So what was wrong with the old Dante?

[Hyper-space]

They both look terrible, one looks like an emo ponce and the other like a character from a fanfic.

OT: So I don't really see why anyone would have a problem with Douche Beta. He's been upgraded to follow douchey trends. When he was first made, it was popular to have trench coats and dyed hair. Now it's popular to wear skinny jeans, muss up your hair, and generally slap on as much eye liner as you can physically get away with. So prepare to gobble it up, he's upgraded his douchebaggery to the modern era 8D

Damn, Ninja'd.

Dante has always had the clothing sensibilities of a whiny, self-absorbed, emo-looking, scenester 13-year old Naruto fanfic writer.

 

[NeutralDrow]

Damn, Ninja'd.

Dante has always had the clothing sensibilities of a whiny, self-absorbed, emo-looking, scenester 13-year old Naruto fanfic writer.

Leather slacks, buckled vest (outside the third game, when he went shirtless), red trenchcoat, and fingerless gloves are emo? They always struck me as more "raver" than anything. And the fact that he acts like a thrill-seeker who's having a blast hunting demons rather than whining and self-absorbed (or bored, wherever that came from)...

Vergil acts mildly emo, though I'm sure he'd prefer the description "stoic."

 

[NickFury90]

I think we should start a petition to ban the word "emo", along with "hipster". People on the internet have no idea what they mean and they just use them as baseless insults now.

 

[Pearwood]

Also anyone who says Nero or his royal highness emo king super douche 1st is cooler than Dante will be hunted down and killed for the good of the human race.

They were pretty much the same character except Nero had a shiny hand. And I don't recall any character in the DMC series called "his royal highness emo king super douche" but I'm fairly sure that name should have some punctuation and capitalisation. On the assumption you meant Vergil, hell yeah Vergil is cooler than Dante. That last fight with Vergil is the sole reason DMC 3 wasn't a huge let down after that fucking boring Arkham fight.

I'm surprised so many people give a shit what he looks like to be honest. He's always been a whiny emo twat especially in DMC 3 which is my second favourite in the series after 4. It's all about the gameplay in DMC games, the story can go fuck itself.

We obviously differ on what classifies as a "good game" if you think DMC2 was anything over complete mediocrity.

Actually the reason Capcom have been setting the last 2 games and the anime before DMC 2 is so they don't have to acknowlege it.

 

[Smooth Operator]

Well these guys sure have character butchery down, it's as if those spikey haired emo kids arent enough in Japan, they now haveto import some?

 

[Hyper-space]

Damn, Ninja'd.

Dante has always had the clothing sensibilities of a whiny, self-absorbed, emo-looking, scenester 13-year old Naruto fanfic writer.

Leather slacks, buckled vest (outside the third game, when he went shirtless), red trenchcoat, and fingerless gloves are emo? They always struck me as more "raver" than anything.

Well, i cannot comment on his personality (i have only seen one cut-scene of him, it was terribad), but his outfit is what an emo-scenester would THINK looks badass. Even his posture is a-typical, i mean, how many times have we seen someone rest his blade on his shoulder, and not in a conventional way (laying it flat on your shoulder) but with the blade itself cutting into him?.

 

[Pearwood]

I'd also like to point out that the anti-new DMC people are cherry picking screenshots pretty badly.

If you look at a screenshot besides that jail picture one that all the whiners keep on posting it doesn't look too bad at all.

 

[Lord Devius]

Leather slacks, buckled vest (outside the third game, when he went shirtless), red trenchcoat, and fingerless gloves are emo? They always struck me as more "raver" than anything. And the fact that he acts like a thrill-seeker who's having a blast hunting demons rather than whining and self-absorbed (or bored, wherever that came from)...

Having only played a bit of DMC3 myself, I'd have to agree with the "raver" label for his style. Minor bit of silly evidence to back this up as the intended look: the fact that his aerial sword combo for Rebellion is called Aerial Rave (in DMC3).

Personally, the entire thing just makes me laugh, since it is a prequel, and as people have mentioned before, this could just be before his "demon puberty" or something to that effect. Also...

