so now that the ender's game movie is out...

jab136

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what is everyone's plan to see it? I am certainly not paying for it in theaters. 1. because it could never live up to the books and still be a generally viewable movie,
naked children killing each other, and other things that would probably trigger a reaction from the general public.
and 2. because the author is a d-bag and I don't want to give him any money.
 

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jab136 said:
and 2. because the author is a d-bag and I don't want to give him any money.
Yeah, this.

TBH, that's all I know about it. I've heard nothing about it except for people saying that we shouldn't give him money, or that he's a horrible person but giving him money is ok because he's rich or people should care about him being horrible or something.
 

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jab136 said:
2. because the author is a d-bag and I don't want to give him any money.
He signed away and got paid for the rights years ago. He's not making any back-end from the film. Your ticket will not in any way be going to Orson Scott Card. Just in case that was the most important reason for you to not see the film.

Source: http://www.thewrap.com/orson-scott-card-boycott-enders-game-box-office-book-instead

OT: Might see it once it hits home video. I remember loving the book ... when I was in elementary school. Haven't read it since.
 

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Well, I don't have any money, so I couldn't watch it even if I wanted to. If the author isn't getting profits from it, it got higher on my list of things of notice, though like I said I don't have money.
 

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I won't see it. I already read the book; i have no reason to watch Hollywood butcher it.
 

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Let me let you know just how the movie was. I'll spoiler it for you, just in case you want to be surprised.

The movie felt rushed, with the effects of a Disney movie from the early aughts in some parts and a big budget movie in others. They compressed a large amount of the Battle School portion, and changed many things just to make it seem "future-y." Ender feels wrong. Asa doesn't necessarily play him as well as someone else might have, because he tries to make Ender feel too cold to begin with, as does the script itself, which kills how the book introduces Ender. They push the "everything is horrible, death, despair, dystopia" feeling, when that didn't come as far across in the books to the general public outside of the nets, and they cut out Demosthenes and Locke, removing a good bit of the intelligence to the information getting to the public. The parts involving the IF being this almost Nazi-like force, as opposed to simply being a world government created for the defense of Earth, which I never saw in the book: it feels shoehorned in to fit with the movies of today. Overall, they made it look too futuristic and ridiculous, and the acting is sub par at best in many parts. I actually walked out before Command School because of it.

There ya go. Read if you want it.
 

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I didn't care for the book, so I don't really have any interest for the movie. Maybe one day I'll watch it to compare it to the book, but other than that... *shrugs*
 

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I've forgotten why we don't like Mr. Card anymore. Was it that he was really homophobic?

I remember enjoying the books but I don't see what the film would really be able to add?
 

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I got the book as a present once and never felt like reading it, so of course I don't much care for its movie adaptation either. I don't much care for this kind of projects in general, they feel like they're targeting the teen demographic and trying to establish some sort of franchise. Hunger Games, City of Bones, Percy Jackson...

For the record I wouldn't consider the author's wardrobe malfunction or whatever sensation he caused an issue. I've read books written by murderers and rapists, I'm sure I can stomach some jerk who "made a comment".
 

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It opened in cinemas on the 25th in the UK and my friends and I went to see it on the 28th; I had read the book on many previous occasions whilst they had not. None of us were impressed for pretty much the same reasons. Sure the acting is great, the visuals, sets and music too, but the film is way too short at 114mins and could really have done with another thirty mins or possibly more; the plot is just way too fast and feels very rushed.

I also think they did a disservice to the main themes of the book, which was really a case study in child manipulation and child abuse; the scenes in Battle School fly past so quick that you don't get any of Ender's struggle and progression, nor how much it wears him down and tires him out. In the book by the time he fights the two armies he's broken and about ready to quit, which he actually does.

Now I'm not saying they should have copied the book scene for scene, in fact I think it would have worked better if they diverged from the book but kept it's soul and themes. For example it wouldn't have been hard to include a few scenes where Ender get's numerous medicals over time (Not in the book), and then have the doctors report to Graff and Anderson how the intensive battles are effecting his body, with Anderson perhaps giving a running commentary as Dragon's test scores in their normal lessons plummet as more pressure is applied. They could even have shown a few members of Dragon army collapsing from exhaustion or having breakdowns, or have Ender lose it whilst he's alone to show how it's getting to him. Instead though we got Ender the launchie, then Ender promoted to Salamander and then Ender is Commander of Dragon army, and yeah it was a bit hard but we coped okay didn't we? Basically they watered it down too much.

