crimes, the events leading up to it can vary massively and thus shows how responsible the victim was, be it very or not at all.

so if a drunk girl flirting with a guy can get raped, and a sober girl doing nothing at all can get raped, what makes one victim more or less responsible than the other?

those men have no business drinking. you're still responsible for your actions while drunk, whether you can control them or not.

Very true, but what good is it just to say that? These men still exist. They are still out there and still a danger, hence why the cop warned women as there is little he can do until it is too late. but of course these women did to stop to think about that before jumping into the feminist bandwagon.

he didn't say "don't get drunk and go home with drunk men", he said "don't dress like a slut". there's no good to saying that either, since how you dress has little to do with how likely you are to be raped.

 

[JonnWood]

fine by me, remember "to each his own." Sorry if i like to follow societal norms instead of rebelling against it.

There is a distinct irony in you using posting that bearing the name and likeness of a gunslinging priest.

 

[agrajagthetesty]

JonnWood has already pointed out the most important flaw in your argument here. I'd also just like to add that what a rapist wants is power over another person - to humiliate, control, and psychologically destroy them - rather than the sex itself. Given this, it actually seems that a rapist would be less likely to target a woman that he thinks would be up for sex. After all, if she consents, he can't have that power over her.

well more importantly, if she consents we're not talking about rape anymore. just two people having consensual sex.

Indeed. And that's not what rapists want from people.

 

[JonnWood]

At uni we did a topic on blame assignment in cases of sexual assault. Put simply, men tended to blame the woman more if she was dressed scantily than if she was dressed 'respectably'.

Sample size? Were these men or actual perps?

 

[Griffolion]

At uni we did a topic on blame assignment in cases of sexual assault. Put simply, men tended to blame the woman more if she was dressed scantily than if she was dressed 'respectably'.

Sample size? Were these men or actual perps?

Was an undergraduate 2 week project. 60 respondents consisting of 30 men, 30 women. 4 groups: Male, scantily dressed | male, respectably dressed | female, scantily dressed | female, respectably dressed.

All participants read a shot vignette which basically depicted a girl going out with friends and getting sexually assaulted by a guy she'd met at a club. The two obvious differentiators were in one she was respectably dressed (jeans, blouse, sensible shoes etc) and the other she was dressed scantily (mini skirt, boob tube, 3 inch heels etc).

After reading they were asked a 10 pointed questionnaire, two of the questions were the ones we were looking at, the other 8 were to detract any suspicion and thus reduce the chance of getting socially favourable answers.

See my original post for the basic gist of the results. They conformed to pre-existing literature among the academic community.

I should also mention, the male participants were not screened for previous convictions or anything and were completely unwitting to the study until we opportunistically approached them.

 

[ObsidianJones_v1legacy]

I personally get why women are upset. No one deserves to have a target painted on their heads because they happen to wear a certain thing.

However.

I'm a minority that happens to live near New York City. I remember when I was told what I could and couldn't wear in certain places for the very real reason of being jumped at best or being killed at worst. When I asked why, they asked me was it more important that I got to wear Red or Blue that day, or if I wanted to live?

The cop was wrong to say what he did. Plain and simple. However, it does not change the fact that some people will hone in to certain things. It's up to the individual with how much risk they are willing to incur on themselves vs their personal freedom.

A woman should be able to wear what she wants without having something horrible happen to them and being blamed for it. I and many people should be able to walk down Time Square and not look at every car and wonder if there's a bomb in there. People in the Middle East should be able to go to the damn Market and not be shot to pieces just because they wanted salad that night. We can not live in a world of 'shoulds' because that's not our world. We live in a very dangerous, sick place and we have to acknowledge it and act accordingly.

TLR version. Women, wear what you want, but don't be ignorant to the fact that most rapists are sick and will take almost ANYTHING as a provocation. Rational people do not rape, so thinking about it rationally will not save anyone.