Some Russians Think Chelyabinsk Meteor Wasn't A Meteor

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Some Russians Think Chelyabinsk Meteor Wasn't A Meteor


Half the readers of a Moscow paper believe that the meteorite was, say, a UFO or message from God.

A Moscow newspaper has revealed a poll that says around half its readers believe last week's exploding Chelyabinsk meteor [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/122150-Hundreds-Injured-In-Russia-Meteorite-Near-Miss] wasn't actually a meteor at all. The paper in question is Noviye Izvestia, which the Christian Science Monitor reports is a "fairly staid Moscow daily." Half of Russians polled thought that the meteor was probably a secret U.S. weapon test, an alien spacecraft, a ballistic missile, a message from God, or even "an extraterrestrial Trojan horse carrying a deadly space virus to wipe out the Earth." Russians are reluctant to trust the official story because during the Soviet era there were centrally controlled campaigns of misinformation about disasters and events surrounding national security, thus many turn to rumor and speculation for their version of events.

"Our people remember the Soviet past, when news of disasters was concealed or lied about," Alexei Grazhdankin, deputy director of an independent Moscow polling agency told Christian Science Monitor. "We have no scientific polls on what people think about the Chelyabinsk event last week, but it's safe to assume the majority of Russians accept that it was a meteorite. However, our past surveys show that up to 25 percent of Russians do believe in UFOs. A lot of our people just prefer not to accept the safe explanations they were taught at school. Even when all necessary information is available, they don't want to believe it."

Source: Christian Science Monitor [http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2013/0222/Was-Chelyabinsk-meteor-actually-a-meteor-Many-Russians-don-t-think-so]


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TheSYLOH

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Sigh....
Why would the US government want a meteor launcher when they got nuclear ballistic missiles.
Also, if the US gov up and decided to nuke Russia for no reason, Why pick the middle of fucking nowhere, Siberia.
 

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TheSYLOH said:
Sigh....
Why would the US government want a meteor launcher when they got nuclear ballistic missiles.
Also, if the US gov up and decided to nuke Russia for no reason, Why pick the middle of fucking nowhere, Siberia.
You'd be surprised what kind of important goodies governments like to hide in "the middle of fucking nowhere".

OT: I find it troubling that lately it seems alot of old cold war paranoia has started floating around. I rather thought we were past this; aspiring Bond villain President Putin withstanding that is.
 

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If it had landed in the South, they would have said it was God showing his disapproval for Gay marriage, Gun control and Obama care.
 

Sigmund Av Volsung

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Most eastern European countries' people believe in conspiracy theories & such UFO-type-things.

I know because I lived there during my childhood(EE, not Chelyabinsk)
 

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KeyMaster45 said:
You'd be surprised what kind of important goodies governments like to hide in "the middle of fucking nowhere".

OT: I find it troubling that lately it seems alot of old cold war paranoia has started floating around. I rather thought we were past this; aspiring Bond villain President Putin withstanding that is.
I blame videogames!
 

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Maybe it was a giant ball of garbage launched in to space only to return years later and wreak havoc? I saw a documentary about it called 'Futurama'. If it was a weapons test by the USA, why would they test a weapon by firing it at a country that, historically speaking, would love to retaliate with their nuclear doom arsenal? There is lots of ocean/desert/France to test weapons in without causing WW3.
 

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But on the other hand, half the Moscow population is probably shitfaced drunks who spend the whole day watching reruns of that awful program where camera teams will follow emergency services around and play completely uncensored weekly best-ofs of car crashes and suicides in national television.
 

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And if this would have happened in the USA you would instead have "Some Americans think Meteor wasn't a meteor" and claim that it was the Russians bombarding them.

USA and Russian Federation is not so much different from one another. Except one is more Crazy Awesome.
 

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TheSYLOH said:
Sigh....
Why would the US government want a meteor launcher when they got nuclear ballistic missiles.
Also, if the US gov up and decided to nuke Russia for no reason, Why pick the middle of fucking nowhere, Siberia.

Cause we need to remind them Ruskies who's boss! Also, dropping shit from space can create explosions bigger than nukes with less radioactive fallout (heavy things like Uranium rods). Not that we're planning on wiping out all the other nations on Earth and creating a 'Murican utopia or anything
 

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Considering the number of Americans who'd have believed it had been the UN, the New World Order, or something supernatural, I can't say it suprises me. This is about as stupid as claiming black helicopters perform weapon tests on american farmlands, causing the cattle mutilations. You typically don't test your weapon where the enemy can see it better than you can. You only deploy it when you know it works, and then generally only if you're at war.


