So....the Queen is coming to town....
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And if the Queen dismissed an Australian PM for not curtsying, it'd be a massive shitstorm, and I don't think it'd jsut be Australia that started reconsidering becoming a republic.Lizardon said:
Look, there's really no other way to say this but what the fuck are you on about?StBishop said:
Australia inherited the primacy of the parliament over the crown from the UK, which was established in England after having a boisterous civil war about it. It's even in history books, just look up 'English Civil War, the'. The Crown and it's representatives have effectively been rubber stamps for whatever Parliament wanted since then.
That goes without even mentioning all the legislative work in the 70s and 80s to remove all direct influence of any UK governance on Australia, including Liz II having any say in anything. We only keep her around because she's already on the money.
Actually, the GG can't fire the PM except by request of Parliament... of course, to be honest, the GG can't do much more than take a shit except by request of Parliament. Glorified rubber stamp and dignitary greeter... fucking cush job.Lizardon said:
yeeeahhhhhh except for the part where, while Australia is self governing, it's technically The Commonwealth of Australia, which has Queen Elizabeth II right at the top of the governmental structure.Cheshire the Cat said:
...Because England doesn't need the royal family to attract tourists...pfft!
What else is there in England to attract that all important tourism pound? - a big wheel, football, a filthy river or 8, street crime, growing unemployment...
If it wasn't for the royal family, there wouldn't be much of a reason to visit England, not with France so close by. Yeah, come to England, pay 3 times the tax you would anywhere else for anything else, come and sample the repugnant cuisine, the vapid music scene, then spend your evening avoiding being stabbed. England tourism would die without the royals, but I mean real tourism - like people who have money to spend, your grandparents maybe.
When the queen visits, it's the pantomime thats important - you guys think the queen was visiting Aus to talk business?, discuss global economy? - no, the queen does not deal with these things, we have politicians for that. Some people consider it a great honor to meet the queen, I guess that might be asking a bit much of the average Australian though
- I never met an Australian that I didn't like, because I never met an Australian who didn't bring me beer!.
What else is there in England to attract that all important tourism pound? - a big wheel, football, a filthy river or 8, street crime, growing unemployment...
If it wasn't for the royal family, there wouldn't be much of a reason to visit England, not with France so close by. Yeah, come to England, pay 3 times the tax you would anywhere else for anything else, come and sample the repugnant cuisine, the vapid music scene, then spend your evening avoiding being stabbed. England tourism would die without the royals, but I mean real tourism - like people who have money to spend, your grandparents maybe.
When the queen visits, it's the pantomime thats important - you guys think the queen was visiting Aus to talk business?, discuss global economy? - no, the queen does not deal with these things, we have politicians for that. Some people consider it a great honor to meet the queen, I guess that might be asking a bit much of the average Australian though
- I never met an Australian that I didn't like, because I never met an Australian who didn't bring me beer!.
Have you considered giant fibreglass tourist traps? I've got the perfect idea for one at Cockfosters.surg3n said:
We're not allowed to give Liz II beer anymore... Not since Menzies got her shitfaced and she made a complete arse of herself.
I don't understand how it was disrespectful. She wasn't mocking the traditional or anything, she simply decided, as I've told is allowed, to not curtsey, but instead perform a more dignified (for her) greeting. A lot of women who've been meeting the Queen haven't, they've bowed their heads instead which I think is a perfectly valid way to pay respect and greet the Queen. It's what most men do as well. No one in this day and age is going to do a full bow or curtsey to anyone. It's an outdated practice.Blablahb said:
Anyway, the Queen already knew we Aussies were much more relaxed when it came to trivial formalities.
For those who don't know that's Paul Keating, Prime minister from 1991 to 1996, with his arm around the Queen
Ummmm I said the Queen can't dismiss an Australian PM, regardless of whether or not they curtsied.thaluikhain said:
Why would the Queen deserve respect? The entire monarchy is a bunch of people living on state funded excess and nothing more.
No offence, but I do have to clarify the Difference between a Feudal Monarchy ('medieval monarchy') and a Constitutional Monarchy (British Government). They are completely different structures of government, Feudal being lead by a Despotic Leader having true authority over their domain by allowing Barons and Lords to rule their fiefs, and a Constitutional Monarchy being a government in which a Parliament decides the countries direction and rules over them, with a Monarchy forming an Auxiliary Power Role or being refined to a 'Figure Head' Role.Vault101 said:
Just a Technicality that you snagged on.
OT: The queen deserves as much respect as Dole Bludgers. Those who take money from the government to live, those who can't afford to feed themselves. Hardly people fit to run a country.
You just answered your own question!surg3n said:
You've never been to Finland have you...surg3n said:
Yes they do watch football, as much as anyone else in Finland, and not just my grandparents.surg3n said:
I certainly would, I actually believemost people would...surg3n said:
Got to go, must befriend some australians...surg3n said:
Sorry if I seem a bit harsh here but really?
Englands great! I've been there several times and the only thing really that costs more (of daily stuff) is tobacco (I don't smoke, friends do) and the fines you get are a lot higher than here.
I wouldn't know about houses/cars etc but it can't be worse than up here mate.
(also take my post lightly and not too seriously. cheers!)
No one should have to curtsy the queen. She has done nothing to deserve the position she has, and this goes for all monarchies. It makes no sense for them to be there in the first place.
I would have believed that we had the best rulers ever if Julia Gillard said sup and done a secret handshake with the queen. Also why does the queen deserve respect? She was born into that position she didn't earn it.
