So, wanna talk about Pornographic VideoGames?

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Anthony Corrigan said:
really? who bought Playboy mansion? Certainly wasn't me who bought it in our household, was my FEMALE partner.
I don't know what's the point of telling me about your female partner when I was speaking on a very wide and general basis.

Anthony Corrigan said:
Who buys "romance" novels which are porn by any other name?
tardcore said:
And yet the market for males for romance novels which, and let's not split hairs here, are predominantly works of erotic fiction, is much smaller than the market for females. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
Huh, two comments bringing up romance novels in a pornography topic. And yes, while the wide genre of pornographic does cover books, it still baffles me why it's being brought up to try and counter my point. The very first thing that 99.999% of people will imagine in their mind when I yell "porn!" is NOT a 300 page romance novel, I can tell you that right now. If you know anyone who DOES immediately think of romance novels when asked to bring up examples of pornography, boy they are some incredibly odd/rare people.
Said novels most likely don't get censorship laws (or even ratings) applied to them because I don't see anyone being particularly worried about little Timmy finding their pornographic novel and attempting to read any more than 1 page before getting bored to tears.
 

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Welp, it looks like everything I wanted to say was already said by Bara_no_Hime before I got here.

I am of the mindset that games are a form of art, art is best when it expresses aspects of life, sex is a part of life - ergo, sex is something that definitely deserves a spot in our chosen form of entertainment. The real problem as I see it is not the sex itself but how people choose to portray it. Like anything else it can be executed well or very poorly, and the only way that depictions of sex in video games are going to evolve into something that isn't entirely cringe-worthy, is by exploring that subject.

Slightly off-topic - reading through this thread and a few others, I realized that I find people that profess to have never played porn games to be far stranger than ones that have. Like, you are, or at one point were teenagers right? Hell, I don't even think I made it *to* my teen years without spending an inordinate amount of time on the internet looking at porn. >_>
 

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Frokane said:
H-game on newgrounds or something.
The small flash games and stuff like that I don't think count.
If they did then I'd say the the gaming industry has all the sex games it could want!
Except they are all really crappy and quite lack luster.

idk about any "deals with sex maturely" but a few porn games like Kurovadavis (pretty sure I messed up the spelling. Google will probably fix that for you.) and Eroico (also made by the same guy) I found to be pretty good.

The good thing about them was that they didn't seem like "porn games", but more like "games, that also had a lot of porn".
There was at least some basic form of game under it is what I'm trying to say.

Visual Novels are nice, but it's not much of a game imo.
 

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As much as I would like to see how it would be done, it would never be accepted by people. Does any remember the hot coffee mod? As soon as people found out about that the game was taken off shelves until it was re-done without the scripts that allowed the game to run it. Even Mass Effect was attacked for having a sex scene.

It won't happen in the near future, especially with the sudden increase in people complaining about how women are portrayed.
Animated Prostitution is a big thing in almost all recent Bethesda RPGs. I'd say the idea is getting less stigma overhaul.

OT: Ehe. Whatever. As long as it is in context, and people which are easily offended can choose not to do it, who gives a doodle?
 

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I shall counter thou

Scarlet Blade

True it isn't a full blown porn game because well.. it stays with T&A. But yes they have a "nude patch" and yes it are all sexy girls. Oh my

It is an MMO and yes even some girls play it. Oh my again

I seen a few pure porn games but yeah those tend to hang around the more dirty sides of the internet. You wouldn't hear of them unless you already we're walking in porn valley. From those asian "dating" games to some 3d sex sims. From card games with nude girls to.. well you know the score.

Scarlet Blade probably is at strong as it can get and still be seen as legit game.

That Toujousha game though.. eh. Touju To.. you know that dating game with those invalid girls. Well invalid lets say girls with a story to tell. And what a story! I don't care much about the nude pictures.. eh whatever. But the story in there is good!
 

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ITT people should play Kamidori Alchemy Meister.

It's easily the equal of any JRPG released in the last, say, 20 years. Better than most of them, in fact, because it regularly presents an actual tactical challenge (it's an SRPG, Fire Emblem is the closest point of reference, but with its own unique gameplay mechanics which, IMO, elevate it above the actual FE games in some regards). It has better romance stories than fucking Bioware have ever written as well. (In fact, they're so central to the game that the entire plot changes depending on which one you pursue, and I don't just mean "the same things with different dialogue", I mean completely and wholly different story which reflects and impacts on the romance you are pursuing and has totally different gameplay content related to it.)

90 hour game, highly configurable new game plus, compelling inside and outside of battle due to having to balance exploring for items for crafting with the costs of running your item crafting workshop, and making things to sell to fund your party.

