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Redlin5 said:
Man, I didn't start diddily doo!LordLundar said:And yes, I know I used it before, but you started it!
Yeah, I said diddily doo unironically, big whoop wanna fite about it?
So Iceman is Gay Now
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Yeah, I said diddily doo unironically, big whoop wanna fite about it?
So you're searching the USA? Good luck with that but I'll be waiting anyway.PsychicTaco115 said:
Oh god, they did. I just rememberedPluvia said:
OT: So comics are shaking up the canon and performing attention grabbing stunts? That doesn't sound like their modus operandi one bit ...
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OT: From the little I know of the comics, this is pretty out of the blue. But hey, at least we get that great shrug image, right?
The dumbest part of this is that His younger self is gay but his older self isn't. I mean WHHHHAATTT? That's the dumbest thing imaginable. You can't do that. This isn't supposed to be an alternate universe Iceman it's supposed to be his younger self. And for the record they're not saying he's bi, they're saying he's gay as in not physically attracted to women... We've had internal dialogue and a 50 year history of Iceman being physically attracted to women.
The comic actually says that he chose to stop being gay.
The comic actually says that he chose to stop being gay.
Professor X is similar to MLK Jr.MarsAtlas said:
Magneto is similar to Malcolm X[footnote]pre-1964[/footnote]
Later, parallels to the struggles of LGBT would get drawn, and especially with the movies in the 2000's, with lines such as "Mutant and proud" and "have you tried not being a mutant?"
For that joke, I'm giving you the cold shoulder...DrownedAmmet said:
OT: I feel like there's something missing from this equation, considering we have both teen Iceman and adult Iceman... Maybe the story will clear that up and it wouldn't seem too cliche, but what do I know? I'm too busy staring at of Jean Grey's pose before she drops the G-bomb on Iceman...
http://oi62.tinypic.com/4qizwm.jpg
Well...no. It's kinda like saying Batman's villains each mirror an aspect of his personality. Scarecrow = use of fear, Two-face = Batman/Bruce Wayne, Joker = His sense of futility, etc...Vault101 said:
Or that Nick Furry's re-design was based of Samuel L. Jackson, or that the 80s Transformer's movie only killed off characters because their toys weren't selling.
Its obvious. We all - supposedly - knew this already. Nerd trivia blah blah blah
Does it effect his ice powers? Are they more "fierce" now? I don't know lol I don't care...
I'm kind of curious though, I mean if the writer just made this character gay, then I think that's cool, I don't think that really impacts anything aside from some character drama which is all great cause why not, but I don't like them doing things just for spectacle because it colors these characters that we have no choice but to look at them through those lenses. Why do I have to be informed that he is gay in a news article? Why did I have to be informed that the heir of the spider-suit is black/Hispanic? It becomes their defining quality which is not realistic. I feel like it raises my expectations of these characters because now I have to go into this booking thinking "man I really hope they don't just make a circus out of this because someone wants to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they're tolerant.
Miles Morales ended up being the only comic in the ultimate universe I like. Kahmala Kahn is a great comic. I feel like its so odd that we can't just treat people like normal people...
I'm kind of curious though, I mean if the writer just made this character gay, then I think that's cool, I don't think that really impacts anything aside from some character drama which is all great cause why not, but I don't like them doing things just for spectacle because it colors these characters that we have no choice but to look at them through those lenses. Why do I have to be informed that he is gay in a news article? Why did I have to be informed that the heir of the spider-suit is black/Hispanic? It becomes their defining quality which is not realistic. I feel like it raises my expectations of these characters because now I have to go into this booking thinking "man I really hope they don't just make a circus out of this because someone wants to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they're tolerant.
Miles Morales ended up being the only comic in the ultimate universe I like. Kahmala Kahn is a great comic. I feel like its so odd that we can't just treat people like normal people...
representing and being symbolic of something is not the same as [I/]being[/I] that thing within the fictional universeSilentpony said:
so the X-men are not inherently gay aside from the ones that are (there's been a couple right?) even if the parallels have been closer to gay than other possible interpretations
I fail to see how this is a big deal, or even how it's a retcon. A lot of people are secretly gay. There are gay men and women who are married and have children. And the sexuality of many characters are never touched upon. Whether they're straight or gay are usually just our assumption.
I'm not convinced. I get that referencing something and being that thing are two separate constructs, but X-men and being gay...Vault101 said:
Its just too obvious. Too literal. It's like saying Doctor StrangeLove was meant to be mock political leaders during the Cold War(Cuban Missile Crisis to be precise), or that Star Trek TOS tackled social/political ideas under the guise of alien/human interactions. Its just such common knowledge that to draw attention to it seems if not harmful to the message, then either needless or at least quaint and pointless.
I think you're using the word literal wrongSilentpony said:
I'm not arguing weather or not X-men draws parallels with the LGBT struggles, we all know it does
but as with most things interpretation is still interpretation, EVEN IF there is a universally agreed upon "right" way to interpret something
we all know Animal Farm is about the dangers of abusing a socialist system but someone could merely enjoy it as a demented story about anthromorphic animals and while we can say that's kind of shallow...[I/]we can't say they're wrong[/I] [sub/](unless they're implying it wasn't Orwell's intention, which we know to be false)[/sub]
Xmen being a very obvious allegory for LGBT people [I/]is not the same as being literally a story ABOUT LGBT people[/I]
because I imagine the X-men have changed over the years (as many super hero comic staples do) and there is a lot you can take away aside from the LGBT thing goes
and what I'm really getting at here is you can't substitute them for *actual* gay representation, because while I think its great that allegory can and has been made (especially from a time when stating these things outright was risky) people take away from it what they want, and plenty of people would simply choose to ignore that aspect
and I'm not even saying that's a bad thing or that ALL THE XMEN SHOULD BE OUTRIGHT GAY but again....LGBT's struggles are real, mutants are fictional
Honestly, I'm kinda surprised that people aren't more bothered by the implication that a woman can look into a man's mind for all of 5 seconds and claim to know his sexuality better than he does!
If people can call out lazy writing for being sexist, then people should be allowed to call out lazy writing for pushing an agenda at the expense of storytelling.
I saw Everly last night. I loved it. It starred Salma Hayek as the title character. She has to fend off waves of killers while she try to give a bag of money to her mother and her child. It is an original character. So the fact that she was female and Hispanic did not distract from the character. Like it would if it was adapted from another source that the character was originally white male.
If Marvel or anyone else want to have gay characters, women, other races, etc. They should make original characters. They need to stop haphazardly changing characters' traits in the name of diversity.
Here's a list of what I'm talking about: Fantastic Four movie, Thor (Comics, Not the movie), Ghostbusters, and there's more. I am too tired to think of any other recent examples.
The right response to finding out someone is gay is, "I don't care." However, if people are just changing an established character's trait and ruining the story in the process. It's understandable that people will care, and have negative opinions about it.
I saw Everly last night. I loved it. It starred Salma Hayek as the title character. She has to fend off waves of killers while she try to give a bag of money to her mother and her child. It is an original character. So the fact that she was female and Hispanic did not distract from the character. Like it would if it was adapted from another source that the character was originally white male.
If Marvel or anyone else want to have gay characters, women, other races, etc. They should make original characters. They need to stop haphazardly changing characters' traits in the name of diversity.
Here's a list of what I'm talking about: Fantastic Four movie, Thor (Comics, Not the movie), Ghostbusters, and there's more. I am too tired to think of any other recent examples.
The right response to finding out someone is gay is, "I don't care." However, if people are just changing an established character's trait and ruining the story in the process. It's understandable that people will care, and have negative opinions about it.