By that definition "watching tv" is a game. Dictionaries are only going to give you a bare-bones definition of what a game is, so they aren't your best source.AIMonster said:Here is the Merriam-Webster definition of a game, specifically the one that makes the most sense in the context of this conversation:
activity engaged in for diversion or amusement
The activity part can easily be replaced with what we call "interactivity".
Thus, interactive narratives as you put it are in fact games. They match the criteria of a game according to the literal definition. Visual novels are games, Sandboxes like Minecraft are games, and interactive stories are games. I really wish people would stop making up their own definition for what constitutes a game. You do not need the possibility of win/loss scenarios for something to be a game.
As for Quinn's games I don't care for them and don't see why they get such praise, but they are free so I don't think there is much point in complaining about them.
I prefer some of the definitions listed here [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game#Definitions]:
Though they don't use the actual words, most of those definitions imply defined win/loss conditions. Anyone that mentions "goals" can be interpreted as "achieving the goal = win, failing to achieve the goal = lose". Anyone that mentions quantifiable outcomes can be interpreted as "better outcome = win, lesser outcome = lose". If you're just playing around, it's not a game. If you're playing in a structured environment to meet some end goal, it's a game."A game is a system in which players engage in an artificial conflict, defined by rules, that results in a quantifiable outcome." (Katie Salen and Eric Zimmerman)[8]
"A game is a form of art in which participants, termed players, make decisions in order to manage resources through game tokens in the pursuit of a goal." (Greg Costikyan)[9] According to this definition, some "games" that do not involve choices, such as Chutes and Ladders, Candy Land, and War are not technically games any more than a slot machine is.
"A game is an activity among two or more independent decision-makers seeking to achieve their objectives in some limiting context." (Clark C. Abt)[10]
"At its most elementary level then we can define game as an exercise of voluntary control systems in which there is an opposition between forces, confined by a procedure and rules in order to produce a disequilibrial outcome." (Elliot Avedon and Brian Sutton-Smith)[11]
"A game is a form of play with goals and structure." (Kevin J. Maroney)[12]
"to play a game is to engage in activity directed toward bringing about a specific state of affairs, using only means permitted by specific rules, where the means permitted by the rules are more limited in scope than they would be in the absence of the rules, and where the sole reason for accepting such limitation is to make possible such activity." (Bernard Suits)[13]
"When you strip away the genre differences and the technological complexities, all games share four defining traits: a goal, rules, a feedback system, and voluntary participation." (Jane McGonigal)[14]