All that and pr0nz. What are you waiting for?



Edit: Most eroge are visual novels, and fuck visual novels, if I wanted cutscenes I'd play Final Fantasy and look up fanart for my pr0nz.
 

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Sex in video games haven't really worked out throughout the years. How should I say this? It feels extremely out of place and unnatural when using a controller? I suppose, there's just a bigger chance to break someone's sense of "immersion", for lack of a better word, when portraying sex in video games than anywhere else. Well, wait no. I can't exactly say anywhere else since I don't watch porn? How about, "jiggle physics looks weird." Yeah, let's go with that.
 

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You know what I think the biggest obstacle is?

Embarrassment.

I don't even mean that people are afraid to put sexual elements in something creative- I think they're petrified that the way they portray it will be criticized. Pornography gets a pass because it's very singular in tone, but inside of a larger narrative, I could see people being afraid of putting a bad impression of themselves based on what they perceive as being appealing.

There's also a fuckton of fetish-shaming out there, so there's that, too.
 

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Sex is art, not just in the depiction of the nude body, but how it is handled.

For Dragon's Crown, the sexy things I find about the Sorceress and the Amazon aren't their bodies but how their bodies movem and I'm not just talking about jiggle physics, but how smooth the animations are.


GloatingSwine said:
ITT people should play Kamidori Alchemy Meister.

It's easily the equal of any JRPG released in the last, say, 20 years. Better than most of them, in fact, because it regularly presents an actual tactical challenge (it's an SRPG, Fire Emblem is the closest point of reference, but with its own unique gameplay mechanics which, IMO, elevate it above the actual FE games in some regards). It has better romance stories than fucking Bioware have ever written as well. (In fact, they're so central to the game that the entire plot changes depending on which one you pursue, and I don't just mean "the same things with different dialogue", I mean completely and wholly different story which reflects and impacts on the romance you are pursuing and has totally different gameplay content related to it.)

90 hour game, highly configurable new game plus, compelling inside and outside of battle due to having to balance exploring for items for crafting with the costs of running your item crafting workshop, and making things to sell to fund your party.

All that and pr0nz. What are you waiting for?

Edit: Most eroge are visual novels, and fuck visual novels, if I wanted cutscenes I'd play Final Fantasy and look up fanart for my pr0nz.
Very good mention! Kamidori and most things by Eushully fall into this (I've played all their games to date), they have gameplay with stories that have big world building. It's kind of funny that Kamidori is the first of their games to get translated because it features some of the tamer sex scenes compared to their other titles.

There's also Alicesoft, though its sexualization is mostly comedic and lack world building.
 

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Azriel Nightshade said:
Think about the legion of Rule 34 art there is for any game, comic, book, entertainment series you can name. Think about all the flash games and videos depicting said art in animated form. Think about how it's a joke that when games like Skyrim come out, there are at least 10 different mods who's sole purpose is to let you see naked people in the games. The desire is there, but the need is being meet mostly by other fans and not the makers of said entertainment.
Everyone has sexual fantasies, and if that involves writing a fanfiction of Cortana "literally" helping Master Chief out of his armor then that is what they fantasize. But while most people like ice cream, there are specific flavors of ice cream people favor more than others. So sexual themes are more toleratable than others. For example: Hypothetically, there are some fanfiction of Zelda and Link engaging in consensual sex. But there can also be fanfiction of Link raping Zelda, or Zelda getting her whip out to 'punish' Link. Most people are okay with fetishes of rape or BDSM scenes in their porn, while others are not.

This is where I think games like "Dead or Alive" and "Dragon's Crown" fail in terms of fan service as they want to satisfy an audiences sexual desires, but they generalize it too much. There were quite a few males that didn't like the Sorceress and Amazon aesthetic at all, yet others saw it sexually appealing. In contrast, people might find more defined characters like Alyx Vance (Half-Life 2) or Jade (Beyond Good & Evil) more sexually attractive due to their bravery, intelligence, and cunning. Game developers *cannot* predict what kind of person is going to play their game, so they generalize all sexual interests into a male that likes big boobs and arse. Sure it might attract some people, but not everyone.

It's like an ice cream truck that comes to your area but they only serve one flavor of ice cream. Some people are okay with this, but others don't get what they want.

