So, apparently WW is pretty good.

[Zhukov]

BAH, I wanna know if its treats its warfare as epic and glorious as possible!!!

Dude, it's set in WWI, not fucking Narnia.

Go look up some journals and letters from the soldiers who fought in WWI. Count the number of times they mention how epic and glorious it is after they've spent a few months staving off trench foot and enduring artillery bombardment.

Add to that the fact that it's a prequel to a film in which the main character had decided that Mankind wasn't worth helping. How do you think that's going to end?

I don't want Jokes in a Superhero movie because its corny, its cringy, and it only serve to take away any and all seriousness and care I have for the chararcaters and the story.

Yes, we must respect the utter seriousness of a flying man in tight pants with laser eyes.

Humour is a very humanizing trait. Actually, I'd argue that it's one of the most humanizing traits. It forms a large part of informal interactions between people. It even has a place in dark and grim narratives because humour is a common coping mechanism.

Take out all humour and you end up with a film about two perpetually miserable idiots scowling at each other between punches.

It worked with the Dark Knight Trilogy.

Granted, that's not a 1:1 comparison (lack of laser eyes), but as a concept, it strikes me as being sound. Logan is another example.

Well, it worked for The Dark Knight. The other two thirds of that trilogy were crap. There's a reason you don't call it the "Batman Begins Trilogy".

Like I said, it can work as a deconstruction in competent hands. Which TDK had. See also, Logan.

Also, Batman is a different character with a completely different tone to Superman. Half of DCs movie problem is that they've been trying to treat every character like Batman because Batman is what worked for them in the past. "Just make The Dark Knight again, but this time with Superman. Also, stick Batman in everything that isn't Batman. Batman. Bat. Man."

Hopefully the people making Wonder Woman have finally figured out that that's a shitty idea.

 

[Hawki]

Dude, it's set in WWI, not fucking Narnia.

Go look up some journals and letters from the soldiers who fought in WWI. Count the number of times they mention how epic and glorious it is after they've spent a few months staving off trench foot and enduring artillery bombardment.

Add to that the fact that it's a prequel to a film in which the main character had decided that Mankind wasn't worth helping. How do you think that's going to end?

Hah, you can't trust soldiers' letters. They're all lies. History's a lie. History never told me that WWII was really a battle between the Allies and Hydra, and they had laser guns!

Well, it worked for The Dark Knight. The other two thirds of that trilogy were crap. There's a reason you don't call it the "Batman Begins Trilogy".

It's called "The Dark Knight Trilogy" by virtue of the second film being the best, and it being the more common title (Dark Knight, Dark Knight rises). Also disagree with your assessment on the others. For me, it goes 2>1>3, with the first two being "good," the third being "average."

Also, Batman is a different character with a completely different tone to Superman. Half of DCs movie problem is that they've been trying to treat every character like Batman because Batman is what worked for them in the past. "Just make The Dark Knight again, but this time with Superman. Also, stick Batman in everything that isn't Batman. Batman. Bat. Man."

I can't comment on the wider DC franchise, but I don't really see particular similarities between MoS and Batman. In as much that MoS is a bit more down to earth and grimmer, but that's it. Supes doesn't rely on stealth, and last I checked, Batman wasn't fighting an alien invasion. Similar in tone? Yeah, I guess. But the MCU has a universal tone as well and people seem fine with that.

Hopefully the people making Wonder Woman have finally figured out that that's a shitty idea.

Hah, joke's on you! Apparently he turns up in the prologue.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

BAH, I wanna know if its treats its warfare as epic and glorious as possible!!!

Dude, it's set in WWI, not fucking Narnia.

Go look up some journals and letters from the soldiers who fought in WWI. Count the number of times they mention how epic and glorious it is after they've spent a few months staving off trench foot and enduring artillery bombardment.

Add to that the fact that it's a prequel to a film in which the main character had decided that Mankind wasn't worth helping. How do you think that's going to end?