I guess the captcha-generator is a conspiracy-believer too: 'first contact'.
 

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We in the US got the message and the message said "Throw money into space rock detection equipment". Good enough for $500 million in NASA funding, so in a sense space just threw NASA a huge payday.
 

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So, half of Russia (or at least half of the people polled) have the same belief as /x/ regarding the meteor?

It is amazing how some people think that SOMEONE has to be blame for every single event.
 

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Honestly, I'd distrust the Russian government's official message if I were them, so I can't really blame them.
 

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Some Russian people believe that Stalin is frozed in a block of ice to preserve him for the future, why does people believing in a conspiracy count as news?
 

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I find this interesting, actually. Governments seem to forget their people's trust is a finite resource. Break that trust badly enough, and it becomes "the boy who cried wolf" or more like "the government who cried meteor". They lied before, why would they not lie again?

Here we have a country where government deception, it seems, has become inbedded into the national conciousness, to the point where it isn't crazy to think up conspiracies, it's wise.
 

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It's just a combination of a loooooong series of unjust governments grossly abusing their power, ignorance, and vodka.
 

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TheSYLOH said:
Sigh....
Why would the US government want a meteor launcher when they got nuclear ballistic missiles.
Also, if the US gov up and decided to nuke Russia for no reason, Why pick the middle of fucking nowhere, Siberia.
They would shoot a missile and WWIII would break out.
A meteor falling is just an act of nature, no conflict over that.
Why in Siberia? Because it was a test and not an actual attack.

Maybe it's really the Transformers?

 

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I've been preparing for when the zombies crawl out of the frakking woodwork. It was obviously a zombie meteorite.

First Chelyabinsk, tomorrow YOUR HOME TOWN

prepare
 

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TheSYLOH said:
Sigh....
Why would the US government want a meteor launcher when they got nuclear ballistic missiles.
I don't know, but I love the idea of the Americans building a giant catapult and hurling rocks at Russia.
 

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HardkorSB said:
TheSYLOH said:
Sigh....
Why would the US government want a meteor launcher when they got nuclear ballistic missiles.
Also, if the US gov up and decided to nuke Russia for no reason, Why pick the middle of fucking nowhere, Siberia.
They would shoot a missile and WWIII would break out.
A meteor falling is just an act of nature, no conflict over that.
Why in Siberia? Because it was a test and not an actual attack.

Maybe it's really the Transformers?

I honestly hope it is transformers. That would make the whole 'God' analogy look stupid. I'm agnostic but it still makes me feel embarrassed when people call glowing rocks from the sky 'God symbols'. Though if it is the US, I hope they don't start another war.

Though I can imagine the US going "*Pretends to slip and accidentally pressing nuclear launch button* Oh, woe is me! What has happened?! I accidentally pressed this button o' death!"
 

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thiosk said:
It was obviously a zombie meteorite.
That was Tunguska silly


OT:
Not any diffent then if this happened in the US
The is more stupidity then left over Cold war paranoia.
 

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Darn, they're catching onto us. Still, they'll never suspect it was us! The Canadia-

Oh. They know everything. [http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/canadian-spy-jeffrey-delisle-gets-20-years-for-selling-secrets-to-russia/article8390425/]

I forgot.
 

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Not surprising really..

While many people might be aware of what the word meteor is referring to, seeing giant fireballs falling from the sky still isn't exactly an every day occurrence. Still stupid, but with people in general believing the things to do, once in a lifetime large exploding sky rocks are fairly likely to cause nonsense responses.
 

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KeyMaster45 said:
OT: I find it troubling that lately it seems alot of old cold war paranoia has started floating around. I rather thought we were past this; aspiring Bond villain President Putin withstanding that is.
I got the strong impression that this is more of a cultural artifact resulting from decades of state controlled information flow rather than real cold war paranoia.

JonB said:
Russians are reluctant to trust the official story because during the Soviet era there were centrally controlled campaigns of misinformation about disasters and events surrounding national security, thus many turn to rumor and speculation for their version of events.

"Our people remember the Soviet past, when news of disasters was concealed or lied about," Alexei Grazhdankin, deputy director of an independent Moscow polling agency told Christian Science Monitor.
Distrust like this can take more than 50 years to die out. It's a generational thing. Basically the generation that lived during such times has to die out before it completely disappears.

The same sort of thing is happening in America with the REAL racists/homophobes/religious bigots etc from yesteryear slowly dying off and leaving behind younger generations that basically don't have the same hang ups. Or have them as intensely, anyway. We don't have the KKK running the South with tens of millions of members now like they did in the 1920's to 1960's, for example.
 

