So I've Never Had Physical Contact Before...?

[Jaythulhu]

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I'm now 100% sure I'm a far, far better person than you. You try to use Peta as a morally upstanding group, then claim the UK is morally superior to anywhere else? Your head is stuck somewhere past Alpha Centauri, champ.

Still, thanks for letting me know what a fruit-loop you are. I now find myself sorry I spent so much time crafting logical, reasonable and humanist based debating points with you, when you're quite obviously a god-bothering loony who has no clue as to what they're actually talking about.
Let me guess, you tried to defend christianity over the whole pedophilia thing too, right?

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OT: To the OP, you're incredibly young, there's plenty of time for you to get involved with women. You really need to become comfortable being by yourself and in your own company first though. Unless you're confident by yourself, you'll give off an air of desperation and depression to the women you're trying to meet, and that will scare them off.

I'm a little jaded, having been through many relationships (the less said about my marriage the better) both good and bad, but the best advice I can give you is, until you've got confidence in yourself, women aren't going to stick around. They (for the most part) actually tend to have a lot of esteem and confidence issues, and look to their menfolk for emotional support. If you can't give them that (and somehow they can tell, just by looking at you), they'll run a mile.

All that said, in the end, when talking to a woman all she wants is for you to agree with her. She doesn't want you to actually listen, or to offer advice or opinions or anything, just for you to tell her she's right and that everything's going to be fine. Get that down pat (and find a non-crude way to make 'em laugh every now and then) and things should flow for ya.

Just get your own confidence and self-reliance up first. If you can't enjoy your own company, how can you ask a woman to?

 

[Jaythulhu]

Frag me, who'd have thought a bit of lag could create so many double posts?

 

[Phoenixlight]

But the most telling thing in this quote: "Even if the person is incredibly overweight, ugly or disabled." Heaven forbid! Why would anyone want to have sex with "ugly" people? Or *ick* the disabled! (After all, it was a "wrong choice" for that guy to get hit by a drunk driver and lose the use of his left leg.)

I don't know, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with being disabled or ugly I'm simply making the point that both parties should want to have sex with each other rather than just one with the other person dreading it and or being forced into it.

But to insinuate you don't do anything "bad" is ridiculous. You've made a teeny-tiny list of things you consider "bad," and just said, "See? I don't do any of those." Those aren't the world's only "bad" things, mate. They're just the list of things you think make someone "less good" (aka worse) than yourself.

I could make a huge list if I wanted to, I don't know what you consider "bad" but the things I listed are all valid.

Newsflash -- your callous judgment of the "ugly" or overweight or handicapped as awful people? That's a "bad" thing. Your use of unsupported claims, or outright falsehoods, touted as facts? Yeah, that's lying -- pretty bad. Your forum health meter seems to suggest you have trouble playing well with others on a repeated basis -- surely that's not a trait for a "good" person to ahve. And swearing, well, that's another one, isn't it? Maybe not on your list, but on someone else's. Who's to say their not right, meaning you're "bad" like the rest of us?

Your claims of moral superiority are little more than building your own personal "hill" out of dirt and then declaring yourself King of it. Your royal edicts have no basis in reality, and they have no power in the real world.

Don't lie to try and make your post look better, I never said that fat, disabled and ugly people are awful, I simply used them as an example of the sort of people that the average person probably wouldn't want to have sex with. Everything I've said so far is true, you seem upset probably because you participate in some of these immoral activities. My forum health meter is low because there's a lot of useless moderators on this website who believe that if someone quotes another user replying with only 5-6 words that they deserve a 2 week ban for "low post content" which is simply stupid. Swearing at other people in real life isn't a very nice thing to do and I don't do it. Also, my claims of moral superiority are incredibly justified.

I'm now 100% sure I'm a far, far better person than you. You try to use Peta as a morally upstanding group, then claim the UK is morally superior to anywhere else? Your head is stuck somewhere past Alpha Centauri, champ.

Still, thanks for letting me know what a fruit-loop you are. I now find myself sorry I spent so much time crafting logical, reasonable and humanist based debating points with you, when you're quite obviously a god-bothering loony who has no clue as to what they're actually talking about.
Let me guess, you tried to defend christianity over the whole pedophilia thing too, right?

