So what's tech support like?

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LetalisK

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I received a job offer to be a Level 2 tech support at a contractor call center for Google and I was just wondering if anyone had any insight into what that's like, even if it's just being tech support in general. I have zero customer service or tech support experience, but I guess they liked my other credentials well enough.

Sad thing being I probably won't even accept the position in favor of a job that pays $2.50 an hour less and probably fewer hours per week, but it's a job related to my chosen career field and something I think I'll be better at and enjoy more. I'm just curious what I might be missing.

Hell, anyone been a Level 1 and later a Level 2 tech support? How different were they?
 

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Is it tech support for customers or employees?

EDIT: Depends on where you work. Most of the time, Tech 1 gathers data on problems reported and answers phone calls, and Tier 2 actually fixes stuff.

At the last place I worked, Tier 1 answered phones, collected data, and performed troubleshooting. Our responsibility only ended when it got to the big stuff.
 

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I did customer-facing tech support for an ISP about a year ago, and it's surprisingly ok. For us, targets were quite a big thing (short call time, resolving issues with as few calls as possible), but as long as you were actually decent at the job they were reasonably flexible - for example I was always way over target on average call time, but because I was decent at dealing with angry people and patient with the non tech-savvy, I kind of got a free pass. [Edit: and at level 2 support I'd imagine that such targets are less of a big deal]

By nature I'm one of those people that actually hates talking on the phone and I'm pretty introverted, so you'd think I'd be dreadful at callcentre work, but you get used to it so fast that it becomes second nature, and actually quite fun.
And yeah, you occasionally get people kicking off at you, but it really doesn't bite very deep after the first few, especially when the person next to you is pissing themselves laughing listening to your end of the conversation.

And I hear that employee-facing is much more cushy as well!
 

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OneCatch said:
And I hear that employee-facing is much more cushy as well!
Depends.

I supported corporate satellite dish systems, both customers and employees. And one of the big problems we had was that our field technician either couldn't or wouldn't, learn how to troubleshoot on their own. We kind of shot ourselves in the foot - Our office got a reputation for going the extra mile for troubleshooting, so our field techs compensated by being as lazy and incompetent as they could possibly be.

They'd show up late, give up on troubleshooting almost immediately, call us, and then when the call quality got poor (They don't put dish systems in places with good cell phone service) they'd hang up and quit for the day, blaming poor comms. They were notorious liars as well - We had over 10 systems go offline a few weeks after they were set up. We found out later that the field technician who had installed them hadn't actually crimped any of the cables, because he was afraid he'd break them with his monstrous strength (He weighted, at best, 130 pounds).

Uncrimped cables are almost impossible to troubleshoot when the guy who's there flat out lies about checking things out.

We had 3 cases of dish troubleshooting where after 3 hours of working with the field tech, a customer would walk up, quite angry, and point out that the dish had been destroyed by mortar hits. Let that one sink in for a minutes. Twice we had systems get knocked out my lightning strikes. We'd troubleshoot these issues for hours before the field tech would casually mention the lightning to us.

The customers weren't much better. We supported their filtering (Web block devices), but the profiles where dictated by the company. I got called some pretty rude things in emails when people found blocks, to include the following.

Fascist
Liberal
Conservative
Communist
Racist
Sexist
Terrorist supporter
Scum
Muslim lover
Atheist
Asshole

We'd get constant complaints about internet speeds, which required at least 2 hours of research, regardless if we knew the issue or not. Without fail, 90% of the complaints were caused by Skype usage and Apple traffic. Something like 80% of traffic was from iTunes, despite what anyone said.

Customer support and in house support can be tough.
 

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AccursedTheory said:
OneCatch said:
And I hear that employee-facing is much more cushy as well!
Depends. Customer support and in house support can be tough.
Yeah, I can't argue with that. There used to be a rivalry between customer facing tech and client facing tech where I worked, so it's probably rubbed off on me a bit!

And those stories are bringing back memories. We used contracted engineers and they were mostly absolute crap as well. You'd get the odd one who really went above and beyond the call of duty, but for each of those there would be an incompetent one, and a few regional controllers who didn't give a shit.