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Froggy Slayer said:
So, half of Russia (or at least half of the people polled) have the same belief as /x/ regarding the meteor?

It is amazing how some people think that SOMEONE has to be blame for every single event.
It makes a lot of people sleep more easily at night if bad things can be blamed on someone. It is weirdly comforting to assume some evil person our group out there is plotting against you than to accept that the vast majority of people don't really gives much of a shit about you and the universe doesn't care if you live or die. People like to feel important and I think a lot of conspiracy theories focus on huge plots and such because it makes the conspiracy "uncoverer" feel somehow important and smarter than the masses who accept the lies they are told.

Everyone's a hero in their own mind, and accepting that most of everything we do is ultimately pointless is kind of jarring and disturbing to a lot of people.

OT: People believe a great many strange things. I won't judge them too harshly for their silliness, as long as no-one gets hurt because of it they are free to think of as many outlandish conspiracies as they want.
 

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Copper Zen said:
KeyMaster45 said:
OT: I find it troubling that lately it seems alot of old cold war paranoia has started floating around. I rather thought we were past this; aspiring Bond villain President Putin withstanding that is.
I got the strong impression that this is more of a cultural artifact resulting from decades of state controlled information flow rather than real cold war paranoia.
I was referring to how some of them speculated it was the US firing an experimental weapon at them, not the general level of government mistrust.
 

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I believe it has something to do with Project Blue Beam. It is only a matter of how much the public will play into their hands. And of course, play into their hands they will, because no one is left on this planet that trusts his instinct and intuition over his insane mind, which only listens to what TV and those calling themselves "SCIENTISTS" tell them... Yeah, I can tell we've come a long way since the dark ages! Oh wait, WE'RE STILL in the bloody DARK AGES! They just invented a new form of slavery called FREEDOM *sound of a billion eagles and a trumpet*!

I am free to follow THEIR rules, go to school, get a job, marry, fuck, consume poison AND DIE! If I want to do something to change this fucking world however, and speak out against our so called perfect freedom system, I'm a TURRIST, or CRAZEE, or EXTREMIST, or (I love this) need to see a doctor to check on my mental health! Who exactly lobotomised the entirety of the human species, to make them into the apathetic, without any empathy, artificially intelligent ZOMBIES that they are?! I can feel how our intellect, something we are born with (the so-called intellect of adulthood is a result of inhibition, therefore I would hardly consider it intelligent in any way) is being striped away by the culture, the society, the religion, the chemicals in food and water. People are in a trance and being led by folks with no empathy!

Please, for the sake of everyone in existence, become a bit aware. Stop trusting everything academia and media and religion tells you. We are being controlled!
 

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As much as I want to laugh at "those crazy Ruskies", I remember the video I once saw of the American woman who believed that the government put something in tap water to create rainbows when it came out of a sprinkler.
 

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The Rogue Wolf said:
As much as I want to laugh at "those crazy Ruskies", I remember the video I once saw of the American woman who believed that the government put something in tap water to create rainbows when it came out of a sprinkler.
bhjnasdfjkl;ah

I'm sorry that was me rolling my head across my keyboard from the shock that people like that exist.

OT: I wonder what David Eick's view on all this is.
 

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PoolCleaningRobot said:
TheSYLOH said:
Sigh....
Why would the US government want a meteor launcher when they got nuclear ballistic missiles.
Also, if the US gov up and decided to nuke Russia for no reason, Why pick the middle of fucking nowhere, Siberia.

Cause we need to remind them Ruskies who's boss! Also, dropping shit from space can create explosions bigger than nukes with less radioactive fallout (heavy things like Uranium rods). Not that we're planning on wiping out all the other nations on Earth and creating a 'Murican utopia or anything
The "Rods from God" concept. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment] It's quite interesting to be honest.
 

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Reminds me of old West African beliefs that THERE ARE NO ACCIDENTS, SOMEONE MUST HAVE CURSED ME.

The main question I want to ask is why is a random meteor so unlikely to these people? I mean, space rocks have to land SOMEwhere, right?
 

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If it can be explained by normal means there is no need to attach an extraordinary claim. Some people will just always be looking for validation for their beliefs. A meteor crashed to earth and broke my window, that's just god saying hi.

Idiots.
 

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It can't be a UFO, because it's been identified as a meteorite.
It's also no longer flying. So 'unidentified' and 'flying' are both out.
It's an O! My god, we have an object on our hands!
 

