So about that Total Biscuit article....

[jademunky]

Really good article, funny that I would have never heard of Laura if not for Jim Sterling's podcast. I really should look into some of her other stuff.

Yeah, the OP is totally missing the point. You should not HAVE to be prepared for harassment for doing your job. Any blame goes to the harassers alone and suggesting that someone who is not psychologically equipped to deal with nonstop threats (so most people) should just not do their job is really clueless.

 

[CritialGaming]

Yeah, the OP is totally missing the point. You should not HAVE to be prepared for harassment for doing your job. Any blame goes to the harassers alone and suggesting that someone who is not psychologically equipped to deal with nonstop threats (so most people) should just not do their job is really clueless.

The thing is, she doesn't deal with constant threats and harassment. She only ever gets a surge of shit when she writes articles like this. Every other article she writes goes wonderfully. She has a fan base that truly loves her reporting on upcoming products, game reviews, even joking topics. Yet the when she goes to produce an article about a serious subject, or an SJW-theme THEN she gets the shit thrown her way.

And it happens everytime. And that's my problem with it. This isn't her first article that led to bullshit, and she has an apparent breakdown every single time. At some point I just have ask her why she keeps dipping her toes into lava if she doesn't want to get burned. I don't want to excuse harassment, and you can't really stop people from doing it if they have the mind to do it. But you could limit a lot of hate by not provoking it.

That's all I'm trying to point out. That's victim blaming though so fuck me I guess.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Someone had the audacity to be a trans woman on the internet.

That pretty much explains it all, unfortunately.

And she was talking about harassment on the internet, 4/8 chan was gearing up to have a go at her too. It's really goddamned sad. Guess those chumps will have to wait for GDQ to come around again.

I wish I had the kind of energy to spare that these saps have. It'd make editing video a snap.

 

[StatusNil]

When the ringleader siccing their hordes on you is not only a "renowned anti-harassment activist" and member of the Twitter "Trust and Safety Council", but also has the power to personally get you blacklisted in your profession:

Dunno, maybe there's like a problem here, despite the fact that we're supposed to "ignore" the "irrelevant" Ms. Sarkeesian?

Nah, let's all just keep giving more power to these tyrants to spite the commoners who resent it. That'll surely never bite us in the ass if we develop contrary views!

 

[starbear]

When the ringleader siccing their hordes on you is not only a "renowned anti-harassment activist" and member of the Twitter "Trust and Safety Council", but also has the power to personally get you blacklisted in your profession:

Dunno, maybe there's like a problem here, despite the fact that we're supposed to "ignore" the "irrelevant" Ms. Sarkeesian?

Nah, let's all just keep giving more power to these tyrants to spite the commoners who resent it. That'll surely never bite us in the ass if we develop contrary views!

Anita Sarkeesian did not sic any hordes on anyone. Unless you can show otherwise, the Feminist Frequency twitter account posted twice on this matter:

"Outrageous & irresponsible of Kotaku UK to post this puff-piece on a Gamergater on the hate movement's anniversary."

https://twitter.com/femfreq/status/897886510409687041

And this one:

"You can strongly disagree with & condemn something that someone says or does on the internet, but doxxing a marginalized person is never OK."

https://twitter.com/femfreq/status/897948579980955648

Lets just stick to the facts. The first tweet addressed the article and its contents only. It didn't attack Laura. The second tweet was obviously not an attack: but a defense of Laura.

If you don't want people to have an opinion we may as well shut these messageboards down. I wholeheartedly both think Laura Kate is one of the most awesome people in the world, and that the critique from Feminist Frequency was both (IMHO) correct, and needed to be said.

 

[RaikuFA]

I guess it's nice to know that whatever happens I can always count on some gamers acting like rancid turds on the internet.

I'm confused though. I mean, how is that article remotely controversial? It just TB talking about moderation tools. It's quite boring actually. I imagine it could be useful if I was a streamer or whatever.

And what the fuck is up with the victim-blaming?