His new look isn't emo at all. He looks like the Japanese version of Sid Vicious. All the way down to the Union Jack on his sleeve. 70s punk is the perfect look to go along with Dante's attitude.

Unfortunately, that old punk look has been bastardized by emo kids during this whole rehash of late 70s early 80s fashion trends. Albeit completely missing the attitude that used to go along with it. So it can be understood when people scream "OMFGEMODANTEISGHEYFIXITFIXIT!!1!".

If they were really thinking emo when they redesigned him he would be wearing makeup, and probably be crying in that mug shot, along with wearing generally garish pinks and other effeminate colors. His old limp, white hair is actually more akin to emo if anything. That was always the vibe I got from him whenever I saw a picture and didn't think about the personality that went along with the character. The first time I saw that mug shot of him I thought "Hey, he finally has the 'Devil may care' look to go along with the attitude". (no pun intended)

This post just about sums up my thoughts. Thank you for that.

 

[Flailing Escapist]

OG Dante will always be the best. Haha that picture makes me think of one of the guys from the whitest kids you know

 

[Flailing Escapist]

Nothing, and as this new game progresses you're likely to end up seeing a more recognisable Dante towards the end.

It's a prequel.

No, its not. It's a reboot

 

[CrazyCapnMorgan]

Leather slacks, buckled vest (outside the third game, when he went shirtless), red trenchcoat, and fingerless gloves are emo? They always struck me as more "raver" than anything. And the fact that he acts like a thrill-seeker who's having a blast hunting demons rather than whining and self-absorbed (or bored, wherever that came from)...

Vergil acts mildly emo, though I'm sure he'd prefer the description "stoic."

I would definitely count Vergil as stoic. That pretty much sums up his entire personality and character, besides his hunger for power. Which, of course, is the exact opposite to Dante's. This rivalry between the two obviously stems from something outside of Vergil's quest for power at any cost, but is intertwined in some form with Eva's death as Vergil mentioned in DMC3 after him defeating Dante: "Might controls everything. Without it, you cannot protect anything." As it was pointed out earlier in the thread, this is the youngest that we've seen Dante up until the screenshots of DMC5 - which brings up an interesting issue.

Has anyone ever seen Sparda in his human form(s)? Or Eva, at all? We get a peek of her in DMC1 and Trish was modeled after Eva's image. If I was to get a glimpse at those pictures and see them before they had Dante and Vergil, I'd likely see a resemblance between those pictures and the Dante from DMC5, IF this game were to be true to its predecessors. Also, as evidenced from the cutscene in DMC1 where Dante battles and defeats Nelo Angelo for the last time, the player picks up on the fact that Dante and Vergil were close brothers at one point. If this is, indeed, a prequel to the prequel, I would think an explanation as to why this bond was irrevocably shattered would be included in this game, among other things.

I haven't read any of the manga at all, but from what I've read on the thread it doesn't seem any of the things I've mentioned were explained in great detail.

 

[NeutralDrow]

I think we should start a petition to ban the word "emo", along with "hipster". People on the internet have no idea what they mean and they just use them as baseless insults now.

I'd sign that in a heartbeat.

Leather slacks, buckled vest (outside the third game, when he went shirtless), red trenchcoat, and fingerless gloves are emo? They always struck me as more "raver" than anything.

Well, i cannot comment on his personality (i have only seen one cut-scene of him, it was terribad), but his outfit is what an emo-scenester would THINK looks badass. Even his posture is a-typical, i mean, how many times have we seen someone rest his blade on his shoulder, and not in a conventional way (laying it flat on your shoulder) but with the blade itself cutting into him?.

I think you're thinking of goths. Even setting aside the insulting stereotype, common emo fashion includes more tight-fitting clothes and often (though not always) more black. Goths are a lot more varied, and they're the ones with the stereotypical trenchcoat fascination.

And <url=http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/devil-may-cry.jpg>his posture seems about the most practical way (setting aside the inconvenience of the pose itself) to do that, if you ask me. By virtue of the fact that it's resting on his coat, it probably weighs around 3-4 lbs. (<url=http://www.thearma.org/essays/2HGS.html>standard weight for a medieval bastard sword), and its cutting edge is facing away from his neck. Also, he seems to be resting it on the oversized guard, not the blade.