The worst horror story I heard was one of them showed up to do some work at a 70 year old woman's house. We'd told them that she was disabled, given all kinds of info about her medical conditions and with the help of a neighbour and remote diagnostics located the problem on the pole itself so that they'd be able to make the repair without causing her too much distress, had arranged a phonecall so that the woman could take her time coming down the drive to let them it, etc. Everything we could to make it as painless as possible.
We get a call an hour later from the woman. Engineer showed up an hour early, then got grumpy with her when she wouldn't go down to the bottom of the garden to show him where the problem was and go up a stepladder and hold a cable in the air for him while he did the repair. The guy got fired in the end, but we couldn't believe someone would do that.

They used to routinely lie about going to appointments as well, saying that they'd gone and the customer wasn't there, when they'd actually not even got out of the van. Which was really crap because the customer got charged if they aren't in when the engineer shows up. We actually had to start demanding proof off the engineer because it was such a regular occurrence.

And we had routers that rather impossibly seemed to attract lightning. We had 3 or 4 types of router, and literally every time we had a replacement because of a lightning strike on a house or nearby, it was just one types. Every goddam time.

We used to get shouted at by customers from time to time, but I don't think my list of insults is as diverse as yours!
I did get one guy accusing me of being racist because we sent him the wrong router (he'd formulated this paranoid theory that we wouldn't send him a wireless router because he was black and we thought he wouldn't be able to tell the difference). And someone once called me autistic because I read his router ID wrong the first time.

The sweary ones were the best though, because company policy was that if someone carried on swearing at you after 2 warnings you could hang up on them. So people would think that they were being really intimidating and assertive by screaming that I was a "fucking ****" down the phone, whereas the reality was that I was sat there grinning, waiting for one more instance after the last warning so that I could hang up.

And Letalisk, don't worry too much about these posts - we're obviously talking about the armpit end of the job here because it's where the more interesting stories reside. It's not like that all the time, the majority of people are fine!
 

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Customer Facing for the games industry. Both as a sub contractor (Temping at a call center place where console support was contracted) and as in house for one of the industry heavy hitters.

I can only say shit about the industry, but you will encounter different kinds of people. They don't matter so much as your metrics. For the contracted shit it will be all about how many you do. That's kind of an industry standard, though my current in house job is focused on satisfaction and resolution above all else.

It will be routine. If you are customer facing, you will deal with pissed off people. You will get contacts where you bend over backwards for someone and they will shrug off your hard work like it was fucking nothing.

Do not do it on contract. If they say they will hire you, they are lying.
 

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I know that you will have fun talking about "duh! You think?" stories with your colleagues.
If you can laugh it off it is quite fun.
If you let people being pissed off and confused rattle you, it will not be for you
 

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OneCatch said:
And Letalisk, don't worry too much about these posts - we're obviously talking about the armpit end of the job here because it's where the more interesting stories reside. It's not like that all the time, the majority of people are fine!
Oh, I'm not worried. I don't have problems with angry people or anything, especially considering my chosen career field of law enforcement is going to involve probably nothing but angry people. Besides, I don't think I'm taking the job anyway. I think I'm actually going to try to get my wife an interview to take my place instead, particularly considering customer service/tech support is all she's ever done. XD

Though I have to admit, the whole "metrics" thing is kind of off putting. The second interviewer, who would have been my supervisor, talked about how everyone struggles at one of the metrics, but I always got the impression from people in the business that call center metrics were often not realistic.
 

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Depends on a few things. One of the most important is who you are support for. If its for customers I hope you have the patience of a saint. Usually by the time people are calling support they are already pissed off. Then you have a 50/50 chance they are also clueless when it comes to anything tech related. I would pass that up. If its support for employees that is much better. They usually deal with you face to face meaning they tend to be nicer. Its also easier to fix the problem since you are usually right there in front of it. I have heard google is a great company to work for so that is a plus. One thing though that I have come to realize is that it does not matter what you are doing if the people you work with are shitty the job will suck and if the people you work with are cool it will make your job great. I would pick digging ditches with nice people over an air conditioned office with assholes every day of the week.
 

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It depends on what kind of support.

I used to do tech support for Verizon DSL and later FIOS.

It was mind-numbing, boring, and the management sucked. I felt like I was wasting away there, like if I didn't get out I'd never, ever advance my career. 95% of the calls were the same damn thing over and over again, there was nothing new to learn. Unfortunately it left me so dead by the end of the day that I couldn't put much effort into job searching.