Supposedly it's on the anniversary of a event most of us forgot about and for the right reasons too.

 

[Worgen]

Why would anyone have a problem with this article? What the fuck is wrong with people?

It was an interview with someone polemic, known for defending GamersGate, never mentioned GamersGate... and it was published on GamersGate Day (yesterday). She didn't knew the last part (neither I did); but you know that doesn't matter in this mess. GG brings out the worst out from the people (even from those you least expect).

Wait, totalbiscut is a gamer gate fan? Ugh, what the hell.

 

[CaitSeith]

When the ringleader siccing their hordes on you is not only a "renowned anti-harassment activist" and member of the Twitter "Trust and Safety Council", but also has the power to personally get you blacklisted in your profession:

Dunno, maybe there's like a problem here, despite the fact that we're supposed to "ignore" the "irrelevant" Ms. Sarkeesian?

Nah, let's all just keep giving more power to these tyrants to spite the commoners who resent it. That'll surely never bite us in the ass if we develop contrary views!

Fake tweeter account, mate. Next time try the REAL ONE!

EDIT: OK, Facebook post, my mistake.

 

[RaikuFA]

When the ringleader siccing their hordes on you is not only a "renowned anti-harassment activist" and member of the Twitter "Trust and Safety Council", but also has the power to personally get you blacklisted in your profession:

Dunno, maybe there's like a problem here, despite the fact that we're supposed to "ignore" the "irrelevant" Ms. Sarkeesian?

Nah, let's all just keep giving more power to these tyrants to spite the commoners who resent it. That'll surely never bite us in the ass if we develop contrary views!

Fake tweeter account, mate. Next time try the REAL ONE!

I think thats Facebook.

 

[StatusNil]

Fake tweeter account, mate. Next time try the REAL ONE!

Fake tweeter? I'm not big on social media, but isn't that more of a Facebook screenshot or something?

I'm not on these platforms, but seems legit enough to me.

 

[RaikuFA]

"You can strongly disagree with & condemn something that someone says or does on the internet, but doxxing a marginalized person is never OK."

https://twitter.com/femfreq/status/897948579980955648

No, doxxing is never ok. Doesn't matter if they're marginalized or not.

 

[Deadguy2322]

"You can strongly disagree with & condemn something that someone says or does on the internet, but doxxing a marginalized person is never OK."

https://twitter.com/femfreq/status/897948579980955648

No, doxxing is never ok. Doesn't matter if they're marginalized or not.

Any reasonable person agrees with this, but a lot of the leftists online, especially in cesspits like NeoGAF, honestly believe that all thoughtcrime must result in the destruction of the entire life and livelihood of the regressive who dare oppose the forces of campus-radical PC crusaders must be destroyed.

 

[jademunky]

Any reasonable person agrees with this, but a lot of the leftists online, especially in cesspits like NeoGAF, honestly believe that all thoughtcrime must result in the destruction of the entire life and livelihood of the regressive who dare oppose the forces of campus-radical PC crusaders must be destroyed.

By that you mean some people believe that stuff on the internet is not happening in some parallel dimension? That things said that would get you shunned, fired or charged with a crime in real life should still carry those consequences over when there is a keyboard in front of you?

 

[Ogoid]

Wait, totalbiscut is a gamer gate fan? Ugh, what the hell.

Insofar as he's said something to the effect of "you know, maybe they do have a point about gaming journalism being a mess" a handful of times over the last couple of years, yes.

 

[The Lunatic]

By that you mean some people believe that stuff on the internet is not happening in some parallel dimension? That things said that would get you shunned, fired or charged with a crime in real life should still carry those consequences over when there is a keyboard in front of you?

Sure, but, that's for the police or some authority to decide.

Not a roaming mob of idiots on twitter.

 

[starbear]

"You can strongly disagree with & condemn something that someone says or does on the internet, but doxxing a marginalized person is never OK."

https://twitter.com/femfreq/status/897948579980955648

No, doxxing is never ok. Doesn't matter if they're marginalized or not.