Lastly is the issue of Ender's perceived age and how that effects how you relate to him. Now don't get me wrong Asa was probably one of the best things about the film he was that good; he's good in all his films especially Hugo, and he certainly can't be blamed for Hood's shitty screenplay, but the one thing against him is his height and to a lesser extent his looks, but especially his voice. Had they filmed when Asa was a bit younger i.e. how he looked in Hugo, then he would have been absolutely perfect for the role, and the audience would have had a much easier time sympathizing with him, especially with the manipulation and abuse factor. Of course I get the idea that it's hard to find a bunch of child stars, but they never needed to so long as they nailed Ender; it's not like the kids had much to do in the film anyway so did it really matter if they weren't the next Haley Joel Osment?
 

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well, bob just confirmed my suspicion that the movie wouldn't live up to the book, his review is up, warning there are spoilers in it
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/escape-to-the-movies/8368-Enders-Game?utm_source=latest&utm_medium=index_carousel&utm_campaign
 

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Based solely on the advert (I didn't even know it was a book) this looks like one of the worst films ever made. I wouldn't go to see it for anything short of being forced at gunpoint. Seriously? Child being the only person that can save the universe? Such tripe. Can anyone remind me when that was ever a good plot? No? I thought not.
 

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Tom_green_day said:
Based solely on the advert (I didn't even know it was a book) this looks like one of the worst films ever made. I wouldn't go to see it for anything short of being forced at gunpoint. Seriously? Child being the only person that can save the universe? Such tripe. Can anyone remind me when that was ever a good plot? No? I thought not.
try reading the book (just borrow it from the library don't buy it as the author is a massively bigoted d-bag). the book was possibly one of the best works of sci-fi I have ever experienced. right up there with Asimov.
 

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Queen Michael said:
I won't see it. I already read the book; i have no reason to watch Hollywood butcher it.
...and yet book adaptations bring in massive audiences anyway...

OT: Hmmm... Loved the book when I read it in school many years ago. I might check it out at the discount theater or follow Marter's example and wait even longer.
 

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Tom_green_day said:
Based solely on the advert (I didn't even know it was a book) this looks like one of the worst films ever made. I wouldn't go to see it for anything short of being forced at gunpoint. Seriously? Child being the only person that can save the universe? Such tripe. Can anyone remind me when that was ever a good plot? No? I thought not.
The book is one of the best pieces of scifi fiction ever published, as were the series that spawned off of it.

Ironically enough, there was a pervasive and admirable sense of humanitarian ethics in the books that almost directly argues against the homophobic agenda of the author, which made hearing about the latter incredibly shocking to me.

In any event there is a damn good reason for the selection of children for this role that is explained in the book. Unfortunately, there are a lot of subtleties like that which cannot easily be translated to film without having a narrator talking much of the time. So no, I don't expect this to live up to the book at all.
 

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In any event there is a damn good reason for the selection of children for this role that is explained in the book. Unfortunately, there are a lot of subtleties like that which cannot easily be translated to film without having a narrator talking much of the time. So no, I don't expect this to live up to the book at all.
If it's the same reason that MovieBob explained in his video then that isn't a good reason, it's the fucking dumbest and most contrived reason ever.
 

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Considering that I enjoyed Ender's Shadow way more than Ender's Game, and I can't possibly conceive how to make Ender's Game into a good movie, I won't be seeing it. To me, the book just wasn't movie material. Not because I didn't enjoy it, but because twist endings are rather difficult to do on screen. On top of that, the movie had a tall order to develop the characters in the same way the book did, and judging by various reviews, including moviebob's review, the character development wasn't really there.
 

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I won't be seeing this.
I haven't any interest in it for one, so much so that I haven't the foggiest idea of what it's about.
 

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Bertylicious said:
I've forgotten why we don't like Mr. Card anymore. Was it that he was really homophobic?
He was/is part of a group calling for a revolution because the US government isn't locking gay people up in concentration camps or somesuch.