Well for me the biggest advantage is I can go out and buy any xbox 360 game I want without worrying that my computer isn't 100% up to date in every category.
So what is the advantage of a console?
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Well I never have to worry about my console not being able to run a game.
No DRM. Heck a few weeks ago my internet went away and I was unable to access any of my PC games with DRM but all of my consoles games were just fine(I couldn't access multiplayer but I was ok with that).
And the final advantage : Exclusives (nuff said)
No DRM. Heck a few weeks ago my internet went away and I was unable to access any of my PC games with DRM but all of my consoles games were just fine(I couldn't access multiplayer but I was ok with that).
And the final advantage : Exclusives (nuff said)
Confirmed prices then?GunsmithKitten said:
Alright.
The motherboard from the Previous was "Buy Now" - hence, fixed price. No bids, just a straight online purchase. $53.50.
RAM:
http://www.megabuy.com.au/gskill-4gb-ddr3-1333mhz-sodimm-memory-p144447.html
$16.50
Graphics:
http://www.arc.com.au/pub.php?pid=41822&p=product
$155
CPU:
The original link I proposed, http://www.microcenter.com/product/371961/PHENOM_II_X4_840_Boxed_Processor
$66.50
Totals to 53.5+16.5+155+66.5 = $291.50
Ignoring the fact that I have each of those parts and would sell them to you for a rather low price [If I can be bothered finding them], links:
9800GTX:
http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-512-P3-N871-AR-GeForce-9800GTX-Graphics/dp/B0016BL5M4
$50, $5 lower than he suggested.
Intel Core 2 Duo:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0036FS3YQ/ref=sr_1_8_olp?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1346818709&sr=1-8&keywords=Intel+Core+2+Duo+E6600&condition=used
A couple for $45, which is $5 higher. There are higher prices there, but you're looking for cheap so...
2Gb RAM:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0019MI1CW/ref=sr_1_2_olp?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1346818777&sr=1-2&keywords=2Gb+RAM&condition=used
$10 for the cheapest two, $5 under what he suggested.
So that's $105, leaving you with $200 to find anything else you'd need, like possibly a new motherboard along the lines of this:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0055Q88EO/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used
You don't need to know how to edit ini files unless you want to modify the game for even better graphical fidelity. Without editing the ini file you will be playing it on Maximum settings, and with the HD patch should you install it, but that may not be all the game is capable of - only the options that the devs gave to you.
Games will generally include options like Level of Detail for Long Distance Viewing that will be raisable to a certain extent, but you can always push it further than that if you want even better graphics than what the game offers. It is a form of modding and can make the game unstable if done poorly.
Changing the settings to higher than Ultra, however, in most games is a case of openning the game, picking the highest settings, applying, quitting, going into the settings.ini file and changing the numbers next to any fields that have the same names as graphical fields to a number 1 or more higher. If it crashes, the game likely gave you its actual maximum possibility with the options. If not, its either well coded enough to revert back to the highest, or you just boosted your graphics easily.
There are also step by step modifying walkthroughs online for game's ini files. I know Nvidia definitely did one for Skyrim - which was linked here about a year back, though I'd struggle to find it now, and there is one just sitting on its forums for Sins of a Solar Empire.
I've seen fanboys from almost everything threaten violence against some person or other somewhere on the internet. Does that mean that all those franchises/brands/TV shows/W.E fans can just be written off?GunsmithKitten said:
No. Its the Internet. People will be assholes regardless of whether they play on a PC or console.
Neither is, well, anyone I've seen in this thread, unless of course you count telling people that you don't have to pay $2000 to get a gaming computer, and you don't have to upgrade it 3 times a year, and it does look and run better when playing on a PC as being elitism.GunsmithKitten said:
However, a prevalent attitude that can be seen across much of the Internet, and comes through in your posts like this, is one against all PC gamers because they state the advantages of their platform. You rarely see this anywhere else, you don't see SD TV people calling everyone who watches a HD TV a HD TV Elitist who has a superiority complex 'cause of how much they paid for their TV, so why does this happen to PC players?
