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This is not so much a review as a collection of random observations.

I had sworn to never ever watch this thing for a number of reasons, but I was bored and depressed today and it happened to be on and, well, I watched it. From now on, I will be keeping a lethal amount of white horse in my house for the next time I'm that bored and depressed.

God LORD. It was like they tried to make the dialog as unbearable as possible.

Now, my experience with Michael Bay has been minimal I saw The Rock years ago and I didn't like it very much. This was back before he was considered the cinematic antichrist. I saw Armageddon, which I didn't mind as much as everyone else. And I watched Transformers just now. That is pretty much it for his directing. I didn't even watch his Playboy videos.

I did, however, kind of watch The Island, but not really. I wasn't watching it, but my roommate was. I was in and out of the room doing other things, only watching it occasionally. As it happens, I missed all the action scenes but caught most of the dialog scenes. I felt like I didn't miss a single thing. This means that all of the action sequences were completely extraneous. They had no bearing whatsoever on the plot.

Way I see it, most of the people working in Hollywood right now are looking for some formula to use when making films. Some sure-fire way to get a decent return on the investment. I can't say I blame them since films are incredibly expensive, but this does mean that quality has taken a nose dive in recent years. Sorry kids, but the movies you grew up on suck.

Bay's formula is a bit more apparent to me after watching Transformers. Let me see if i can explain it.

One, the film is briskly paced. We are constantly changing scenes and actions. This is not a bad thing because if the characters kept doing the same goddamned thing the entire movie, it would get boring. However, Bay uses a cheap method to keep things moving. It's almost a magic trick, narrative sleight-of-hand.

Also, he tends to have every single character deliver comic relief. Noah "Spoony" Antwiler said of the recent Transformers sequel that there were a lot of comic relief characters. I say they all are so that at the first opportunity any give character can quip something witty to get a cheap laugh out of the audience.

But the real magic is in the plot. The plot is filled with dead ends and cul-de-sacs but these things do not matter because they all point the same direction. For instance, a big plot point was made out of Sam's grandfather's glasses which they needed to find the All Spark, but they wind up taken to the government installation where the All Spark was hidden without use of the glasses. The glasses became completely irrelevant, but we still got to the ultimate goal anyway.

See what happened there? A goal was set up: find the All Spark, which looks like the Hellraiser cube incidentally. A means to that goal was put forth, finding Sam's grandfather's glasses. But the glasses were all but forgotten along the way but it didn't matter because the goal was completed anyway. The plot flows along but causality does not seem to matter. We get to that point regardless. Finding the glasses was just something to run out the clock.

The entire movie is filled with such dead ends and narrative busywork that gets abandoned when it is no longer necessary. If one were to model the plot of this movie with, say, a flow chart. It would require two structures. One would be the main plot and the second would be made of small segments detailing the inconsequential actions the characters take to try to follow the main plot, even though they really do not pan out.
 

Legion

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Your post seemed very... cut-off. I only felt you made one point, which lasted about 4 paragraphs.

While I agree with what you said I was expecting a bit more details/points.
 

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I'm pretty sure that people only go to watch the Transformers movies to look at Megan Fox. The rest of the film is just padding, really.

Or is that just me?
 

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Rascarin said:
I'm pretty sure that people only go to watch the Transformers movies to look at Megan Fox. The rest of the film is just padding, really.

Or is that just me?
I watch for IronHide and John Tuturro.
 

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Machines Are Us said:
Your post seemed very... cut-off. I only felt you made one point, which lasted about 4 paragraphs.

While I agree with what you said I was expecting a bit more details/points.
I felt that at some points. The first few paragraphs about Michael Bay weren't really that related to the film and just seemed to be there to fill up space, like Transformers does.

Also, far too much of the review is related to the dead ends.

Personally, I liked the film, but the second one not so much. It was as good a film, it was just that I couldn't find anything special enough about it to make it worth having a sequel.
 

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the antithesis said:
But the real magic is in the plot. The plot is filled with dead ends and cul-de-sacs but these things do not matter because they all point the same direction. For instance, a big plot point was made out of Sam's grandfather's glasses which they needed to find the All Spark, but they wind up taken to the government installation where the All Spark was hidden without use of the glasses. The glasses became completely irrelevant, but we still got to the ultimate goal anyway.

See what happened there? A goal was set up: find the All Spark, which looks like the Hellraiser cube incidentally. A means to that goal was put forth, finding Sam's grandfather's glasses. But the glasses were all but forgotten along the way but it didn't matter because the goal was completed anyway. The plot flows along but causality does not seem to matter. We get to that point regardless. Finding the glasses was just something to run out the clock.

