So it seems Hotline Miami 2 has rape in it...
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One of the developers actually addressed this on Twitter. You can find the whole discussion here - https://twitter.com/cactusquid.SaneAmongInsane said:
I'll leave you all to discuss whether context changes things, but I figured you'd want the information.
You're just trying to stir shit up, aren't you?SaneAmongInsane said:
Hotline Miami is not the kind of game that's out to make things "palatable", so the question is kinda pointless. Any game can include anything, as long as they at least attempt to make something out of it other than just shock value, in my opinion.
The whole "hate crime" thing is stupid. You don't know what was in somebody's head when they committed the crime.JudgeGame said:
It's just some whiny dude demanding that the scene be removed.Slycne said:
The developer has a right not to be censored.
I can't believe he is even engaging in this conversation. I don't care if there's a rape scene in it or not, but I do care about the fact that any developer, especially an indie developer, should feel free to make the game that they WANT to make, without having to apologize to every fascist in carebear's clothing who owns a computer and an internet connection. Getting mighty tired of this shit.Slycne said:
Yeah that's all you need to convict people.JudgeGame said:
Some half-baked bleeding heart nonsense about "society" and "the man".
I wonder if the guy who made the game just threw in the misleading scene just to piss people off following the whole Tomb Raider controversy. Because I'm a certified asshole, if I was a game dev I'd do the same thing.
For those of you still concerned, the whole thing is apparently revealed to be a movie shoot after the level, so nobody actually gets raped. Really as long as rape isn't portrayed as a good thing, or isn't horribly mismanaged I'm ok with it being in.
For those of you still concerned, the whole thing is apparently revealed to be a movie shoot after the level, so nobody actually gets raped. Really as long as rape isn't portrayed as a good thing, or isn't horribly mismanaged I'm ok with it being in.
Wasn't there implied rape on the 2d/3rd mission of Hotline Miami? The mission where you have to raid a drug house to save a coked up woman from being used and abused by drug addicts?
This isn't new, if it didn't bother you in the original Hotline Miami game, it shouldn't bother you in this.
This isn't new, if it didn't bother you in the original Hotline Miami game, it shouldn't bother you in this.
I never noticed that before, never really paid attention to their body types, I guess. Does that mean that the other two (the owl and rooster) were other people from the game? I also never knew she was a hooker, I just assumed she was a random victim. Where is the hooker thing implied, if you don't mind sharing? I know she pretty much becomes the protagonist's girlfriend, and a fixture at his apartment after she's rescued and all that.SaneAmongInsane said:
On topic though, I don't disapprove, depending on the context. Rape is a real thing, it's terrible, but it happens. And it's irresponsible to shy away from it when it's presented in the media. If the thing about it being part of an in-game movie bit is true, well then I don't really have a problem with it.
Hotline Miami isn't about being politically correct.
SaneAmongInsane said:
Is this the bit you're talking about? If it is you're reaching quite a bit to assume rape here. Just because she's barely dressed and crawling away doesn't equal rape. In Hotline Miami if you beat someone just enough without killing them they'll crawl off like that and if you leave them you get mercy bonus at the end of the level.
Watch the original video posted and start at 0:40. It is anything but implied.Stryc9 said:
EDIT: But Hotline Miami is a game where you already do some of the most reprehensible things possible. This doesn't exactly seem that far off. Though it still makes me uncomfortable.
This is Hotline Miami, its supposed to make the player feel dirty. I honestly dont mind, its like what Max Payne 3 did with the strip club thing, it made it feel uncomfortable and sleazy, thats the point. I dont think that it has anything to do with whatever opinion the devs have about rape.
There is rape on TV shows and movies, does that mean that the director aproves rape? No, its just part of the story they are telling, even if its just to give to advance a character arch. Its valid there and its valid here.
There is rape on TV shows and movies, does that mean that the director aproves rape? No, its just part of the story they are telling, even if its just to give to advance a character arch. Its valid there and its valid here.
You understand that rape and sex are mutually exclusive things, right? Like, sex is sex and the puritanical position on it is problematic (and typically sexist, in the sense that a woman is less valuable post-coitus, etc). Rape, meanwhile, is an invasive (and extremely gendered(and by gendered, I mean to say that women are more commonly sexual victims, and are more often blamed for their victimization, etc)) act of violence. Also it's kind of absurd to compare MK's ultra-violence to rape. MK's violence is so over the top at this point that it's a self-parody; how often will you see a guy uppercut another guy's head off three times or freeze a man then shatter him to pieces? On the contrary, how often are women (or people, really, as a male survivor of sexual violence) raped or otherwise sexually assaulted? You see what I'm saying? What you're saying is like saying "What's the big deal about flamethrowers? Mario can throw fire FROM HIS HANDS AT WILL!"Lygus said:
Anywho, the issue with depicting rape in a culture where women are more commonly victimized in this way, in a culture where we typically blame the rapist (see Steubenville for an example) is that it often ends up cheapening the victimizing nature of this thing in some way. Especially in this industry, rife as it is with men (and therefore the male privilege that is the foundation of the cultural issues with rape that I mentioned). So if we're talking about men writing about an issue that women largely suffer under, it needs to be approached with a lot of empathy and skill. So I wouldn't be surprised at anyone immediately turning away in disgust at that reveal.
In saying all this, I'm not saying this thing in Hotline Miami 2 might not work towards some worthwhile and interesting and valuable nuance; haven't played the game or seen any videos or read anything about it. But I can say that I'm approaching this with extreme trepidation.