Therumancer said:
My thoughts are kind of simple. It's taken a stealth series and turned it into a brawler. It stars a protaganist I hate, and uses a nonsense word "Revengeance" which is almost hilarious when you think about it. I said 'no' early on.
I thought it was a pretty obvious joke when the word became attached to the game. Given the OTT tone of the new trailer at the time, with the tagline "Revenge with a vengeance" coupled with the overuse of guitar. I'm pretty sure it was meant to be silly.
What's more it strikes me as being kind of ironic that we have people doing backflips over a demo, trailers, etc... at the same time there are major controversies over being lied to by the gaming industry. Sure it's got an awesome Demo, but look at all the people who got screwed the same way over "Aliens: Colonial Marines" and truthfully that had more potential than this game.
I'm sure people will get in my face for saying this, but it's my thoughts on the subject. I recommend waiting to see what happens. To be honest it seems to me a lot of people psyched for this game ultimatly want more "Metal Gear", similar to how people who flocked to "Colonial Marines" really, really, wanted more Aliens. This blinded people to the obvious flaws.
Hold on, didn't Aliens:CM
not have a demo?
I really don't see how this is at-all comparable to the A:CM debacle. When you're looking at it the way you do, you can pretty much cast this sort of doubt on any future release for any game with any sort of hype. (Which isn't a bad thing, but still.)
I'm really not sure what you're going on about here. Besides, MGR is actually out now and it's had a very positive reception thus far.
www.destructoid.com/reviews-elsewhere-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-246016.phtml
Compare that to A:CM.
www.destructoid.com/reviews-elsewhere-aliens-colonial-marines-244711.phtml
Also, the part in the full-game that was in demo is significantly more polished.
On a lot of levels it surprises me to see so many people vocally supporting "Revengeance" given that at least with the western audience Raiden was pretty much a pariah and hated to an extreme in pretty much every Metal Gear discussion that came up. Especially given the alleged racist motivations for creating the character (ie having a Japanese protaganist for the Japanese audience given that it didn't go over well to have a Gaijin hero this way... something which kind of failed). With all the QQing about being forced to play as the guy, or watch his cut scenes, it's kind of shocking to see so many people getting behind playing an entire game as this guy.
I think a lot of the upset came from the bait-and-switch, since MGS2 was a sneaking game (aka 'Snake' game) starring a non-Snake person. as I remember at the time that there was no mention of the fact that we wouldn't be playing as Snake. Hell, even the original cover of the game had Snake plastered on the front with no mention of Raiden to be found.
Raiden himself wasn't quite the problem, I think the entire execution of the game and Raiden's character was botched. Even so, you can't speak for everyone since I've heard a lot of westerners say that they liked Raiden in MGS2.
Besides I don't think it's all that surprising people would want this game when you look at Raiden in MGS4. You may have never liked him sure, and maybe a lot of people never did either. But in general, Raiden was much more accepted in MGS4. And I thought he had redeemed himself all the while becoming an even more distinct character from Snake, and establishing that he is a badass in his own right.
Even back from the MGS1 days, people wanted a cyborg ninja game. And Kojima did want to make it happen.
Just my thoughts. I might give it a shot if the game comes out and gets some really good critical and fan reception over a period of time... but right now my thoughts are still along the lines of "no... just... no", perhaps combined with a bit of "WTF were they thinking when they thought this was the direction to take the series in".
Are you completely ignoring the fact that this is a spinoff, and the fact that Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeroes is a thing?
A cyborg ninja game set in the Metal Gear universe was destined to happen one way or another. If this is apparently the "wrong direction" for a cyborg ninja game to go in, then what is the right direction?
I don't want to seem like I'm jumping on you for having concerns over this game... But with the game being actually out now, and having a lot of positive feedback, I think a lot of your concerns can be put to rest.
Except for the concern of still-being-Raiden.