Its both hilarious and sad that Sarkeesian get pilloried for things she didn't do (like siccing her fans onto Laura Kate) and things that she did do (denouncing doxxing: but not to your satisfaction.)

 

[RaikuFA]

"You can strongly disagree with & condemn something that someone says or does on the internet, but doxxing a marginalized person is never OK."

https://twitter.com/femfreq/status/897948579980955648

No, doxxing is never ok. Doesn't matter if they're marginalized or not.

Its both hilarious and sad that Sarkeesian get pilloried for things she didn't do (like siccing her fans onto Laura Kate) and things that she did do (denouncing doxxing: but not to your satisfaction.)

So it's ok to doxx certain people?

 

[starbear]

"You can strongly disagree with & condemn something that someone says or does on the internet, but doxxing a marginalized person is never OK."

https://twitter.com/femfreq/status/897948579980955648

No, doxxing is never ok. Doesn't matter if they're marginalized or not.

Its both hilarious and sad that Sarkeesian get pilloried for things she didn't do (like siccing her fans onto Laura Kate) and things that she did do (denouncing doxxing: but not to your satisfaction.)

So it's ok to doxx certain people?

Why are you asking me that, and not directing that to the Fem Frequency twitter account? Are you ignoring the probability that the person who posted that tweet may have simply misspoke? Has Anita Sarkeesian at any time ever publicly endorsed doxxing? Do you think the intention of that tweet was to say "doxxing is okay in certain circumstances" or was it telling people to "stop doxxing Laura Kate?" Why are you taking the worst possible interpretation of that particular tweet?

 

[Silent Protagonist]

"You can strongly disagree with & condemn something that someone says or does on the internet, but doxxing a marginalized person is never OK."

https://twitter.com/femfreq/status/897948579980955648

This tweet subtly but very cleanly demonstrates the problem so many people have with the ctrl-left or regressives or SJWs or whatever the term is these days. Doxxing a marginalized person is never OK. Doxxing other people is OK though. No bad tactics, only bad targets.

Sometimes I feel like a starving man being offered poisoned food. These people frequently champion very real issues but it seems like more often than not their proposed cure is worse than the disease. I think I'm mixing my metaphors and getting my point all confused. Long story short I am very frustrated and am quickly learning we are fixated on the wrong axis of the political compass.

Also harassment is bad, criticism is good, try to present your views in a manner that doesn't blur the line between the two.

 

[RaikuFA]

"You can strongly disagree with & condemn something that someone says or does on the internet, but doxxing a marginalized person is never OK."

https://twitter.com/femfreq/status/897948579980955648

No, doxxing is never ok. Doesn't matter if they're marginalized or not.

Its both hilarious and sad that Sarkeesian get pilloried for things she didn't do (like siccing her fans onto Laura Kate) and things that she did do (denouncing doxxing: but not to your satisfaction.)

So it's ok to doxx certain people?

Why are you asking me that, and not directing that to the Fem Frequency twitter account? Are you ignoring the probability that the person who posted that tweet may have simply misspoke? Has Anita Sarkeesian at any time ever publicly endorsed doxxing? Do you think the intention of that tweet was to say "doxxing is okay in certain circumstances" or was it telling people to "stop doxxing Laura Kate?" Why are you taking the worst possible interpretation of that particular tweet?

Because she's a public figure. People look up to her. If she says "don't dox marginalized people" people will take that as "It's ok to dox straight white men. They're not marginalized." not just the people on r/redpill who will use it as ammo against her, but her devout followers, thinking it's ok to bring harm and fear to someone over something as horribly benign as what race,gender or sexuality they are. She was in the wrong on this whole thing.

But what do I know? I'm just a white, pansexual, mentally challenged man. Two(three under certain people who don't think pan should be counted under LGBTQ+) of those things are grounds to try and hurt me and ruin my life.

Also you didn't answer my question.