PETA are a good organisation, not everyone who supports them is good but that's just the way of the world. You'll never find a company or group that doesn't have some bad people in it which is why there has been issues with certain U.K. Newspapers and privacy. However, putting aside privacy which doesn't really physically hurt anyone, the UK is actually a fantastic country with a National Health Service, strict gun control and properly upheld human rights. I guess you're not better than me after all then which is hardly surprising. I know exactly what I'm talking about and I wasn't defending the pope or anyone else to do with the pedophilia in Christianity. I follow no religion yet I'm not an atheist.

 

[McFlabbergasty]

I guess there's nothing else to be gained by asking the Internet for help...

Time to actually do stuff!

 

[ultrachicken]

You're having trouble because you're in love with having a girlfriend, not with a woman. People can smell that desperation.

 

[lilmizzazle]

I have been in a few relationships before, and lost my virginity, but hell, i've gone soon four years without being even close to sex! i went from a guy with no self-confidence, then i got a girlfriend, felt great and suddenly i startet to notice more girls giving me attention, i was almost at the brink of dumping her because i had so much more to "do" at that point, but i didnt. after a while we broke up and suddenly, no attention from girls anymore, those who gave me attention, either broke my heart or just suddenly didn't feel like talking to me anymore. this has teared me down back to the person i used to be, and here i am, feeling like a virgin again. I am a muscician, songwriter and an artist, and trust me, it actully isnt as effective as one would think! most girls are like "cool, you write songs? but they don't sound like rihanna/lady gaga, and you don't play acoustic songs and sing? well, get away from me then!"

I am not willing to sell my soul for pussy! But sometimes it seems like the only way.

 

[Cowabungaa]

Time to actually do stuff!

That's actually the best thing to do, really. As Dastardly has explained extensively, it's the best way to go about this. Or to put it in his well-written words:

Get out there, try relationships, come face-to-face with yourself, learn the things you like and the things you don't, test everything, hold on to the good. Even when we mine gold, it's not beautiful -- we know it's gold, but it doesn't shine until after we've put it to the fire and burned away the garbage.

I got nothing to add to that really, I can only recommend that you follow that advice.

Also, my claims of moral superiority are incredibly justified.

Except that, y'know, you lie, generalise, paint opinions as facts and generally make shit up. Every prostitute is forced into a brothel...ha, funny man.

 

[Kailat777]

I guess there's nothing else to be gained by asking the Internet for help...

Time to actually do stuff!

This is the best thing you can possibly think, assuming by 'do stuff' you mean 'ask someone out'. Regarding your guitar comment. If picking up the guitar will only be a means to a girlfriend (meaning, you otherwise have no interests in a guitar), do no such thing. If there IS something you have interest in that would be attractive, then by all means, go for it. It's pointless to do something that isn't 'you' to attract a girl, because then she won't be attracted to 'you', and a relationship of that sort certainly won't last.

The critical points to finding a lady who wants to be with you are: Be confident and be yourself. Don't hesitate to ask out any girl you want, even if she's clearly out of your league (seriously, you'd be surprised). If she says no, you lived and possibly learned something from the experience. If she says yes, congratulations, mission accomplished!

 

[Angie7F]

In a modern society the shitty people shouldn't be allowed to run such things. If you look at a morally superior country like the United Kingdom or Japan you can see that they have advanced to a point where the people in charge have made brothels illegal. I'm not really that surprised by Australia lagging behind but it will get there

I'm sorry to keep the prostitution debate going, but I just need to point out that in Japan prostitution is illegal, but actually if you go to a legal " soap land" bath house, you will be able to have sex.

Even the police know, it is a commonly accepted fact, and therefore, prostitution is allowed in Japan.

Also the is a huge industry of "health" services that engagin in all sexual acts except from perpetration of sexual organs, ( anal sex is allowed).

And as you can imagine, Japan is a wealthy country and most girls choose to work there as a profession, just like Australian brothels.

To say that any country has totally illegalized prostitution is naive.


Anyhow, back to the topic...

I agree that you should stop looking, but " to hell with it" attitude will get you no where.
You have to act non chalant , but keep looking, if that makes any sense.


Now, Japan today is interesting because over 60% of men n the heir 20s are single and not even looking to be in a relationship.

Many of these men say that they can sexually satisfy themselves with porn, sex services etc, and don't want to have to pay for dates, give up weekends and worry about marriage in the future.

I know you are different because you actually want to be in one, but maybe it is just that there is trend for people to be more disconnected from one another than in the past....