I don't want Jokes in a Superhero movie because its corny, its cringy, and it only serve to take away any and all seriousness and care I have for the chararcaters and the story.

Yes, we must respect the utter seriousness of a flying man in tight pants with laser eyes.

Humour is a very humanizing trait. Actually, I'd argue that it's one of the most humanizing traits. It forms a large part of informal interactions between people. It even has a place in dark and grim narratives because humour is a common coping mechanism.

Take out all humour and you end up with a film about two perpetually miserable idiots scowling at each other between punches.

It worked with the Dark Knight Trilogy.

Granted, that's not a 1:1 comparison (lack of laser eyes), but as a concept, it strikes me as being sound. Logan is another example.

Well, it worked for The Dark Knight. The other two thirds of that trilogy were crap. There's a reason you don't call it the "Batman Begins Trilogy".

Like I said, it can work as a deconstruction in competent hands. Which TDK had. See also, Logan.

Also, Batman is a different character with a completely different tone to Superman. Half of DCs movie problem is that they've been trying to treat every character like Batman because Batman is what worked for them in the past. "Just make The Dark Knight again, but this time with Superman. Also, stick Batman in everything that isn't Batman. Batman. Bat. Man."

Hopefully the people making Wonder Woman have finally figured out that that's a shitty idea.

But with humour, you also run the risk of just being an embarrisment, to the point where its just shameful and annoying.

 

[Souplex]

I don't want Jokes in a Superhero movie because its corny, its cringy, and it only serve to take away any and all seriousness and care I have for the chararcaters and the story.

Seriously, though, (no pun intended) I agree that folks fluttering about in silly costumes beating up generic bad guys deserves the gravest and most somber respect.[footnote]I figured you were being sarcastic so I ran with it.[/footnote]

Superheroes is serious business!

 

[cthulhuspawn82]

It would be interesting to see how they handle Justice League if Superman comes back. Considering the issues Superman had with the way Batman handled things, how and he and Diana going to get along? Her lasso is the ultimate civil rights violation.

 

[Natemans]

Do any of these reports say if this movie treats war in a respectful manner?

BAH, I wanna know if its treats its warfare as epic and glorious as possible!!!

Okay, I think you are setting your standards of battles way too high.

Also I agree with you on LOTR's battles, but 300? Nah, I find it way too over-the-top for my tastes.

Its supposed to be over the top, like Conan the Barbarian, which makes it all the more badass.

And I have other battles to show off:

But the fighting in 300 isn't entertaining imo. Its just too over-the-top to the point of being a bit too cartoonish in my taste. Especially the obnoxious slow-down speed-up thing.

 

[Natemans]

No I am serious. Clearly you have not read any of my posts of my many debates here for years now.

You were serious?

And I can't say anything against you because your a mod

But seriously, I just think that humor that comes off from Superhero movies these days are just corny and cringeworthy. I mean I have a sense of humor, but I have standards and stupid corny shlock like Guardians of the Galaxy just makes me facepalm.

I know people have different tastes, but humor is supposed to be a form of levity for the heroes based on the burdens and makes them feel more grounded. Also Guardians rocked. If you didn't like it, that's fine, but I don't get when you mean by facepalm.

What I mean by facepalm is that I find the jokes just embarrising to watch.

Really? I found the jokes to be kinda clever and really funny. They worked well with the tone and style the film was going for.

Its not just Guardians of the Galaxy, just the overall tone and jokes of Marvel movies in general.

Are you kidding me? Yes, they have jokes. Who cares? Its called adding levity and keeping the characters grounded in a situation. Hell, the Marvel movies do a great job of embracing the goofiness of the source and still do a good balance of story, characters and some lighthearted fun while also giving you an interesting world to look towards.

 

[Natemans]

@Hawki

But I don't want everything to be turned into Deadpool either.

Okay, that is a different style of humor all together. Deadpool's is more juvenile and sadistic as opposed to what Marvel does. I mean, if you want a Marvel movie coming close to that level of humor, maybe Amazing Spider-Man 2.

