I thought the movie was pretty good, considering how Super Hero movies are usually. The tone and pacing was on point for the most part, and there was some pretty solid action sequences. Yes, the climatic fight with Wonder Woman was below standards, but Marvel has done a number of climaxes that were not terribly great, so I can give this one an easy pass when everything leading up to it was solid.
So, apparently WW is pretty good.
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It was a reboot, and they didn't. Her extra pounds went down the memory hole right along side a couple of Batgirls and Wally West.Bob_McMillan said:
Amanda Waller's a *****, but that's kinda the point. She's this giant workaholic who works so hard to get the things she wants her way no matter the cost. Its kinda understandable too based on her backstory. The whole skinny thing is stupid.Samtemdo8 said:
Actually, she is back to her "normal" self (she kinda looks like Viola Davis. Her actor in Suicide Squad). That's what I meant, she no longer looks like a super model. They brought back Wally too, but at least they tried explaining it. With Waller, it was just BOOM she doubled in size, got shorter, and aged two decades. Without any explanation as far as I know.altnameJag said:
I used the term "proto-Nazis" as a moral barometer, whereby media villains who are emphatically not connected to the Third Reich in any way go on to behave as pointlessly evil as them anyway, just to jackhammer the point into the audience's faces about who to root for. For example, see SS Oberstgruppenfuhrer Tavington of His Majesty's Redcoats casually shooting unarmed wounded, innocent civilians and then locking entire villages inside churches and burning them alive in The Patriot, because apparently America in 1776 was actually the Eastern Front, 1944. So basically what I'm asking is, does the film go out of its way to showcase the horrors of war as entirely deriding from the devilish Hun? And also whether the German soldiers can fight for shit, or are just feldgrau punching bags for Wonder Woman to dispatch with ease and a quip.Laughing Man said:
Also! You snipped out my name on your reply post so I didn't actually get this as a notification, I had to go looking through the forum manually, like some sort of pre-industrial crazy person!
Gordon_4 said:
Hmmm, I suppose they *have* to have the evil German villain and throw in some idiot executions of his own troops for good measure....wait wait wait, hang on! Why do they have to do that!? Why is Wonder Woman fighting against the Germans when, I assume that as an Amazon, she shouldn't have any cultural/political affinity with the Entente whatsoever? Aren't they supposed to be sealing themselves off from the rest of the world?
Because Steve Trevor is American, and in WW1 the Americans fought Germany.Dragonlayer said:
Of course, I'm still not sold on changing the setting to WW1 instead of WW2, but I've heard enough good things I'm going to give it a shot.
Like I said, the movie is by no means perfect. Ludendorff would probably have ended up a hero of the Nazi party in the DCEU. As for her motivation to side with Entente, the first contact she had with the Germans wasDragonlayer said:
them storming her island to kill Steve Trevor as a spy (which is fair enough on its own) but they act with no caution whatsoever coming ashore on an island that they have literally passed through a magic fog to reach. So in short; they kill dozens of people Diana has known for five thousand years including Antiope; her aunt, the general of the army and the one who trained her in secret until Hippolyta allowed her to train formally.
For what its worth, while she does basically hand the German's their arses in the fight scenes, she's NOT dropping quips like Buffy the Vampire Slayer while she's doing it and there is little to visually distinguish the British and German troops other than their uniform. They all look haggard, tired and confused: they fight as well as they can but fact is Diana is a massive force multiplier. It would be like giving the British at Rorke's Drift the equipment of a modern infantry regiment.
I'll echo this, pretty much exactly how I felt.Callate said:
I just want to add that I actually laughed a few times, in a DC movie! And at the parts of the film that I was supposed to laugh at, no less!!
I love the Wonder Woman movie, and it met my expectations. I give it a huge recommendation to DCU fans or non-fans alike. My overall feeling of the DC Universe films are this: loved Man of Steel, liked Batman V. Superman (though the directors cut makes the film more enjoyable for me), and Suicide Squad I am really mixed about. My biggest sticking point that the third movie had obvious and unnecessary edits and re-shoots. SS also made me hate Waller more than I could ever imagine.
Not a fan of DC in general but I watched it yesterday and it's legitimately good.
Nice setup, good cast, great acting...middling writing. Action scenes were well done. Still a little too much emphasis on weird camera light filters but I can get over that. Good movie on its own and will give any sequel a fair shake. I'm still not down with Justice League though. I just can't make myself give too much of a shit about the whole DC expanded universe.
Nice setup, good cast, great acting...middling writing. Action scenes were well done. Still a little too much emphasis on weird camera light filters but I can get over that. Good movie on its own and will give any sequel a fair shake. I'm still not down with Justice League though. I just can't make myself give too much of a shit about the whole DC expanded universe.
Not wanting to derail the thread but as a historian I was compelled to add this small bit:Dragonlayer said:
Tavington's character was based (loosely) on Banastre Tarleton, cavalry officer and all around asshat. Among the accusations made against him were 1) ordering his men to bayonet the bodies of the enemy for 15 minutes after a battle to ensure no survivors, 2) ordering an 8 year old's throat to be slit because the kid might reveal his cavalry's movements to the colonials, and 3) when at a British officer's soiree he was heard to claim that he had "lain more women in America than any other British Army officer." To which another officer was heard to say "Don't you mean raped more women?"
As an aside note:
Hey Rom, when did you come back to 21st century Earth and make an account? (please tell me that was actually the character you were referencing)
OT: I've heard a lot of good things from reviewers whose opinions and analysis I respect. I'm going to try and catch this one in the theaters.
Girlfriend wanted to see it for her birthday...she was hyped to see a female superhero movie.
It's...a fairly mediocre film, all told. The writing is middling to poor. The antagonists lack substance and personality, and the ones that appear on the surface to be interesting (such as Dr. Poison) are quickly revealed to have no depth. The penultimate villain is ludicrous...both in casting choice and visual appearance...and feels airlifted in from an older, stupider era in comic book films. The pacing is all over the map, with some sections dragging unnecessarily and others getting shoved through at breakneck speed. This leads to some major character dilemmas occurring and then being resolved in a matter of mere minutes. The music is pedestrian and generally failed to either excite or provoke emotion. The major pathos beats were largely signposted and consequentially fell flat. At times, the film veered perilously close to bog standard formula. On the flip side, it manages some light humor much MUCH better than the achingly self-conscious attempts at same in the woeful Suicide Squad.
What does elevate it is Gadot, who puts out a completely star making turn as the titular hero (it's a real word, no pun intended). She commands every scene she's in, and manages to effortlessly sell an utterly ludicrous character...the true test of any comic book film star. She's the female approximate of Chris Evans' fantastic Captain America. When the movie is successful, it's almost invariably because she's bringing emotion and texture to it through her expressive acting.
It's a performance that deserves a far better film assembled around it, frankly. Following Marvel's lead and forcing a uniform style on all these films and directors was a big mistake, and does this one no favors. Snyder's style is very flashy, very slick, very "Rule of Cool", and while there are some nicely choreographed action bits it all feels a bit too glossy and superficial. Gadot's performance by contrast feels very grounded and human, and the subject matter (the Great War and the terrible cost in human lives and suffering) merited something less glib and flashy. I'd love to see Gadot essay this character in a film like Logan...not so much as in "a film where she's old and bitter and beat to shit", but a film that isn't afraid to leave the stylistic conventions of its medium behind and concentrate on telling the best story possible.
It's...a fairly mediocre film, all told. The writing is middling to poor. The antagonists lack substance and personality, and the ones that appear on the surface to be interesting (such as Dr. Poison) are quickly revealed to have no depth. The penultimate villain is ludicrous...both in casting choice and visual appearance...and feels airlifted in from an older, stupider era in comic book films. The pacing is all over the map, with some sections dragging unnecessarily and others getting shoved through at breakneck speed. This leads to some major character dilemmas occurring and then being resolved in a matter of mere minutes. The music is pedestrian and generally failed to either excite or provoke emotion. The major pathos beats were largely signposted and consequentially fell flat. At times, the film veered perilously close to bog standard formula. On the flip side, it manages some light humor much MUCH better than the achingly self-conscious attempts at same in the woeful Suicide Squad.
What does elevate it is Gadot, who puts out a completely star making turn as the titular hero (it's a real word, no pun intended). She commands every scene she's in, and manages to effortlessly sell an utterly ludicrous character...the true test of any comic book film star. She's the female approximate of Chris Evans' fantastic Captain America. When the movie is successful, it's almost invariably because she's bringing emotion and texture to it through her expressive acting.
It's a performance that deserves a far better film assembled around it, frankly. Following Marvel's lead and forcing a uniform style on all these films and directors was a big mistake, and does this one no favors. Snyder's style is very flashy, very slick, very "Rule of Cool", and while there are some nicely choreographed action bits it all feels a bit too glossy and superficial. Gadot's performance by contrast feels very grounded and human, and the subject matter (the Great War and the terrible cost in human lives and suffering) merited something less glib and flashy. I'd love to see Gadot essay this character in a film like Logan...not so much as in "a film where she's old and bitter and beat to shit", but a film that isn't afraid to leave the stylistic conventions of its medium behind and concentrate on telling the best story possible.
So far I am getting the impression that the problem with this movie is that its just another Superhero movie? Nothing that truly brakes the mold?
Samtemdo8 said:
No, not really. The film is getting great positive reviews and the DCEU finally made a good one. (Note: I'm speaking of the majority. If you like the other DCEU movies, that's fine. More power to you.)
Now as for Wonder Woman, it is a really good movie, possibly one of DC's best live action films in a few years. It does have a few flaws (then again not every film is perfect): some of the CGI is kinda not good in a few spots, the overuse of slow motion made me annoyed after a while, some of the 3rd act is really weak especially with the final fight and the villains are underused.
But despite those flaws, this is really solid. The script is mostly good, the characters are likable and far interesting, some of the cinematography is gorgeous (mainly Diana's home), the acting is really good (I was having skepticism about Gal Gadot since I found her really dull in BvS and the trailers, but I was wrong. She's really good in this.), the chemistry between Diana and Steve is great and the film does a great job of embodying DC's philosophy with their characters. I still don't like the DCEU, but I wish they made movies just as good as this. I'd give it an 8/10.
Yesssss.BloatedGuppy said:
Let the hate flow through you.
Nah, I'll be positive and agree that Gal Gadot came to slay. Too bad the screenwriter couldn't keep up.
I loved the movie. Also, am I the only one who feels like Wonder Woman's unbelievably kind and warm character kind of makes Captain America's character less likable? Not a LOT, but just a bit. Like Wonder Woman finding solace and positivity in the clusterfuck that was World War 1 somehow makes Captain America's earnest "don't like bullies" attitude in already-heavily-romanticized World War 2 feel cheap by comparison.
Also, I heard people thought the finale was weak, but other than a bit of dodgy CGI, I thought it was fine. I assume the people who thought it was weak weren't expecting Ares to actually show up and fight and keep this a very human story. I mean, that's an artsy route I guess but Ares is one of Wonder Woman's main enemies in the comics, OF COURSE he'd show up.
Also, I heard people thought the finale was weak, but other than a bit of dodgy CGI, I thought it was fine. I assume the people who thought it was weak weren't expecting Ares to actually show up and fight and keep this a very human story. I mean, that's an artsy route I guess but Ares is one of Wonder Woman's main enemies in the comics, OF COURSE he'd show up.