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I find it kind of disturbing with guys like Putin in charge that they act like the "Soviet Era" and it's mentality is a thing of the past, while still reacting this way, and with so much ignorance. It's pretty much back to square one.

That said a US weapon test makes little sense (though being a test would explain why it hit such a remote location) truthfully we'd be more likely to want to "test" on something like North Korea, China, or The Middle East, than on Russia, which is annoying, but hardly our #1 priority.

Skepticism is however always healthy and I wouldn't entirely dismiss the idea of it not being an actual meteor or exactly as it seems. Plenty of wierd stuff happens during disasters. For example people tend to forget that The Pentagon was also hit during the 9/11 attacks in the US and there have been some creepy cover ups about that side of things, while the media tends to mostly focus on The World Trade center, although The Pentagon being hit is actually a much bigger deal in the scheme of things. When I say "creepy cover ups" there are bits about people having seen odd things (like missles, or energy pulses) flying at a low altitude towards The Pentagon. While few people have been able to prove that, they were able to prove that the goverment did run around and confiscate pretty much every video tape and record around the site, including those that weren't exactly next to the impact location, and aimed at levels that are totally irrelevent to the idea of a plane crash. I'm not saying it nessicarly means anything... but the way the goverment acts it pretty much makes everything look like a bloody conspiricy.

I'd also point out that meteor bombardment was an old strategy during the cold war, basically the super powers had tons of eyes on each other directed towards placing missles or actual manufactured weapons in space. As any science fiction fan can tell you, one of the best ways of wiping out a planet is to fire meteors or aserroids at it. Apparently during The Cold War there was a lot said about the powers basically modifying existing satellites to either intentionally crash into the planet for a more limited impact (instead of a missle) or to put "peaceful research cargos" up into space that could secretly be deployed for a similar effect. Basically you put geological samples up into space to research the effects of zero gravity on whatever, in reality it's a huge honking chunk of mineral that will survive atmospheric re-entry with enough mass and speed to do damage that can be dropped from the satellite.

Now, I am NOT saying this is what happened, but when it comes to paranoid, consider that if Russia had actually done something like this, one of their best moves post-cold war would be to move the satellite(s) into an orbit over their own territory where they would attract less attention, and also still be up there if things changed and they wanted to use them later (and also to avoid attracting attention by taking them down and admitting what they did). Putting something like this over sparsely populated areas like Siberia in case of a malfunction would make sense, and to be honest given the general quality of vintage soviet engineering a malfunction would be inevitable, especially in the
long term since they probably didn't originally anticipate just leaving these things sitting there for decades on end like actually happened... I mean assuming this happened at all.

The point here being that in many cases truth is stranger than fiction, some of the garbage outed after The Cold War (never mind what goverments are still sitting on) is absolutly borked. You basically had mad scientists planning out doomsday weapons on both sides of the equasion. As any relatively informed person will tell you, with the time to develop new stuff nukes are probably the least of our worries since they are like 60+ years old now. Anyone who thinks militry technology peaked there and didn't move on, while the rest of civilization did is kind of naive. As guys like Robert Heinlan kind of pointed out real war usually comes down to "X weapons" X standing for unknown, whoever innovates the most winds up winning, and people even plan for this during peacetime. A-Bombs/Nukes were pretty much the defining X weapon of their day, being a big deal at the time. During The Cold War, neither the US or USSR was really content with a nuclear stalemate and were looking for anything they could get for an advantage.

Just some food for thought, Occam's Razor would propose that a meteor strike is the most likely culprit, since stuff like that does happen, and it was inevitable we'd see things like this. However there is plenty of room for it to be other things to the point where conspiricy theories aren't entirely out of line, since there is plenty of fuel for it beyond the obvious ridiculousness like a premeditated attack, or aliens chucking rocks for whatever reason.
 

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Yes it would certainley be a message from god who lives in heaven which should be somewhere in the clouds(by judeo-chrystian mithology) saying to stop using planes and space shuttles because they mess up theyre pack yard... Right... and aliens wouldn't crash land on some meteor who passes the earth to jump off it and land in russian outback... they should hawe landed in US desert like theyre friends did...
 

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Doclector said:
I find this interesting, actually. Governments seem to forget their people's trust is a finite resource. Break that trust badly enough, and it becomes "the boy who cried wolf" or more like "the government who cried meteor". They lied before, why would they not lie again?

Here we have a country where government deception, it seems, has become imbedded into the national consciousness, to the point where it isn't crazy to think up conspiracies, it's wise.

