So I just cancelled my Pre-order for Mass Effect 3...

[8a88leph1sh]

I'm sick of everyone saying "oh no I'm not going to buy this game anymore cause they've added stuff to it blabklahdgkha."
seriously? If you like the first two games I guarantee you'll like ME3. they've BROUGHT BACK some of the old rpg stuff like upgrades and customizing armor. They've tightened up combat. The multiplayer that DOESN'T HAVE TO BE PLAYED. new elements, new characters, old characters everything is going to be in this game. of course they are trying to broaden their base. THEY ARE A BUSINESS. They do, in fact, want to make money. but that doesn't mean they are going to totally fuck over the core fan base that has supported them all this way. but if you're not going to buy it cause you like to QQ and don't trust bioware's mass effect department even after they brought us two of the greatest games of this generation then fine but you don't need to tell the rest of us about it cause we DON'T CARE

 

[Jimmybobjr]

Wait, wait wait wait!

MASS EFFECT 3 REQUIRES ORIGIN TO PLAY?!

Bugger that, The first to games werent THAT good!

 

[Silas13013]

You need to actually read that before getting your knickers in a twist. It just makes you look like an idiot.

IP address: collected by everything that connects to the internet.

Operating system: collected by nearly everything by proxy of what web browser you are using. You aren't going to be using a safari configured for macs on a windows system but if everyone is now running macs, they want to know so they can sell to the most people

Application usage: yes, they want to know how often you use their services

Software: the games you downloaded?

Software usage: how often you play them?

Hardware: apparently you don't seem to understand that there are a lot of different computers out there with different hardware and they need to know what people are using so they don't develop something that puts BF3 graphics to shame only to have no one on earth run it.

There is literally nothing there even slightly out of the ordinary nor is there anything in there that lets them root through your hard drive. So keep wearing your tin-foil hat and calling EA the Illuminati, I'm sure Jesus will return on his alien spaceship and let everyone know you were right.

What games I play, what software I use, and so on, is none of EA's business, unless I decide otherwise. I don't let the grocery store sales lady rummage through my fridge and I don't let the appliance store vendor take a stroll through my bathroom in order to be allowed to use their groceries and appliances respectively. And it's why I keep my door locked even when I'm home, because I can't be bothered to let anyone who has 5 minutes trample through my apartment, and it's why I have my curtains closed because my private life isn't something I'm prepared to show to just anyone. And gaming is part of my private life.

So twist it as much as you like, this isn't a case of tinfoil hats, it's a case of people being upset when their privacy is being breached.

It is a case of tinfoil hats. EA does not access anything other than stuff related to the running of origin. Stuff like your IP address and OS still have to do with the running of Origin. And Steam does the EXACT same thing. It collects info on you and reports back to valve. What do you think cookies on web browsers are? Anytime you use the internet you are sending most of the stuff EA is collecting. And they looking at stuff related or Origin, not what porn you are so intent on protecting. You analogies make no sense. A more accurate one would be credit card companies keep track of your spending and how you use their card. They don't go through your mail to see what catalogs you are buying. If you don't want EA looking at Origin related stuff then don't use Origin. But also don't go saying they are rooting through your files when they can't and don't and have gone well out of their way to make people see that but people like you keep up with the conspiracy theories that everyone is out to get you.

THEN FINALLY, and this is the mac daddy issue I'm having with ME3, It's owned by EA, so it has online passes and you are required to sign up for EA Origins in order to play the game. If you don't know the EA origins scandal by now, signing up for an account with them is basically giving EA permission to put spyware on your computer, so that they can watch your online activity whenever you're online, and they can go snooping thorough your hard drive whenever they want to. I know this last part isn't bioware's fault, but it's still a gargantuan issue, and a huge arguing point for why I won't be picking up Mass Effect 3.