The entire movie is filled with such dead ends and narrative busywork that gets abandoned when it is no longer necessary. If one were to model the plot of this movie with, say, a flow chart. It would require two structures. One would be the main plot and the second would be made of small segments detailing the inconsequential actions the characters take to try to follow the main plot, even though they really do not pan out.
When you watch a film and a plot thread begins but somehow becomes a cul-de-sac or doesn't really seem to end up mattering much, that's a sign that the script was more complex in its original incarnation, but during the editing process certain things were left on the cutting room floor.

Some potential reasons why this happens:

1. To make the movie shorter
2. It's decided during editing that certain things are boring or don't really work in the final product
3. One scene that sucked in the final print was chopped during editing, but some scenes that relate to it were left in because they had elements that the director liked or that were needed for another reason
4. Political reasons, something was deemed too controversial
5. Someone with power (a lead actor, the director, the editor) doesn't like a certain supporting actor so they sharply edit his/her screen time or even cut his/her scenes out of the film completely, happens all the time
6. The director dumbed it down because he was worried the audience wouldn't be able to follow all the plot threads

In many cases the director usually couldn't be bothered shooting new parts of the film again to smooth over the rough edges so they just leave some stuff in. Especially in action films where it's presumed no-one is paying very close attention to the story anyway.
 

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Mornelithe said:
Transformers only exists in comics and cartoons. There are no movies.
This but what about the 1986 movie does that count?
 

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Mornelithe said:
Ollie596 said:
Mornelithe said:
Transformers only exists in comics and cartoons. There are no movies.
This but what about the 1986 movie does that count?
Good call, it was a cartoon though, so I was almost right haha. But yes, the movie in '86 was great. Dare to be stupid!
Thirded. If it has Orson Welles in it, you know it's gonna be not just good, but great!
 

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mentor07825 said:
MaxTheReaper said:
mentor07825 said:
Damn straight man, I work fast!
If I weren't so tired, I'd have won!

Also, OP, why did you watch a movie with Shia LeBouf(?) in it?
You knew it was going to be horrible..
I'm as fast as lightning!!

Also, good point. With Shia in it you should've known that it was going to be shit. I've yet to watch a film with him in it that I fully enjoyed.

How about Even Stevens? Not a movie, but ^^
 

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Funny thing is, I seen another Internet personality (Angry Joe) defending this movie, saying that if you're calling people who enjoy this movie "retards", you're an asshole, basically.

He was like "yeah it's stupid, but the action is solid... 4/5!" and I was like "what the fuck? How was the action solid? Because it was action? Woooo..."

People who like this movie aren't retards, they're just stupid.
Don't take offence, the movie's stupid and you revel in it, get over it.
 

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Trace2010 said:
Mornelithe said:
Ollie596 said:
Mornelithe said:
Transformers only exists in comics and cartoons. There are no movies.
This but what about the 1986 movie does that count?
Good call, it was a cartoon though, so I was almost right haha. But yes, the movie in '86 was great. Dare to be stupid!
Thirded. If it has Orson Welles in it, you know it's gonna be not just good, but great!
""I play a planet. I menace somebody called Something-or-other. Then I'm destroyed." - O. Welles on his role in transformers.

the antithesis said:
That is pretty much it for his directing. I didn't even watch his Playboy videos.
Michael Bay Directed Playboy videos? The hell? Did anything explode?
 

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I think you shouldnt go to a michael bay movie expecting plot. The only reason i watch films like transformers, the rock and armageddon is because ilike the mindless action film. What can i say. It appeals to my more vulgar side.
 

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Optimus found the location of the all spark by using the glasses, after Sam and Bumblebee got taken away by Sector 7.
 

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BonsaiK said:
When you watch a film and a plot thread begins but somehow becomes a cul-de-sac or doesn't really seem to end up mattering much, that's a sign that the script was more complex in its original incarnation, but during the editing process certain things were left on the cutting room floor.
Interesting theory, but one I cannot buy in this case. The film itself just reeks of lazy writing where things do not pay off but we get the expected results anyway all over the place. Such as the scene at school where Shia LaBeuf or however you spell his fucking name is trying to sell his grandfathers stuff to his classmates to raise money for a car, but later in that same scene he says he has the money he needs but he needs a good grade so his dad will give him the other half of the money as per their arrangement. So he didn't need to try to sell that stuff after all? Then why did he? Lazy writing, but not too lazy because it works as smoke and mirrors. It keep fools distracted and you';d be surprised the idiots who will make excuses for these millionaires for free. How silly.