As has been pointed out before, we didn't even inevent the "Glorious PC gaming Master Race" label. Hell, I think Yahtzee did, and I'm semi-sure he was using it to poke fun at PC players more than anything. Every time I see it used its used as a joke. Nobody takes that crap seriously.
I didn't HAVE to cite auctions. My reaction was "Oh, Gunsmith's still got that going? Ok then. www.google.com : Cheap Phenom II. Oh, Ebay, that's generally a good place for cheap stuff". I do five minute searches for these things, its not like I traversed half the Internet looking for something that could come in at under $300 and finally resorted to Ebay as my last hope. Even in my first attempt I just Googled "Cheap Quad Core Processor" to get the parts.GunsmithKitten said:
One thing I havent seen anyone mention regarding the price point:
Most console gamers own PCs (Or Macs) as well.
PC gamers typically only really need their PCs.
It's something to consider.
Most console gamers own PCs (Or Macs) as well.
PC gamers typically only really need their PCs.
It's something to consider.
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OT As a person coming from ps3 I would have to say true offline gaming
BTW I am not a brony just love how I think that would look
First of all price, my new custom built PC cost nearly 1000 euros you can have all the current consoles for that.
Next is the software hardware compability issues, I imagine it's pretty hard to develope for platform that has so many differencrs in hardware and software.
Which brings us to games and the fact that a lot of them are developed only for consoles.
Next is the software hardware compability issues, I imagine it's pretty hard to develope for platform that has so many differencrs in hardware and software.
Which brings us to games and the fact that a lot of them are developed only for consoles.
One simple point: middle-class PC can do everything consoles can do and more. Such PC will cost from $300 to $400 and will provide entertainment, multimedia, design and many other possibilities. Upgrade costs can be reduced to about $50 per year (change one part once in 2 yeras to previous-generation one). Without upgrades PC can serve up to 5-7 years and then will become obsolete due to compatibility issues. Currently there are lots of free software, which has almost the same features AAA-class soft has, so one should not worry to raise price of the PC with software. Nobody makes you to work or play on PC sitting at the desk: you can connect it to your full-HD 40' TV (or any other display, y'know) and use wireless controllers (I include keyboard and mouse here) to work, surf the Internet, watch movies and play games. Consoles are nothing more but a way to clean out gamer's pocket.
Solvable with manufacturers developing standarts for PC platform. And somehow the games ARE developed for PC somehow, right?
Yes, and somehow same game is developed for ENTIRELY different Xbox and PS3, and is not ported to PC, whic is for about 70% technically equal to Xbox, which is, in fact, a pre-built PC with unusual version of Windows.
prices are my local retail store, you might be able to find the stuff cheaper online.GunsmithKitten said:
ebay isn't all bis nowadays, there is probably more fixed-price offers than auctions nowadays.
your straw manning attempt there doesn't really warrant a reaction, but for arguments sake i'm still going to reply: no, you don't HAVE to tweak inis. that is just if you want to crank up graphical details even beyond of what the ingame settings will allow you to set. and anyone with a basic understanding of reading and writing, which you might have (though i'm seriously starting to get doubts, seeing how peoples arguments are ignored and deliberately misunderstood left and right) will understand that resolution_w=1920 resolution_h=1080 in a textfile means the screen resolution.
how did you come up with this incredibly retarded requirements anyway? no one said a pc will run anything on max. people just said that a pc for the price of a console will offer a vastly better experience. those perimeters were just made up for the sake of fanboyish trolling since you thought it couldn't be done, no?
Come on, be honest here... you're running an experiment to see if goalpost shifting can be harnessed as an alternative energy source, aren't you?Kathinka said:
It's where someone either keeps changing the criteria for acknowledging a point or keeps coming up with (increasingly bullshit) excuses for why examples don't count.Kathinka said:
A console will never cost you $1200 and need a $200 update every six months before promptly becoming entirely obsolete and requiring another $1000.
You almost always know that a game will fucking WORK when you buy it on a console.
You don't have to do extensive research on every fucking piece of your console to ensure that it does what it fucking says it does.
You don't have to worry about your console catching a virus.