Oh gods... how I love that argument. It's so ridiculous it's actually funny. You use Steam? You use Windows? You use a web browser? Great, You have 3 times as much "spyware" as Origin. If You have iPhone you are even "spyware'ed" in Real Life. You know what Origin does? It scans the file structure to check for games that associated with Origin. It doesn't read the files, only checks whenever they exist.

But, as always, people will believe what they want... after all They are watching. They have the satellites, watching each of Your moves. Don't let Them catch You. Remember Area51....

You agree that EA may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address), operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware, that may be gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, dynamically served content, product support and other services to you, including online services. EA may also use this information combined with personal information for marketing purposes and to improve our products and services. We may also share that data with our third party service providers in a form that does not personally identify you. IF YOU DO NOT WANT EA TO COLLECT, USE, STORE, TRANSMIT OR DISPLAY THE DATA DESCRIBED IN THIS SECTION, PLEASE DO NOT INSTALL OR USE THE APPLICATION. This and all other data provided to EA and/or collected by EA in connection with your installation and use of this Application is collected, used, stored and transmitted in accordance with EA?s Privacy Policy located at www.ea.com. To the extent that anything in this section conflicts with the terms of EA?s Privacy Policy, the terms of the Privacy Policy shall control.

Unless something has changed (which it very well might have) agreeing to the origin TOS gives origin permission to examine every file on your computer and that they can sell it. Also, unlike Steam, there is no way to opt out of it.

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And you need to actually read conversations before you but in, it makes you look like a pretentious douche. I was responding to someone who said that Origin only looked at files in the Origin folder.

That's all it does look at, which is why you are an idiot. Ok fine if you want to debate specifics if you save games in folders other than Origin it will scan those too. But Origin just looks at stuff related to it, the games on it, and the system running it (meaning the OS and hardware specifics) It's not piracy that makes developers shy away from PC, it's crap like this where people freak out over stuff that has literally no impact on anything outside of running the game. ME3 is just as much spyware as Origin is under your logic because it has to read what hardware you are using and interface with it. Call the ghostbusters!

 

[Zen Toombs]

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Sorry mate, I wish you felt better about this situation. While most of the things that you mentioned could be problematic, I don't feel like they actually will. I trust Bioware, and think Mass Effect 3 should turn out quite well.

I hope that after the game comes out your fears turn out to be unfounded, and that you get the chance to finish the Mass Effect series.

 

[Vegosiux]

Stuff like your IP address and OS still have to do with the running of Origin. And Steam does the EXACT same thing. It collects info on you and reports back to valve. What do you think cookies on web browsers are? Anytime you use the internet you are sending most of the stuff EA is collecting. And they looking at stuff related or Origin, not what porn you are so intent on protecting. You analogies make no sense. A more accurate one would be credit card companies keep track of your spending and how you use their card. They don't go through your mail to see what catalogs you are buying. If you don't want EA looking at Origin related stuff then don't use Origin. But also don't go saying they are rooting through your files when they can't and don't and have gone well out of their way to make people see that but people like you keep up with the conspiracy theories that everyone is out to get you.

As I said, they have no business doing even that unless I allow them to do so. And you can tell "Nope, not gonna let ya" to Steam, but why are we even talking about Steam, you don't know whether or not I'm using it?

I've stated what my take on the whole Origin business is, and that's it, I don't care what other people put on their computers. And some random person on the net saying I'm a "tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist" isn't going to do much to change my take on it.

 

[Silas13013]

Stuff like your IP address and OS still have to do with the running of Origin. And Steam does the EXACT same thing. It collects info on you and reports back to valve. What do you think cookies on web browsers are? Anytime you use the internet you are sending most of the stuff EA is collecting. And they looking at stuff related or Origin, not what porn you are so intent on protecting. You analogies make no sense. A more accurate one would be credit card companies keep track of your spending and how you use their card. They don't go through your mail to see what catalogs you are buying. If you don't want EA looking at Origin related stuff then don't use Origin. But also don't go saying they are rooting through your files when they can't and don't and have gone well out of their way to make people see that but people like you keep up with the conspiracy theories that everyone is out to get you.

As I said, they have no business doing even that unless I allow them to do so. And you can tell "Nope, not gonna let ya" to Steam, but why are we even talking about Steam, you don't know whether or not I'm using it?

I've stated what my take on the whole Origin business is, and that's it, I don't care what other people put on their computers. And some random person on the net saying I'm a "tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist" isn't going to do much to change my take on it.

I feel like I may have misunderstood what you were arguing. You are perfectly within your right to not let Origin look at itself (best wording ever) by not using it. My point is that Origin isn't any more intrusive than Steam is. Your point is that you still don't like that. These are not mutually exclusive So I apologize for the tinfoil hat comment, as it appears you are not one of 'them'.

 

[silenticecream]

I generally find that waiting until a little closer than 5 months from a game's release date enables me to develop a more balanced and nuanced opinion of its' merits. This also enables me to decide whether or not to pre-order said game, or, heaven forbid, wait a couple of weeks until copies are freely available and reviews are up. Your apparent need for instant gratification seems oddly reminiscent of the "idiot" xbox knuckledraggers and their obsession with COD etc. Sometimes it pays to take a deep breath venting such execrable steam. I know that you are upset, largely, as you have admitted, due to a knee-jerk reaction, but thinking an argument through before posting kinda lessens the need for such retractions.

PS. I am in no position to argue about Origin etc, as I have never used it. I went for the "cheap" option of the xbox, although the hair on my palms renders gripping the controller problematic.

 

[Frankster]

@ OP, if your feeling brave, go check the spoilers for me3 online and see what the future holds for the game, one way or another your mind will be made up

A forumite here mentioned it and couldn't resist doing a search and having a peak...

No spoilers of course, but i'll just say i didn't like what I read and those things ain't gonna change in the final version.

 

[distortedreality]

I cancelled my pre-order too.

It's clear that they're shoving customers around on this one because they can. And I LOVE the Mass Effect series.

By shoving around you mean giving more options?

Riiiiiiiiight.

Forcing PC players to play it on Origin is not exactly what I call "giving more options."

I was actually talking about the important things, i.e gameplay.

But of course, feel free to whinge about a nonexistent problem. While you do that, I'll go enjoy my game.

Origin is nowhere near being the evil beast uninformed people claim it to be, and is quite easily negated in any case.

 

[JoesshittyOs]

When you blame Call of Duty for a games problems, I immediately stop taking you seriously.

CoD does not have that much of an effect on the industry, no matter what you believe. Quit trying to blame this game's problems on it.

 

[StBishop]

THEN FINALLY, and this is the mac daddy issue I'm having with ME3, It's owned by EA, so it has online passes and you are required to sign up for EA Origins in order to play the game. If you don't know the EA origins scandal by now, signing up for an account with them is basically giving EA permission to put spyware on your computer, so that they can watch your online activity whenever you're online, and they can go snooping thorough your hard drive whenever they want to. I know this last part isn't bioware's fault, but it's still a gargantuan issue, and a huge arguing point for why I won't be picking up Mass Effect 3.

Bioware, I love you, I loved mass effect 1 and mass effect 2, but there's simply too much wrong with ME3 for me to go in with high hopes and starry eyes. I don't need your game to live a perfectly normal human life, so it's not worth ruining one of my favorite franchises over, and it's MOST CERTAINLY not worth getting spyware on my computer for.

Anyway, /rant I guess. I'm just sad to see how far downhill ME3 is going. What do you guys think of all the press that ME3 is getting recently? Do you like it? Are you just as angry and skeptical as me? Do you think that I'm just whining too much? Have you heard any good news about ME3 that I haven't?

Quickly:

Those pre-order bonuses are available on all platforms.

It doesn't need Origin yet. Also, play xbox version.

EULA for Origin has changed, it's now no worse than Steam as far as Spyware goes.

ME2 was EA, and you seemed to like that.

Also, if you've got a pre-order, you're buying new, so get over the online passes, they don't matter unless you're buying pre-owned.

So yeah. The second half of your problems are a combination of nonsense or misinformed.

 

[Leoofmoon]

Ok time to point out your a idiot
1: MP will not affect single player at all its all just a little fun once the storys done and some coop missions with friends, stop crying about it and I think its fun because you can also play as the other races in the universe.
2: Yes being owned by EA will probly need a online come BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT if you HAD your pre order copy you wouldn't need to worry about it because you get one free with a new copy.
3: your complaining about no N7 assault rifle? don't you guy normally trow a sh** fit when that DO have good pre order items?
4:There trying something new with modes....WHO FREAKING CARES!

There 4 ways your being a baby about this!

 

[lacktheknack]

Issue four, I have no opinion as I'm one of those console gamers that they're dumbing the game down for, HEEEEEEEEEERP DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERP, I IZ SIMPLE. -_-

I know what you mean! All hail the glorious console gaming master race!

Which end does the mouse go in the Xbox again?

You gotta weld it to the Hard Drive, I think.

it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts

OT: I still haven't gotten around to playing ME2, so I'm not worrying myself about it right now.

 

[AndyFromMonday]

Don't even bother OP. This forum is full of EA fanboys.

 

[Ca3zar416]

It's owned by EA, so it has online passes and you are required to sign up for EA Origins in order to play the game.

when did that get confirmed? TOR is also owned by EA but doesn't require Origin at all.

The Old Republic does require origin.

Will I require an Origin account in addition to a SWTOR account?
Yes, you will require an active Origin account in addition to a Star Wars: The Old Republic account. You can create a new Origin account by going to the Origin Account Registration page, entering your email address in the appropriate space and clicking ?Start my EA Profile.? This will take you to a screen where you can create your EA Master ID and set your password. You can also start a new Origin account by logging in with either your Facebook or PlayStation Network accounts, or by downloading and running the Origin client for the first time.

Also putting link for confirmation.

http://www.swtor.com/info/faq#170974

 

[SnakeoilSage]

Really do feel bad for Bioware. They want to make good games that retain that "old school" RPG element, but EA is bat-squeak crazy.

Hey EA! I won't be buying ME3! Why? Skyrim!

 

[Wuggy]

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[Raven's Nest]

Lol... nerd rage.

Have fun not playing ME3.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

What's really lame about ME3 is the apparent linear storyline and that there don't appear to be any consequences for imported decisions.

The storyline drops any pretenses of moral greyness in its factions and characters. Everyone becomes one dimensional. If a character is unfriendly or otherwise irritable then they are a evil. It's boring.

There are a handful of neat ideas in ME3, but I think the bad far outweighs the good.

How did you get the game again? I assume you gave it a play through to reach this sweeping conclusion... anything else would be stupid assumptions right? Did you pirate it? Beta? Hmmm?

The modes irk me, some are just stupid as hell, but if someone enjoys them ill hold my tongue and not complain. They do seem to be very... soft... though, the game is what it is and bioware seem to want to appeal to everyone. Try and please EVERYONE and you tend to please no one.

 

[Vegosiux]

I feel like I may have misunderstood what you were arguing. You are perfectly within your right to not let Origin look at itself (best wording ever) by not using it. My point is that Origin isn't any more intrusive than Steam is. Your point is that you still don't like that. These are not mutually exclusive So I apologize for the tinfoil hat comment, as it appears you are not one of 'them'.

That's what we have mouth-uh, fingers for, to clear up stuff when it needs clearing up

But yeah I simply don't like it. I mean I do have a problem with MP and game modes being brought into ME3 at the end of the trilogy (many people forget that detail when they call me out on it - if they had been there from day 1, I wouldn't have minded!), but it's the Origin details that will eventually make me decide for or against getting ME3. Then again, since I really want to get my Shep's story done...I'll see, I'll see.