Exactly, I almost feel sorry for the Russians. I mean, I do not trust the US government half the time, but I do still believe that they are mostly honest about the major things (mostly). But for the Russians, I can not blame them, they were told lies of epic proportions for so many decades that I would estimate 3 generations (from now) before they will trust their government again.
 

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Sad to see that even in the era of information and education, people still turn to the supernatural when there's a perfectly reasonable explanation.
 

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Some Americans think that black people should be euthanized.
Some French people think that the Earth is flat.
Some Taiwanese people think that Harrison Ford is irradiating our testicles.

 

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poiumty said:
Sad to see that even in the era of information and education, people still turn to the supernatural when there's a perfectly reasonable explanation.
You don't know much about Eastern Europe, do you?
 

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If You want a really far out explanation that makes no sense... maybe it's a frog temple, and Homestuck is Right.

After all, smaller Meteorites show up about every few months, larger ones like this show up every few years.

This is an extremely stupid hypothesis, and unlikely to be true, but I really hope the Russians discover a frog temple in that region anyways and send us the codes up there so we can go all Heroes and stuff.

Heh, if this unlikely event does come to pass, I get the feeling everyone will be aiming for a 144 player session or something.
 

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Thyunda said:
poiumty said:
Sad to see that even in the era of information and education, people still turn to the supernatural when there's a perfectly reasonable explanation.
You don't know much about Eastern Europe, do you?
Please, tell me about Eastern Europe.
 

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TheSYLOH said:
Sigh....
Why would the US government want a meteor launcher when they got nuclear ballistic missiles.
Also, if the US gov up and decided to nuke Russia for no reason, Why pick the middle of fucking nowhere, Siberia.
Because a launch from the surface can be detected. Finding a hidden mechanism to launch stuff amid space-deris is harder.
 

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Clearly, it was the Blisk and Crypto-138 handled them already, so there is no cause for alarm.

...except, you know, for the sake of our brainstems.
 

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Every time something interesting and unusual happens, there is a conspiracy. Every once in a while the conspiracy turns out to be true, but this is not one of those times.
 

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poiumty said:
Thyunda said:
poiumty said:
Sad to see that even in the era of information and education, people still turn to the supernatural when there's a perfectly reasonable explanation.
You don't know much about Eastern Europe, do you?
Please, tell me about Eastern Europe.
In the past sixty years, while America was screaming 'Communist' as the source of all the world's problems, Eastern European governments were acting very shady indeed. Look at your average American "wide awake in a world that sleeps" teen and everything he says the US government secretly does, these European governments actually did. A lot of people in Russia today will still treat their government like it's the past government, and have literally zero reason to buy even the most reasonable reaction.

This wasn't "That's not a UFO, it's a weather balloon."
It was "That wasn't an explosion. It was a thunderstorm."
 

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A tragedy with a high degree of randomness which the victims cannot find a way to attach significance to ends up having wild stories used to explain it in a meaningful way? Yeah, that is what everyone in the world does. Imagining it is a weapons test or a UFO or a divine sign is a lot less scary then imagining a vast and mostly empty and aimless universe that sometimes just drops rocks on things with no concern for if the rock is hitting intelligent lifeforms, because that sort of thing happens is a chaotic and unfeeling universe in which you are an insignificant speck.
 

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Thyunda said:
In the past sixty years, while America was screaming 'Communist' as the source of all the world's problems, Eastern European governments were acting very shady indeed. Look at your average American "wide awake in a world that sleeps" teen and everything he says the US government secretly does, these European governments actually did. A lot of people in Russia today will still treat their government like it's the past government, and have literally zero reason to buy even the most reasonable reaction.

This wasn't "That's not a UFO, it's a weather balloon."
It was "That wasn't an explosion. It was a thunderstorm."
Except it's not nearly as bad as you're making it out to be, I'm a resident of Eastern Europe, and it's STILL sad that in the information age, people still resort to superstition when there's a perfectly reasonable explanation.

To be fair I'm not a resident of Russia but I'm pretty sure "my government did bad things in the past" isn't a good reason to justify thinking the meteor was an UFO or a message from God.
 

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poiumty said:
Thyunda said:
In the past sixty years, while America was screaming 'Communist' as the source of all the world's problems, Eastern European governments were acting very shady indeed. Look at your average American "wide awake in a world that sleeps" teen and everything he says the US government secretly does, these European governments actually did. A lot of people in Russia today will still treat their government like it's the past government, and have literally zero reason to buy even the most reasonable reaction.