And even if he were resting it blade-first and while shirtless, I doubt the man who can take five scythe blades to the chest and legs and be none the worse for wear, the man who's once-a-game running gag is getting impaled, would even notice it.

EDIT: Actually, he better get impaled in the new game. I doubt anything will top DMC4, when his impalement means getting crucified on a large statue of his father, but it's important to keep up tradition.

Nothing, and as this new game progresses you're likely to end up seeing a more recognisable Dante towards the end.

It's a prequel.

No, its not. It's a reboot

<url=http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/112/1129209p1.html>It's a prequel.

Has anyone ever seen Sparda in his human form(s)?

Actually, <url=http://media-worlds.theotaku.com/10908-467075-20090307200516.jpg>I can see the resemblance.

 

[CrazyCapnMorgan]

Has anyone ever seen Sparda in his human form(s)?

Actually, <url=http://media-worlds.theotaku.com/10908-467075-20090307200516.jpg>I can see the resemblance.

See, I've seen that before. Both in DMC1 when you can play as Sparda and in MvC3's alternate Sparda outfit. Probably the question I should've asked was, is there any version of human form Sparda that is as young as possible? I can see the resemblance of Sparda in both Dante and Vergil in all of the other DMC games without question, but five is taking it to a point where I have difficulty believing that can be Dante's younger look. Especially not knowing Sparda's earliest human form(s). I'm trying to give five the benefit of the doubt, but at this stage in its development - that's all I'm going to give it.

 

[Austin Howe]

SILVER HAIR

 

[Zaik]

I don't like it... I asked why he has black hair and my friend replied because its when he was younger... I remember reading the manga and seeing him as a little kid with his brother Virgil... He had white hair... so let me get this straight, he was born old enough to have white hair, then grew up to the point of having black hair, then grew up to white hair? or is it that he shrunk from a teenager with black hair to a little kid with white hair who THEN proceeded to grow to a guy with white hair or what the fuck? Hell even if it is when he was younger, his appearence hasn't grown since he was like what, 25, tops? why should his hair change... Other then that I don't like how his face, it looks to thin and feminine, combined with his emo angsty expression I am rather blah towards him... the way his hair is cut and just generally grows out in the picture is rather offsetting for me, the hair line itself, while closer to my own, just doesn't look attractive to me... The shoulders on his new vest are rather... weird as well... Considering he was voted 'sexist video game character' for a few years in a row I'm surprised they would make him undergo so many changes to purposely try and make him, 'most unlikeable emo whiney kid who bitches entirely to much' of the year... But I guess being dislike is whats considered popular this year, I mean just look at all the views Justin Beiber has on his youtube videos from people who disliked it, and came to the page knowing full well they would dislike it.. I blame the internet...

Hair dye exists. Assuming he was trying to hide or be hidden for some reason, hair color change is pretty much expected.

also on topic: http://kotaku.com/5644446/shirtless-and-suspendered-the-dante-that-almost-was

There was apparently nothing wrong with it, Capcom just wanted them to make him look completely different for whatever reason.

 

[ChromeAlchemist]

In other words, we loved him because he was the fucking epitome of Japanese design, flamboyant as hell, and a goddamn psychopath.

...does mocking demons count as psychopathy, now? It doesn't really sound like it applies to a guy with as many soft spots as Dante.

Basically, Capcom didn't get it. A shame too.

"Svensson later admitted Capcom knew there would be fan backlash for the design change but said it was all part of the plan.

"I will argue that any changes will bring about a knee-jerk reaction from fans," he said. "We know that; we knew that going into it. To be fair, I think some of the strategy here was to create that discussion and dialogue, and I think it drastically raises the visibility of the title versus if we had just done another Dante."

- <url=http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/112/1129209p1.html>source

Do you think they're backpedaling, then?

I do. If there was no word of them changing Dante for a Western audience, I'd have far less of a problem with this Dante. I personally don't think the west really wants that kind of Dante. Too many conflicting reports coming from them.