Spygon said:
manaman said:
Spygon said:
It's as easy to get a hold of an AK as it is any other rifle. There is noting really special about the civilian model of the firearm. It shoots a 7.62x39 cartridge, which packs less of a punch then BAR in .30-06, BARs are common hunting rifles, which where once military service rifles as well. I have a .300 win mag rifle I use for hunting, .300 win mag is 7.62x67 sized cartridge.
I know the ak-47 is easily got hold for an assault rifle but maybe it is different in the uk but its alot easier to get hold of a rifle than an ak-47 as any kind of semi-auto assault rifle can not be legal in the usa can it?
What is the difference between that and my BAR in .30-06? Aside from the .30-06 being a much more powerful round that is. Nothing, well except one having present military connections. Not that the other was never used by the military because it was.
Automatic weapons are banned, semi-auto weapons are not. There issue is that there is no such thing as an Assault riffle. That's a class of guns made up so they could put anything that looks "military" into it. It's like anything that shoots the .50 BMG. Because the military uses that round for sniper applications it's all of the sudden become an evil round that only dangerous people want to use.
Hell half the weapons they stick in that category fire smaller rounds then that BAR I keep referencing.
Sorry miss type on my part what i meant was its easier to get hold of a handgun than a rifle .Also if thats true and you can legally get semi-auto weapons that is kinda weird.As i always supported the right to have arms in america.But the reasoning behind it was for protection or hunting.If you can acquire an assault rifle then if you cant kill an animal in 3 shots "burst-fire" then you should give up hunting animals and if you think you need a weapon like the ak-47 to defend your home you seem to be expecting a squad of armed soldiers to kick in your front door
Who in the world said anything about three round burst. You seem to be mistaken about what semi-auto is.
A semi-automatic weapon automatically loads the next round after firing, but will not fire again until you release and then pull the trigger again. For all intents and purposes a revolver does the same thing with the cylinder rotating, it puts the next round into the firing position, but will not fire that round until you release then pull the trigger again.
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civilian model AK-47 is just a gun with a low power cartridge (in the 7.62x39 varient, the .223 Remmington can be used for target shooting if you want, but the AR-15 in .223 Remington will outperform it any day). It's not automatic in any way, burst fire is a form of automatic as well.
Besides rapid fire would be horrible for hunting. You would do nothing but destroy meat. You should take down the animal with one shot through the heart because it kills quickly.
Again there is no such thing as an Assault Rifle, Assault Rifle is just a term for a military looking rifle, they are no different the any other rifle.
Eclectic Dreck said:
antipunt said:
They're perfectly legal in the US so they are readily available. If the weapon is semi-automatic only, it's actually quite easy (and cheap) to acquire one. Getting a fully automatic weapon requires the purchase of an additional permit and some extra legal rigmarole but is still often entirely legal. And, thanks to the fact that said weapon is widely copied, there are untold versions of the weapon meaning I could purchase something that a lay person would assume was an AK-47 for substantially less than I paid for my Springfield XD handgun.
It would also have to be grandfathered in after the Brady bill took effect. They have been outlawed since 1968, so the weapon would have had to have been manufactured and in the US prior to the bills passing to be legal. Good luck getting one even if you can pay for the permits as they are all in the hands of private collectors.
Then there is this guy:
nofear220 said:
Do you understand velocity? Its a very large factor in bullet damage, 9mm sometimes dont even make an exit wound and thats what makes the mess. I have heard military stories of Barrett 50 cals cutting people clean in half because of long range bullet drop (but of course they have an even greater velocity AND size).
Don't be the guy who can't admit he said something stupid and is going to argue that idiocy into the ground if need be.
When you look at the power behind a round you can measure it several ways, usually either foot lbs or Joules, typical information you look for with a round is the energy of the bullet when it leaves the barrel and right around the distance you intend to use it (you are also looking for bullet drop). You pick the load best suited for your applications, say the best load to maximize ballistic coefficient to deliver high energy over a long distance, or a lower ballistic coefficient for higher accuracy over shorter distance. Even then depending on what you are going to use the weapon against (hunting large game, using the weapon to defend yourself at home, or using it in a war situation) looking at how the bullet behaves in flight, and how much energy it delivers on impact are not the best meters of actual damage to the target, fragmentation and yawing also matter greatly. Smaller rounds (smaller in size) tend to fragment and yaw more, and like the 5.56mm NATO round you can design the bullet to increase the chances of the bullet yawing when it encounters a density change (like going form air into a persons body). It's why 5.56mm rounds have been known to enter a person leg and exit a person chest. The 5.56mm NATO round is actually an amazing round. It is extraordinarily stable in flight and a perfect balance of a short to medium range. The bullet has a high energy and a low profile which has a high penetration and decent, while at the same time tends to either fragment or, yaw (basically start rotating along another axis) when it encounters a less resistive density change. In other words it could go straight through a wall and then split into pieces or yaw when it hits a person on the other side of the wall.
Still none of that means a damn in the scenario you presented. You simply said a 9mm wouldn't be as effective for killing yourself and implied that that a 9mm round was a tiny bullet. I corrected you by saying a 9mm round is of course larger in diameter then a 7.62mm bullet, and that it's not going to matter one shiny bit of difference which round you use when you hold the gun to your head too off yourself. By that I took to mean the very common 9x19mm Parabellum handgun round you where talking about.
Or you know you could be right and even holding the gun to your head you only have a 50-50 chance of killing yourself and 9mm just happens to be one of the most common handgun rounds in the world because people don't want reliability out of their handguns.
As for the rest:
I'm not quite getting what you mean about bullet drop with a .50BMG cutting people in half, are you trying to tell me the bullet is fired from so far away it comes down square on top of a person and splits them down the middle (which is laughably ridiculous), or are you trying to tell me that somehow the bullet flies straight at them and then drops suddenly as it passes through them (again good for a nice laugh). The likely case here is that the guys telling the stories are doing what most guys telling stories do, and are embellishing them.