Azriel Nightshade said:
1. Adding explicit sex to the game would detract from the core gameplay.
-I would say no, givin that the other games I've listed, (the Elder Scroll series, Dragon Age, Mass Effect, the Fable trilogy, Saints Row, the Witcher, Fallout), have sexual themes, but no sex. I'm going to go out on a limb and say games of those kind can have their established gameplay elements in addition to gameplay that is explicit sexual content.
From what I seen sex is not part of the core mechanics of either these games. They are more in the realm of the narrative engine that requires no input from the player, unless they want to skip the cutscene to get back into the game. To give an example, sexual encounters in these games are given as a reward to the player for successfully charming the NPC. But the player never has any agency on what position to try, what organ to use, or even where to sleep with their partner. Actually, in most cases these games only give you one chance to sleep with these characters per game campaign. An equivalent example would be seeing the cutscene of the world being saved after defeating the final boss in every game.

This raises the next issue on how explicit the sexual content is. If the sexual encounters were interactive, the player would have to see, hear, and be involved in the sexual encounter. That means developing rules and putting resources meant for the core mechanics of the game aside for this one-time mini-game or comical quick-time event (See God of War). All of this would have to be evaluated during the game development -- while avoiding the sexual conservative views of politicians and parents in countries like the United States.

Finally, sexual content in games are often part of the narrative. Games like "The Witcher" or "Mass Effect" use sex to show how mature and 'adult' their stories are. "Dragon's Crown" isn't a game that is meant to be played for its story, at least from what I see in the trailers. It's a hack & slash game where you and three buddies get together to slash up some goblins and fight a dragon. It is literally "Castle Crashers" with tits. Because of this it would be hard to pre-define NPCs to favor whatever the player is. What if that Nun could be slept with if the player makes the right choice? Would that mean she is capable of being slept with a female elf, lumbering male warrior/dwarf, and a bulky amazon? And what about your friends? What if the Nun offers herself to all four of you on the couch?

Azriel Nightshade said:
2. No game retailer would sell there games.
-True. But we live in a world where digital distribution is a thing. These kinds of sexual games do not have to go through the Walmarts and Game Stops of the world.
What digital distribution site could they go to? Steam? Steam's greenlight started with some naughty games trying to get in, until Valve kicked them out and enforced a $100 fee on anyone wanting to sign in via Greenlight with a red sign saying "No porn allowed". Digital distribution is becoming more popular, but it also has to follow a strict guideline of what content is available to users of all ages. An example would be the good Visual Novel "Katawa Shoujo". While not technically porn, it does contain sexually explicit scenes and the game is given away for free. I doubt any digital distribution site -- Steam, Desura, and even Origin -- want to host that game on their server.
 

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JamesStone said:
Animated Prostitution is a big thing in almost all recent Bethesda RPGs. I'd say the idea is getting less stigma overhaul.
This, This is where it will start. People are making EVERYTHING for skyrim. Role-playing mods normally are a huge thing for skyrim. Having to actually eat and sleep, getting sick and even dying if your out in the cold to long. Right now adult mod wise you could pretty much do it with anyone either by becoming friends, paying or by force and get people or get pregnant yourself and so on. If mods ever get more uniform and easier to do, people will probably buy skyrim for adult mods.

Enough people and enough time and working out all the bugs, you'll be able if you can't right now, play skyrim normally with all these other basically real life options.
 

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There actually is a game that is essentially a NES RPG in lieu of Final Fantasy which revolves around sex.
In addition to many other mentions that I am going to search for right now.
Cheers ;)
 

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CloudAtlas said:
Mass Effect is a very good example of a game where I would have wished for more sex. And more explicitness. Seriously, who is taking a shower with his/her underwear on?
I like to think of that as some kind of insane flirting that only makes sense to Samantha.

CloudAtlas said:
On the non-sexual side of the relationships I do not want to comment here, so I'll just say that the hauntingly emotional "I wrote your name in the stars" scene makes me forgive many flaws.
I like that one, but I'm a much bigger fan of the scene between them at the F.O.B. in London, and Liara just says in that quiet, gentle tone "I love you".

BOOM! Right through the heart.

Bara_no_Hime said:
Although, I was kinda hoping Liara was going to take that opportunity to tell Shep she was pregnant. It would have been a nice tie in to the Blue Babies discussion from Shadow Broker.
Okay, not gonna lie, if that had actually happened, the rage I felt at the endings would have been magnified a thousand fold. It would have been both beautiful and tragic to watch though (the scene, not my temper tantrum).
 

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Opposed to pornographic content, I would love for games to more frequently discuss and explore themes based around sexuality. I think that more sexual themes will be, inevitably, discussed as video gaming as a media begins to grow and expand, but I don't think that the addition of inherently pornographic content is the strongest first step to establishing honest and enlightened discussion of sexuality in video games.
 

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Kal-Adam said:
Opposed to pornographic content, I would love for games to more frequently discuss and explore themes based around sexuality. I think that more sexual themes will be, inevitably, discussed as video gaming as a media begins to grow and expand, but I don't think that the addition of inherently pornographic content is the strongest first step to establishing honest and enlightened discussion of sexuality in video games.
Well, I don't believe outright pornographic content will ever make its way into mainstream games. It hasn't in movies, why should games be any different. Full frontal nudity and prolonged sex scenes, sure, but there's just no benefit to me in going any further.
 

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You forgot about the ratings, they'd have to be drastically changed and chances are it wouldn't be cleared for release in a few countries (imports aside), even those with R18+ (or AO or whatever your country has).

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I think it's because right now, any time a 'realistic' game depicts so much as a kiss, it's got all the sexual energy of mashing Barbie and Ken dolls together. The actions are just way too uncanny valley, and I don't see that changing any time soon.

Also, being bluntly honest, having to operate a controller with one hand and my joystick in the other sounds like more effort than I can be bothered with if I'm in the mood to fap.
 

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evilneko said:
I don't think you're actually describing what would be a "porn game" but rather it sounds like you're talking about games that just happen to have sex in them. There's a difference there. A movie isn't porn when it has a sex scene--even an explicit one--it's porn when the explicit sex is pretty much all there is. To use an extreme example: Boogie Nights, despite all the nudity, sexuality, and outright sex... isn't a porno.

Actual porno games... usually aren't very interesting, except when you're *ahem* self-gratifying.

Also 3D models boinking usually ends up not looking very good, often even in pre-rendered scenes.
Excellent point.
GZGoten said:
my girlfriend adores the "h-games" genre of games... I think that's what they're called. She fell in love with the genre when she was studying Japanese back in college and has quite a few collections, looking behind me I see every Sono Hanabira game released to date. Sengoku Rance, Rance Quest, and Yamiyo ni Odore. There's a bunch more but they don't have a translated sticker on them so I got no idea what they say

anyways, my point is that despite being an male directed genre a lot of girls enjoy the game because of the romance or comedy. Oddly enough the 6 girls I know that like these games all prefer the one's that contain 100% yuri routes because of the romance heavy themes these routes usually have
Had not considered this. Interesting.

thebakedpotato said:
Like... Second life or something?
Sweet 9 pound 8 ounce baby Jesus no. XD

Mick P. said:
Other than fighting sex is about the only thing you would need all of the buttons on a controller for. Everything else can be done with one all purpose button.

This will happen. And it will be normal once gaming is an open platform. Thing is if the game is about storytelling then you can't force sex into a story, because if you force the player into sex, just like forcing the player into murder, its very rapey. On the other hand that's done for murder all the time, but still I think forcing the player into sex, will just highlight how messed up it is to force a player to murder.

Instances where a storytelling game forces the player into sex, or murder, should be cut scenes period. No control. Forcing sex with controls would just be totally alienating. People talk about game as art. But games won't be art, until all those demons in Megaten games have exposed genitals, and things like that. All of these fig leafs will have to fall away before games as a medium can be taken seriously.

If the player is in control of the sex, because just like fighting, making out is probably the next most common thing in any fantasy novel, then you can't censor it. If people want hardcore porn like sex they move the camera around or whatever or vice versa. Any way to censor that, just like fighting, just wouldn't work. On some level this is why the ubiquity of porn online is such a blessing for human society, because it desensitizes everyone to these images, so we can think about them more with our forebrains, less with our hindbrains.

I don't think people are going to want to play games for controller based fantasy make out sessions in lieu of porn. To my mind this evolution is just like what you see in serious non-commercial movies. Not eschewing reality in order to cultivate a society of willful blindness. If you are controlling a sexy scene it's probably because you think it works at that point in the story or sandbox, or its a social thing you do with other players. Because what is fantasy without romance?
The eloquence in this is inspiring and I thank you for it.

viranimus said:
Sorry... But what the OP cites really is not what I know I think of when I see the term "pornographic videogames"
I fully admit that I just put "Pornographic" in the title as a means of getting people to click on it. I've been wanting to have this discussion for a while. Mainly out of curiosity for other opinions and I wanted to avoid getting lost in the crowd. Thus the peacock feather title.

Evil Smurf said:
You know you can always play corruption of champions.
Been down with CoC since 2011.

Also shout-outs to Bara_no_Hime.
10/10 great posts.
 

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I don't think the games industry needs to delve into pornography, that's a bit excessive at this point, but it definitely needs to be willing to take a few more risks when dealing with sexual scenarios and content.