Getting fired from there was the best thing that ever happened to me.

Now however, when you get right down to it, I'm still doing tech support. The big difference is I'm supporting enterprise-grade data security software and hardware. We cover a wide range of security needs and there's always something new, something challenging, something different to learn. Oh, and the management doesn't suck [small]as much[/small]. Also the pay is way, way better. ;)

[small]It's scary how many IT people there are out there who don't have a fuckin clue, either...[/small]
 

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LetalisK said:
OneCatch said:
And Letalisk, don't worry too much about these posts - we're obviously talking about the armpit end of the job here because it's where the more interesting stories reside. It's not like that all the time, the majority of people are fine!
Oh, I'm not worried. I don't have problems with angry people or anything, especially considering my chosen career field of law enforcement is going to involve probably nothing but angry people. Besides, I don't think I'm taking the job anyway. I think I'm actually going to try to get my wife an interview to take my place instead, particularly considering customer service/tech support is all she's ever done. XD

Though I have to admit, the whole "metrics" thing is kind of off putting. The second interviewer, who would have been my supervisor, talked about how everyone struggles at one of the metrics, but I always got the impression from people in the business that call center metrics were often not realistic.
Tbh they weren't that unreasonable with us. For us it was supposed to be 7 min calltime, 2 minute gap between calls for recording the issue. But there was a lot of flexibility. I never got below about 13/14 mins total time in 7 months, and I had a habit of taking on 40min calls explaining how to install an anti virus to a confused old person or something.
But because I was competent and clearly took the job seriously I was basically left alone, despite the fact that on paper I should have been reprimanded repeatedly for poor performance. I know our team leaders especially used to get a lot of grief about metric adherence from the managerial types, but disregarded them when it conflicted with our/their jobs.
I always suspected they include the metrics partly as a means of getting rid of people who openly take the piss (which you do get in callcentre jobs - me and my friends used to take bets on how long people with shitty attitudes would last), and basically ignore them with anyone halfway competent.
 

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Oh your doing it via phones.... good luck with that :| Your going to have to get used to using the word 'picnic' which means 'problem in chair, not in computer' basically you will tell people do x, y and z they go and do a, b and c then blame you when it doesn't work for them.

People get very angry when computers or services on computers don't work, expect abuse!
 

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Phone support is a hell that can only be described as QA Testing for Games bad. Its not fun, its not engaging or thought provoking... depending on who you work for it can be downright stress-coma inducing. Except without the benefit of being unconscious. I worked for a company that subbed for DELL, and let me tell you that out of the big PC manufacturers DELL has the better phone support. I even had the cushier job of doing corporate and small business warranty support. I still detested it and after 15 years of being on the frontlines of PC Tech support it broke my will enough to where I switched careers. I don't go into detail, not because of an NDA, but because I have closed that chapter of my life forever. I won't even do minor support for people I know because it still gives me nervous tics.
I will say this, if you end up doing any form of end-user support they will harass you, berate you, blame you and denigrate you. If you've ever seen the Customer Support desk at a Wal-Mart and heard someone yelling at the person running that particular counter, you've an idea of the majority of customers who call in. Only this time they're not face to face with you and not in public so they can be near-Internet level jackasses.
Not all calls are like that, and most really are benign but the fact is the ones who will jack your stress-levels up are the ones you will remember and it will wear you down. End-user support is hell.
But don't let me scare you off, it can be rewarding when you actually help someone and make them say "Wow!" I had a lot of those calls and they were the only reason I stuck with the job as long as I did. The pay rate wasn't near enough to what I'd demand now if I were offered that job again though...

CAPTCHA: big kahuna burger
Inglip you bastard, you made me fucking hungry...
 

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havent done any such work so no first hand experience, but from a costumers perspective ive seen some REALLY bad costumer support services. i remmeber when my friends internet was gone, and he was 13 or so at that time, so i decided to make the call for him. he had a router with multiple LED lights meant to signal various things (like if its got power, if it conencts to comptuer, if it conencts to ISP ect). after troubleshooting the costumer service have claimed that we "Broke the light bulb" and thus prevented internet acess. because its the LED that makes internet acessible right?
So of course we asked a technician to come in. surprise, he said the exact same thing -.-.
After i had to give ISP technician a lesson of how internet works, he eventually agreed to change the router free of charge and the internet hasnt droppped since as far as i know.
 