When a console breaks you can just grab the memory unit (On the 360, at least) and plug it into a new one, if a PC dies you have to painstakingly backup and reinstall all your games, and even then you sometimes lose progress.
Games are less buggy in general on consoles.
There are many things to love about PC gaming, but there's a reason that consoles exist.
You almost always know that a game will fucking WORK when you buy it on a console.
You don't have to do extensive research on every fucking piece of your console to ensure that it does what it fucking says it does.
You don't have to worry about your console catching a virus.
When a console breaks you can just grab the memory unit (On the 360, at least) and plug it into a new one, if a PC dies you have to painstakingly backup and reinstall all your games, and even then you sometimes lose progress.
Games are less buggy in general on consoles.
There are many things to love about PC gaming, but there's a reason that consoles exist.
For the general population it is just so much easier to use a console: buy, unpack, plug in, insert game, go. PC is more rewarding if you invest but most people just can't be bothered manually upgrading their systems.
Also one point I think a lot of people fail to get is some people like consoles because they grew up using them (e.g. myself). Yes I love playing games on my PC but my ps3 will always have a special place in my heart due to the countless hours of fun it and its predecessor have brought me.
I could bring up countless more points on both sides of the argument but you've all heard them before, I won't bore you.
Also one point I think a lot of people fail to get is some people like consoles because they grew up using them (e.g. myself). Yes I love playing games on my PC but my ps3 will always have a special place in my heart due to the countless hours of fun it and its predecessor have brought me.
I could bring up countless more points on both sides of the argument but you've all heard them before, I won't bore you.
A good PC can last me 4-5 years, and I use it for a lot more than simply playing games. Currently on a Lenovo Ideapad y560, a goddamn laptop and barring heat issues - it plays pretty much any game that the consoles have which has a PC port vice versa. Currently in its 2nd year.
That said for me, the only advantage of using a console is pretty much - console exclusive games.
Consoles used to have advantages such as being a simple plug and play, but these days even consoles are plagued with the need to patch, update or install before you can get started. Console games can be equally as unreliable as PC games these days, though it definitely varies on a case to case basis. Except on the PC, there's probably some kinda junkie way or fan created fix, while on the consoles you're left to twiddle your thumbs until an official fix of some sort pops out. Yes, I'm looking at you Bethesda.
Jimquisition did something on this not too long back and any points I have are mostly covered by him. Consoles used to have their advantages but these days? Not so much.
That said for me, the only advantage of using a console is pretty much - console exclusive games.
Consoles used to have advantages such as being a simple plug and play, but these days even consoles are plagued with the need to patch, update or install before you can get started. Console games can be equally as unreliable as PC games these days, though it definitely varies on a case to case basis. Except on the PC, there's probably some kinda junkie way or fan created fix, while on the consoles you're left to twiddle your thumbs until an official fix of some sort pops out. Yes, I'm looking at you Bethesda.
Jimquisition did something on this not too long back and any points I have are mostly covered by him. Consoles used to have their advantages but these days? Not so much.
At this stage in the generation, clinging to consoles is like backing the dinosaurs after the meteor.
In the next generation, I imagine for a while, the PC will fall behind with user friendliness and price.
However, in a year or two after that, they will be about even, and from there, the PC just gets better.
In the next generation, I imagine for a while, the PC will fall behind with user friendliness and price.
However, in a year or two after that, they will be about even, and from there, the PC just gets better.
Nobody mentions that console gaming is much cheaper so i will. 40 quid for a new game, 28 quid trade in...thats 12 quid for a brand new game and 2.50 to just rent it. Thats a massive difference to PC gaming.
You also don't get many physical copies of games on the pc anymore so it's more difficult to lend your mates a game for the weekend.
These are considerable advantages to console gamers, although the pc gamers probably don't have any friends to lend games to
You also don't get many physical copies of games on the pc anymore so it's more difficult to lend your mates a game for the weekend.
These are considerable advantages to console gamers, although the pc gamers probably don't have any friends to lend games to
But if you're working from a budget, then what's the benefit of using a PC? If you can't spend the money to get a rig strong enough to work better than a console and go without upgrades or make use of mods, then why do you want a gaming PC in the first place?TheKasp said: