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You could say the same of anything that almost the whole population pays attention to *cough entertainment cough*
Introduce a law that says every football club must donate half the transfer fee to charity?
(Incidentally Newcastle fan here, bitter and angered both by one "fan" who's abandoning us 3 months into a long-term contract and by many "fans" who choose to blame the owner, again, for things he almost certainly did not do)
Introduce a law that says every football club must donate half the transfer fee to charity?
(Incidentally Newcastle fan here, bitter and angered both by one "fan" who's abandoning us 3 months into a long-term contract and by many "fans" who choose to blame the owner, again, for things he almost certainly did not do)
Absolutely worth it if it means Manchester United don't win the title as a result or Chelsea draw them in the Champs League and knock them out.
The former is a little hopeful now, but a guy can dream.
The former is a little hopeful now, but a guy can dream.
Yes most football players are extremely over-payed for doing basic things (running, tackling, throwing and catching a ball). True they may be VERY GOOD at doing those basic things, but they are certainly over-payed. It probably doesn't help that I've never enjoyed or seen the appeal of football. That being said I don't care if other people enjoy it as long as they don't force me to sit through a game.
Why single out football players in particular? Are you blaming them in some way or do you just think it is unfair? Your post is too vague to be the opening point of discussion.
Hmm, this seems needlessly antagonistic, but I will not be forced to argue for football.
Read: I agree.
Read: I agree.
That people are very quick to compare other peoples wealth (specifically those who have made money through non academic/business pursuits) to poverty as if it is somehow abhorent whereas the relative welath of the person making the point in comparison to those without clean drinking water etc is not relevent or somehow excused.ninjastovall0 said:
The lack of elaboration in my original post reflected the OP's style.
If it weren't for sports, many people would go crazy from boredom or simply have nothing to distract them from the daily grind that is life. Most of us have video games, but you have to remember that for most people in the world, sports are THE major form of escapism. So paying the players, who dedicate their entire lives to playing these games usually, a salary to keep playing and training to entertain people is perfectly fair.
Now, 50 million is a bit much, but that more boils down to teams trying to offer more to buy the best players. Its the same as any business, you have to spend money to make money. The major problem stems from pro players feeling they DESERVE these outlandish salaries, not that they are getting them. The entire league (and not just Football, either. Nearly every professional sports league is plagued with this) seems to think that, just because they are playing professional ball they deserve a 6 figure (or more) salary. Its just a nasty sense of entitlement, which is really killing the spirit of the game and turning it a giant marketing revenue generator.
Then again, its been this way for 30 years now, so what can you do? Cutting the salaries is the obvious choice, but that will cause a massive strike. The league could stand its ground like the NHL and call the player's bluff, but simply put the ad revenue NFL games generate is an order of magnitude larger than the NHL. They may very well not be able to afford to.
Its sad, honestly. I love football, but its so hard to watch pro games these days knowing just about every player is there for a paycheck. At least with college games you can have the illusion that some of those guys are just doing it for the love of the game and to have fun.
Now, 50 million is a bit much, but that more boils down to teams trying to offer more to buy the best players. Its the same as any business, you have to spend money to make money. The major problem stems from pro players feeling they DESERVE these outlandish salaries, not that they are getting them. The entire league (and not just Football, either. Nearly every professional sports league is plagued with this) seems to think that, just because they are playing professional ball they deserve a 6 figure (or more) salary. Its just a nasty sense of entitlement, which is really killing the spirit of the game and turning it a giant marketing revenue generator.
Then again, its been this way for 30 years now, so what can you do? Cutting the salaries is the obvious choice, but that will cause a massive strike. The league could stand its ground like the NHL and call the player's bluff, but simply put the ad revenue NFL games generate is an order of magnitude larger than the NHL. They may very well not be able to afford to.
Its sad, honestly. I love football, but its so hard to watch pro games these days knowing just about every player is there for a paycheck. At least with college games you can have the illusion that some of those guys are just doing it for the love of the game and to have fun.
footballers are paid a ridiculous amount, and this is widely known. players refusing to move clubs unless they get paid even more millions? is a million a year not extortionate anyway?Vault Citizen said:
i'm assuming OP is just pointing out its unfair though. there's little we can actually do about it seeing as football clubs are all privately owned
Refusing to move clubs? This rarely happens. Refusing to stay at clubs unless they get paid a lot is much more common, and to be honest I'm pr. sure I'd move to a club that offered me a ton more.suitepee7 said:
Everyone is missing the high point of the day... Stevenage FC signed Craig Reid, Newport's top scorer, for £100,000! What a steal.
I'm a big fan of football (I'm assuming we're talking about soccer here) and I agree that players are ridiculously overpaid. When I see that what a lot of them earn is a week is more than people doing more important things earn in a year and there is all the suffering in deprived countries. it pisses me the fuck off. However, I think it's unfair to attack just football players, they are not the only guilty party, also, I think football is more than "a little game".Shivarage said:
Seems enough of a discussion point to start discussions... I'm not aiming for 10+ pages of responsesVault Citizen said:
As for aiming at football players in particular, this is just my opinion but it just seems too easy a game for the amount of money they recieve compared to say, tennis
In football, you are part of a team so you will always have backup support to make up for your shortcomings, you only play for 2 hours MAX per game, you get away with cheating VERY easily and it is INSANELY boring for the person who isn't interested (not to mention the countries that actually get anywhere in the world cup are NOT the ones with tonnes of money)
As for tennis, (this is just my view) one man against one man, the silent struggle to fight for every point toward victory in an unlimited time period with the added strain of keeping up a SERIOUS amount of accuracy and stamina on the court, now THAT is a challenging sport and yes yes, i know football isnt the easiest but its still a walk in the park compared
so yeah, football is for wusses compared to other sports (imo)
you got what i meant, thats just splitting hairs. but while i agree most of us would indeed move to a higher paying job, the problem is that you can see they are in it for the money, and not for love of the sport.Snork Maiden said:
pretty sure i've gone off point completely now, but they shouldn't be playing for love of money, exploiting the system which should be changed anyway, they should be playing for love of the sport
I have no problem with it (either version of football). I watch and enjoy it (go Falcons!). I'm going to college and getting a job that makes a fraction of what they do and I don't care.
It's not *entirely* splitting hairs since there could be a whole host of reasons to leave (money amongst them, perhaps) and once they're considered you might not have a load of reasons to stay other than being paid a big pot. Surely in your idealised world of playing for the "love of the sport" Torres to Chelsea (the subject of the OP) for 50 Million (a fee he neither asked for nor agreed too) is vastly better than Torres staying at Liverpool?suitepee7 said:
Besides, I never really got the whole "love of the sport" thing. I'm a programmer, should I only program for love of the art rather than using it as a job? My partner is an artist. Should she only draw through passion for her subject rather than hoping to earn a commission?