too bad they didn't keep much of anything about the original source material land hired an white, untalented(though kind of hot) actress as the Japanese major kusanagi
What stories contained within? This is a new story wearing Ghost in the Shell's skin.Elijin said:It exists to introduce the story to an entirely new audience. If you cant see that....well, that's your problem, not the movies.
Or are you some diehard anime weeb who thinks that if people don't want anime then they don't deserve any of the stories contained within?
I wouldn't know, I haven't seen it. But people are saying its a retelling of the original. The poster I quoted said if its just a retelling of the original, it shouldn't exist. But the original is an anime film and this is a live action Hollywood film with a well billed cast. So, like I said. It exists to bring the story to a new audience. I give zero craps about whether people think it did it well, etc etc.altnameJag said:What stories contained within? This is a new story wearing Ghost in the Shell's skin.Elijin said:It exists to introduce the story to an entirely new audience. If you cant see that....well, that's your problem, not the movies.
Or are you some diehard anime weeb who thinks that if people don't want anime then they don't deserve any of the stories contained within?
Ironic, but not much else.
When I say "doing it's own thing", that's meant as a positive, not literally "anything".Elijin said:I mean the MrBoBo says remakes should be better than the original, or do their own thing. Apparently be in a completely different medium with a different audience is not 'doing its own thing.'
Its a story. Its being exposed to a new audience. Every time a story reaches a new audience, it has been elevated. It has the chance to make new connections, inspire future works and shape things that come after it.MrBoBo said:When I say "doing it's own thing", that's meant as a positive, not literally "anything".Elijin said:I mean the MrBoBo says remakes should be better than the original, or do their own thing. Apparently be in a completely different medium with a different audience is not 'doing its own thing.'
The 1986 Fly movie uses it's materiel as a spring board for something even greater, with themes about aging and disease, with terrific performances, special effects, music score and story. It subverts the expectations with the jerk becoming the hero, and the nice guy becoming the tragic villain. It's existence is completely justified, it elevates itself beyond the material.
This, Robocop and others of it's ilk, however you wish to label it, are garbage, cynical in nature and do not in anyway, shape or form elevate themselves over the original source.
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No, they have to slim down rather than bulk up. And yeah, long past time to change that.Ezekiel said:It's disappointing how actors are often expected to work out for certain roles but nobody expects the same from an actress. You seldom see any muscular actresses in action and sci-fi movies, like Vasquez from Aliens or Noomi Rapace in Prometheus. The major should have an athlete's body.
Generally they think highly of it for two major reasons, it's a mix of existing ideas, today, but back in 1995, it was a level of sci-fi that had been rarely touched by anime, and pretty much never by Western animation, even among Western media you usually didn't see those types of transhumanist themes outside of hard sci-fi literature, or maybe Hollywood's brief flirtations with cyberpunk in the 80's-90's though most were action oriented over pop philosophy. GITS may have handled some of its themes ham handedly, but much like old Hollywood movies that still get praise it gets credit for being the first to break into the mainstream with those ideas. Sort of like how movies like Blade Runner or the original Star Trek get praise for their ideas, but there are a lot of more modern properties that have refined them and done them better in many ways. A lot of the stuff that does GITS themes and ideas better came after and Japanese media makers have often credited GITS for being the inspiration for those ideas. It effected the aesthetics in many anime that came after its release.Adam Jensen said:As someone who can't stand anime because of monumentally dumb way that all anime is directed, terrible sound effects, frustrating voice acting and shallow characterization that boils down to either "too cool for school" or "too dumb and/or insecure for Earth", I'm glad that an actual movie was made. I couldn't care less about the so-called whitewashing either. Major is a fictional character from what is essentially a cartoon. And let's not pretend like the original Ghost in the Shell is some kind of original idea. It's a clever mix of existing ideas and that's about it. I'll never understand why people think so highly of it.
I'm ready for your hate, internet. Bring it.
It's actually $60 million when international is taken into account and it's yet to open in China. It's doing well in Asia and that should help it make a small profit when all is said and done.Jux said:19 million in the first weekend on a 110 million budget. Who was it again saying whitewashing was ok because scarjo was totally needed for that star power? lol And a 43% on Rotten Tomatoes currently.
Keep in mind that announced production budgets are often unreliable. We don't really know how much they spent on the movie at the end of the day, as Hollywood will often drop marketing costs from the "budget" among other things. Which means even if they "break even" at 110m, they're probably not actually making money. Some float a "rule of thumb" of basically doubling the production budget to get the "real costs" of making the movie, but even if we lowball it and say they need 150m just to break even, they're not even close to halfway there yet. And even breaking even is not the goal. In order for a film to be considered "successful" it has to double its (real) production costs. If it simply breaks even or goes in the red modestly, it's a flop, and if it only manages to make half of its (real) production budget, it's a bomb.MatParker116 said:It's actually $60 million when international is taken into account and it's yet to open in China. It's doing well in Asia and that should help it make a small profit when all is said and done.Jux said:19 million in the first weekend on a 110 million budget. Who was it again saying whitewashing was ok because scarjo was totally needed for that star power? lol And a 43% on Rotten Tomatoes currently.