This wasn't "That's not a UFO, it's a weather balloon."
It was "That wasn't an explosion. It was a thunderstorm."
Except it's not nearly as bad as you're making it out to be, I'm a resident of Eastern Europe, and it's STILL sad that in the information age, people still resort to superstition when there's a perfectly reasonable explanation.

To be fair I'm not a resident of Russia but I'm pretty sure "my government did bad things in the past" isn't a good reason to justify thinking the meteor was an UFO or a message from God.
I imagine the sentiment is similar to if American fighter jets started bombing the Highlands and said that there were WMDs there. Suddenly God IS a more likely answer.
 

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Oh how the mighty have fallen. It couldn't have been a secrent RUSSIAN military test, no no, it was a secret US military test. lol.
 

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I bet you if the meteor landed in some place like Canada or England there would 500% less conspiracy theories.
 

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In soviet Russia... a series of controlled information campaigns causes people to become so paranoid and jaded that they will believe in anything that's not the official story no matter how plausible that story seems.
 

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The Rogue Wolf said:
As much as I want to laugh at "those crazy Ruskies", I remember the video I once saw of the American woman who believed that the government put something in tap water to create rainbows when it came out of a sprinkler.
Ah, yes, Dboots. I love that crazy *****.

 

carlh267

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The whole "meteorite striking Russia" thing has me reminded of the plot of the Resistance games, which begin with the Tunguska meteor event in 1907 in Russia spreading a deadly virus which converts humans into aliens. Time to grab my Carbine.
 

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Biodeamon said:
I bet you if the meteor landed in some place like Canada or England there would 500% less conspiracy theories.
True, but at the same time neither have been modern super powers that have been capable of the large scale insanity of the USA or Russia when they put their minds to it. This isn't to say they don't have their moments, but not quite the same way.

To put things into perspective there is a "real conspiricy theory" about the US goverment "Majestic 12" project, which was a program to use high end brainwashing and deprogramming techniques to plant sleeper agents in other nations which could later be activated with a signal and would make a suicide run on a pre-programmed target like a goverment facility, politician, etc... before killing themselves. All of which are fully in the grasp of high end psychological and chemical techniques if your unethical enough. The problem with the program is of course getting people for long enough to do this, creating the cover identities, and of course the simple fact that things change with time, your sleeper agent is pointless if a target relocates, or the guy you program him to kill winds up out of power, to be replaced by another enemy. There are a lot of practical concerns here.

This of course lead to theories about what would happen if the goverment used this on a more domestic level, to influance policies, create criminal acts that removed people it found inconveinent, etc... Most recently you have some theorizing that The White House might be using similar techniques to cause shootings to fuel anti-gun efforts, especially given the tendency towards self-pwnage of the people responsible for these sprees, and general lack of reporting on backstory or motivation outside of a very general sense.

Now it's not LIKELY, but a conspiricy theory like that comes about in the US because we really did screw around with ideas like that, and what's more it could actually happen in theory. With Canada or the UK it's not likely, because there is no indication the goverment was ever involved in anything like that. If they were it was kept quiet enough to not be excposed and thus doesn't fuel the public imagination the same way.

In a more relevent comparison, I pointed out in a previous post here, that during The Cold War, there were apparently programs, at least at a hypothetical level, about basically dropping meteor-like rocks and objects on the planet as an alternative to nukes. The very discussion raises questions when something like this happens in one of the countries that was known to have been hosting it.

If the UK, Canada, or other countries ever become more powerful again in the current era and start operating on the same level, conspiricy theories will also rise in proportion to it. The US and USSR used to be involved in this kind of crap and indeed we occasionally saw things "leaked" with an eye to freaking the other side out, etc... It was all part of the game. Canada for example has never to my knowlege been even remotely accused or suspected of developing super science weapons with an idea towards global military assetiveness... who why would Canadians even suspect something their goverment did might have slipped? :)
 

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Any of these hypothesis are pretty interesting, I'll stick with the equally interesting meteorite, though.
 

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there is a video that speculates that the meteor was shot down and therefore exploded.
[hyoutube=3ZzG881Vii8]

so if it was indeed an ufo, we can safely calm down that guy with the "brilliant" idea of killing all of humanity just to not offend e.t. and his alien pals.

they are dead, so they wont mind anymore that we are all the root of evil/hellspawn.
Biodeamon said:
I bet you if the meteor landed in some place like Canada or England there would 500% less conspiracy theories.
nope. you would just see how much the rothschild family and the illuminati were involved in it.
or sasquatch.
 