 

[Natemans]

BAH, I wanna know if its treats its warfare as epic and glorious as possible!!!

Dude, it's set in WWI, not fucking Narnia.

Go look up some journals and letters from the soldiers who fought in WWI. Count the number of times they mention how epic and glorious it is after they've spent a few months staving off trench foot and enduring artillery bombardment.

Add to that the fact that it's a prequel to a film in which the main character had decided that Mankind wasn't worth helping. How do you think that's going to end?

I don't want Jokes in a Superhero movie because its corny, its cringy, and it only serve to take away any and all seriousness and care I have for the chararcaters and the story.

Yes, we must respect the utter seriousness of a flying man in tight pants with laser eyes.

Humour is a very humanizing trait. Actually, I'd argue that it's one of the most humanizing traits. It forms a large part of informal interactions between people. It even has a place in dark and grim narratives because humour is a common coping mechanism.

Take out all humour and you end up with a film about two perpetually miserable idiots scowling at each other between punches.

It worked with the Dark Knight Trilogy.

Granted, that's not a 1:1 comparison (lack of laser eyes), but as a concept, it strikes me as being sound. Logan is another example.

Well, it worked for The Dark Knight. The other two thirds of that trilogy were crap. There's a reason you don't call it the "Batman Begins Trilogy".

Like I said, it can work as a deconstruction in competent hands. Which TDK had. See also, Logan.

Also, Batman is a different character with a completely different tone to Superman. Half of DCs movie problem is that they've been trying to treat every character like Batman because Batman is what worked for them in the past. "Just make The Dark Knight again, but this time with Superman. Also, stick Batman in everything that isn't Batman. Batman. Bat. Man."

Hopefully the people making Wonder Woman have finally figured out that that's a shitty idea.

But with humour, you also run the risk of just being an embarrisment, to the point where its just shameful and annoying.

Yet Marvel does a good balance of humor as well as adding good storytelling and characters. Also the Dark Knight trilogy did have moments of humor and so did Richard Donner's Superman.

 

[Zhukov]

[snip]

Also, while I'm at it, you've picked some really odd examples for "epic and glorious" warfare.

Kingdom of Heaven depicts war as dirty, messy, wasteful and largely unjustified. The first major action scene kicks off with a man being shot with a crossbow while he squats down to take a shit. A major character dies not in a glorious last stand or epic duel but from a lingering wound inflicted by an unnamed nobody. The character who is routinely portrayed as good, down-to-earth, affable and sensible dies off-screen in a futile and disastrous defeat brought about by incompetent leadership. Another sympathetic and sensible character throws up his hands, says "Fuck this, I'm out" and just quits. The battle in the scene you linked ends with men rolling about in the dust among the corpses trying to throttle and eye-gouge each other. It ends with all the bloodshed having been for absolutely nothing.

I can't help but think you weren't paying much attention while watching that movie.

Antz is a comedy. Y'know, with those terrible joke things everywhere. Even then the battle is depicted as a scary and crappy place to be.

 

[pookie101]

@Hawki

But I don't want everything to be turned into Deadpool either.

i want a deadpool post credits scene after EVERY movie

on topic.im looking forward to wonder woman and thats saying something.. ive never been a fan but this looks good

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

[snip]

Also, while I'm at it, you've picked some really odd examples for "epic and glorious" warfare.

Kingdom of Heaven depicts war as dirty, messy, wasteful and largely unjustified. The first major action scene kicks off with a man being shot with a crossbow while he squats down to take a shit. A major character dies not in a glorious last stand or epic duel but from a lingering wound inflicted by an unnamed nobody. The character who is routinely portrayed as good, down-to-earth, affable and sensible dies off-screen in a futile and disastrous defeat brought about by incompetent leadership. Another sympathetic and sensible character throws up his hands, says "Fuck this, I'm out" and just quits. The battle in the scene you linked ends with men rolling about in the dust among the corpses trying to throttle and eye-gouge each other. It ends with all the bloodshed having been for absolutely nothing.