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I did some tech support at a college for my work experience. It was definitely... interesting? I swear the teachers were just trolling us whenever they phoned up saying stuff wasn't working, insisting it was turned on making us get up only to find when we get there that everything is fine and these people needed to learn the difference between "off" and "the thing just went into sleep mode".

My other favourite job was responding to someone finding the last guy to use a computer had played the fun game of "how hard can I push a button?" Seriously, how do you break the power button without deliberately trying?
 
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LetalisK said:
I received a job offer to be a Level 2 tech support at a contractor call center for Google and I was just wondering if anyone had any insight into what that's like, even if it's just being tech support in general. I have zero customer service or tech support experience, but I guess they liked my other credentials well enough.

Sad thing being I probably won't even accept the position in favor of a job that pays $2.50 an hour less and probably fewer hours per week, but it's a job related to my chosen career field and something I think I'll be better at and enjoy more. I'm just curious what I might be missing.

Hell, anyone been a Level 1 and later a Level 2 tech support? How different were they?
I was tech support for BT Openworld back when it was still dial-up and the gradual introduction and takeup of ADSL. It was an experience and then some. I could write a lot of anecdotes but I'm not sure how helpful they'll be, so I'll bullet point.

Cons:
- Can be quite stressful, particularly when you have stringent targets and angry customers
- Call centres have an extremely high staff turnover
- You are often required to stick to a script, process or explanation even though it's plainly not appropriate or efficient
- May not apply to all companies, but mine monitored us practically on a per-second basis. That much scrutiny isn't fun
- You only ever hear from unhappy customers who don't appreciate your support boundaries or that you can't make drastic changes to service provision or contract terms
- You'll frequently be unable to help customers whose fault lies outside of your remit, and have trouble explaining that to them

Pros:
- It can be very satisfying
- You will learn to be highly adaptable, able to visualise what customers are seeing, gain great interpersonal skills and superlative logic and problem solving skills

To be honest, there's not a great deal of difference between 1st and 2nd line support. The role is the same, the difference is in the delivery. In that regard I much prefer 2nd line. 1st line you get angry customers, one after the other without relent, with call targets. With 2nd line, you have more time and freedom, access to previous notes from the 1st agent and generally customers are happy to have your help, rather than the anger directed when they have to seek out 1st line support. Obviously the faults are tougher to diagnose and fix, or they wouldn't have made it as far as 2nd line, but that is fine too.

A handful of anecdotes from my years wearing a headset:

- I had a Russian man call who, after several minutes of both of us explaining that we didn't speak the other language, I resolved to try with his extremely limited English. When I asked him if he could click something with his mouse, he said "Mouse? No, used to be mouse. Cat. Now mouse gone". I had to disconnect his call because of how hard I was laughing.
- The text-type services for helping deaf customers is the biggest pain in the bum and quite surreal.
- Fixing a computer with the caller in a different room to the machine, or relaying orders to someone upstairs is also an interesting experience.
- Chatting with colleagues, sometimes about the customers, sometimes helping with each others faults, whilst we're both on calls with cunning use of the mute button. You'll be surprised how easily you can do this.
- Playing multiplayer Unreal Tournament on the network with the whole team, with each of us taking calls during the game.

Good luck if you do take it. It's okay for a couple of years at least, more on the rare chance they turn out to be a good company that cares about employees (unlikely, but you never know).
 

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KingsGambit said:
- Playing multiplayer Unreal Tournament on the network with the whole team, with each of us taking calls during the game.
Dafuq? I'd figure your supervisor and/or manager would lose their shit over something like that.
 
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LetalisK said:
KingsGambit said:
- Playing multiplayer Unreal Tournament on the network with the whole team, with each of us taking calls during the game.
Dafuq? I'd figure your supervisor and/or manager would lose their shit over something like that.
Long time ago and though I don't remember the specifics, they either weren't around or took part. It was a lot of fun actually and problems still got fixed. I remember the matches particularly for the great names everyone used. "You were killed by Default" and "You killed God" among them :) I assure you we were very good tech support, but every once in a while some steam needed letting off. Also, how often can you put together a significantly sized group in one room with enough networked PCs? :)