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I blame NASA
They were threatened by funding cuts from government
one unexpected meteor crash later, they have justification for existing
(beyond space exploration'n'shit)
Coincidence? I don't think so :/
 

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As a Russian, I find this stupid.
Most of us are like... "Hey a meteor fell, it's nice no one died"
Even the priests on the news were like commenting "It's God's blessing no one died. But the meteor was from space and not a sign".
Most Russian TV covered it as a natural occurrence and a call for establishing "Space defense and anti-meteor rockets"

While I myself have thrown around jokes about it being a Kryptonian pod... nobody believes it was aleins, especially considering that pieces of the meteor were found and even sold online.

So the escapist, I salute you for finding possibly the dumbest news source in Russia.
 

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Considering the number of Americans who'd have believed it had been the UN, the New World Order, or something supernatural, I can't say it suprises me. This is about as stupid as claiming black helicopters perform weapon tests on american farmlands, causing the cattle mutilations. You typically don't test your weapon where the enemy can see it better than you can. You only deploy it when you know it works, and then generally only if you're at war.


I guess the captcha-generator is a conspiracy-believer too: 'first contact'.
Funny you should say that. A few months back, me and my girlfriend were looking out her windows at two black helicopters that were flying around. One was high and circling the area, the other was low and hovering. Some men rappeled from the lower helicopter. The helicopter was just under a mile away and from where we placed it over empty fields.
 

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I find this interesting, actually. Governments seem to forget their people's trust is a finite resource. Break that trust badly enough, and it becomes "the boy who cried wolf" or more like "the government who cried meteor". They lied before, why would they not lie again?

Here we have a country where government deception, it seems, has become inbedded[sic] into the national conciousness[sic], to the point where it isn't crazy to think up conspiracies, it's wise.
But it is crazy to think up conspiracies. It's okay not to trust one's government (to a point). In fact, it breeds a stronger nation in many cases. It's the thought that it's UFOs or some crazy nuclear attack that is the correct explanation. I think people need more credible theories when they think the government has lied to them.
 

Korolev

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Ah so what. Conspiracy theories have been around since the dawn of our species.

Here's a new one I've just made up: It wasn't a meteor, but a damaged chem-trail aircraft that went out of control! As it plummeted to earth, the illuminati triggered explosives on board to prevent us from knowing the truth! WAKE UP SHEEPLE! WAKE UP SHEEPLE! WAKE UP SHEEPLE! THEY'RE ALL AROUND US! CONTROLLING OUR EVERY MOVE! CHEM-TRAILS! LIZARD PEOPLE! BILDERBERGS! THE UN! MOON-MEN! 9-11! ATLANTIS! They're alllllll connected! That's right, they're alllllll connected and they're on to you! Quick, get your tin-foil hat! They're gonna use space lasers to microwave your brain!

Oh conspiracy theorists. So crazy. So funny to watch, and yet, so tragic.
 

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Given that reports have come in of people going out there hunting for meteorite fragments on account of them being worth far more than their size suggests, it seems that not everyone is quite as paranoid. Perhaps more the loss for those that are.

I'd be curious to know if anything else came in with the meteor, much as I doubt anything else survived the descent intact.
 

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In short - a news paper made bogus poll that offers falsified information in order to sell.
 

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"Half the readers of a Moscow paper believe that the meteorite was, say, a UFO or message from God."

This is why I believe in increased funding for public education. Yay for a lack of critical thinking skills!
 

Strazdas

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Akichi Daikashima said:
Most eastern European countries' people believe in conspiracy theories & such UFO-type-things.

I know because I lived there during my childhood(EE, not Chelyabinsk)
i call bull. i lived my whole live in eastern europe and trust me if theres anythign were full of it is cynism. we dont believe in anything. and religiuos zealots and UFO nuts look like solely american stupidity phenomenon. turns out the russians are more crazy than we though however. more reasons to hate them, as if we dont have enough what beign enslaved for decades and all.
 

Sigmund Av Volsung

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Strazdas said:
Akichi Daikashima said:
Most eastern European countries' people believe in conspiracy theories & such UFO-type-things.

I know because I lived there during my childhood(EE, not Chelyabinsk)
i call bull. i lived my whole live in eastern europe and trust me if theres anythign were full of it is cynism. we dont believe in anything. and religiuos zealots and UFO nuts look like solely american stupidity phenomenon. turns out the russians are more crazy than we though however. more reasons to hate them, as if we dont have enough what beign enslaved for decades and all.
Where, then?