I can't help but think you weren't paying much attention while watching that movie.

Antz is a comedy. Y'know, with those terrible joke things everywhere. Even then the battle is depicted as a scary and crappy place to be.

Yeah I know Kingdom of Heaven and Antz is gritty, dirty and sad, but goddamn was the scope of it so epic and massive. Like the initial moment all that adreneline rush of charging at your enemy, massive armies beside you, you can't help but feel at awe. But than after all is said and done, the reek of dead corpses around you, all your energy drained and the realization of how sad the whole affair is.

And that's what I think when it comes Warfare, Arcturus Mengsk from Starcraft sums it up fittingly:

"Make no mistake, War is coming"

In all its Glory:


And all its Horror:

 

[maninahat]

BAH, I wanna know if its treats its warfare as epic and glorious as possible!!!

Dude, it's set in WWI, not fucking Narnia.

Go look up some journals and letters from the soldiers who fought in WWI. Count the number of times they mention how epic and glorious it is after they've spent a few months staving off trench foot and enduring artillery bombardment.

Actually some soldiers really did enjoy their time of it. People like Julian Grenfell described it as "a picnic" and Siegfried Sassoon "exciting" despite both devoting his life to anti-war poetry. Adrian Carton De Wiart treated the whole thing like sport, despite losing enough body parts to build a whole new person. The sad fact is that although we are taught to despise war, there are always going to be plenty of young people who find it inherently cool and fun. People would never become professional soldiers if they didn't.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Desperately hoping it turns out okay because if it fails, movie execs are going to learn all the wrong lessons from it.

That said, not seeing it for a week or three. Gotta let the initial reviews filter through and the hype deflate.

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

I can see early praise for this movie being true, it's not like DC's previous movies had set the bar very high.

 

[Hawki]

And that's what I think when it comes Warfare, Arcturus Mengsk from Starcraft sums it up fittingly:

I don't think Arcturus Mengsk is the kind of person that you want to listen to when it comes to the morality of warfare...

 

[Kyrian007]

I'm withholding my enthusiasm, and money, from Wonder Woman. I really would like for it to be good, but the "early" word was the same for MoS, BvS, SS... all the crappy DCEU movies. That were all terrible. I'm waiting for the reviews. Because the "mainstream" critics have done very well nailing how terrible the DCEU movies have been so far. The only DC movie I'll actually pay to see at this point will have the thumbs up from the critics. That will keep me from wasting my money on an awful movie... like I did when I watched Man of Steel. That day one dollar from me, never again.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

And that's what I think when it comes Warfare, Arcturus Mengsk from Starcraft sums it up fittingly:

I don't think Arcturus Mengsk is the kind of person that you want to listen to when it comes to the morality of warfare...

Sometimes even the most despicable of people have some words of wisdom.

 

[WindKnight]

Desperately hoping it turns out okay because if it fails, movie execs are going to learn all the wrong lessons from it.

That said, not seeing it for a week or three. Gotta let the initial reviews filter through and the hype deflate.

I'm very much this, given how long Catwoman and Electra were treated as 'proof' that super-heroines were inherently box office poison, not the fact they were garbage movies sunk by (deserved) bad word of mouth.

I'll wait for the reviews before committing.... though still waiting for colossal and get out here.

 

[happyninja42]

Desperately hoping it turns out okay because if it fails, movie execs are going to learn all the wrong lessons from it.

That said, not seeing it for a week or three. Gotta let the initial reviews filter through and the hype deflate.

Just curious, but when you say "turns out ok", do you mean "It's incredibly profitable" ? Or do you mean "Is critically acclaimed as being very good" ? Because I only see one of those two scenarios really mattering to movie execs, and it's the former. Which, sadly, can be said for MoS and BvS. For all the shit they got from fans/critics, they made a shit ton of money. So, WW could be a steaming pile of shit too, but it still might make a ton of money.