Cause I lived in Lithuania, and an easy topic for discussion is conspiracy theories & belief in the supernatural.
 

Strazdas

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Akichi Daikashima said:
Strazdas said:
Akichi Daikashima said:
Most eastern European countries' people believe in conspiracy theories & such UFO-type-things.

I know because I lived there during my childhood(EE, not Chelyabinsk)
i call bull. i lived my whole live in eastern europe and trust me if theres anythign were full of it is cynism. we dont believe in anything. and religiuos zealots and UFO nuts look like solely american stupidity phenomenon. turns out the russians are more crazy than we though however. more reasons to hate them, as if we dont have enough what beign enslaved for decades and all.
Where, then?

Cause I lived in Lithuania, and an easy topic for discussion is conspiracy theories & belief in the supernatural.
Na ir sutapimas :D
I am lithuanian :D

Must have been different type of folk we knew. i know like two people who actually believe in god, zero who actually believe UFO to the level of "yeah i saw them abducting people" and ghosts arep retty much non-existent thing here. ANd i dont need to tell you about our idea of how we thing government is hopeless now do i?
 

Sigmund Av Volsung

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Strazdas said:
Akichi Daikashima said:
Strazdas said:
Akichi Daikashima said:
Most eastern European countries' people believe in conspiracy theories & such UFO-type-things.

I know because I lived there during my childhood(EE, not Chelyabinsk)
i call bull. i lived my whole live in eastern europe and trust me if theres anythign were full of it is cynism. we dont believe in anything. and religiuos zealots and UFO nuts look like solely american stupidity phenomenon. turns out the russians are more crazy than we though however. more reasons to hate them, as if we dont have enough what beign enslaved for decades and all.
Where, then?

Cause I lived in Lithuania, and an easy topic for discussion is conspiracy theories & belief in the supernatural.
Na ir sutapimas :D
I am lithuanian :D

Must have been different type of folk we knew. i know like two people who actually believe in god, zero who actually believe UFO to the level of "yeah i saw them abducting people" and ghosts arep retty much non-existent thing here. ANd i dont need to tell you about our idea of how we thing government is hopeless now do i?
Geras, gal man siaip nepasiseke.
 

Strazdas

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Akichi Daikashima said:
Strazdas said:
Akichi Daikashima said:
Strazdas said:
Akichi Daikashima said:
Most eastern European countries' people believe in conspiracy theories & such UFO-type-things.

I know because I lived there during my childhood(EE, not Chelyabinsk)
i call bull. i lived my whole live in eastern europe and trust me if theres anythign were full of it is cynism. we dont believe in anything. and religiuos zealots and UFO nuts look like solely american stupidity phenomenon. turns out the russians are more crazy than we though however. more reasons to hate them, as if we dont have enough what beign enslaved for decades and all.
Where, then?

Cause I lived in Lithuania, and an easy topic for discussion is conspiracy theories & belief in the supernatural.
Na ir sutapimas :D
I am lithuanian :D

Must have been different type of folk we knew. i know like two people who actually believe in god, zero who actually believe UFO to the level of "yeah i saw them abducting people" and ghosts arep retty much non-existent thing here. ANd i dont need to tell you about our idea of how we thing government is hopeless now do i?
Geras, gal man siaip nepasiseke.
Visko gali buti, bet ar cia mes galime lietuviskai sneketi?
Translation: it could be, but can we use lithuanian on these forums without translating?
 

Lieju

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Not surprising. Whenever something like this happens, people make up explanations like this.
I guess it's just really scary to think a meteor can just crach into Earth and kill us all, so thinking it was God (who did it because of gays/capitalism/communism/carrots) or an outside force you can fight makes you feel better.

The Rogue Wolf said:
As much as I want to laugh at "those crazy Ruskies", I remember the video I once saw of the American woman who believed that the government put something in tap water to create rainbows when it came out of a sprinkler.
It's the gay agenda.

Shirokurou said:
As a Russian, I find this stupid.
Most of us are like... "Hey a meteor fell, it's nice no one died"
Even the priests on the news were like commenting "It's God's blessing no one died. But the meteor was from space and not a sign".
Most Russian TV covered it as a natural occurrence and a call for establishing "Space defense and anti-meteor rockets"

While I myself have thrown around jokes about it being a Kryptonian pod... nobody believes it was aleins, especially considering that pieces of the meteor were found and even sold online.

So the escapist, I salute you for finding possibly the dumbest news source in Russia.
Some people will believe it was God or aliens.
This goes for any nation, especially if you phare your questions in a vague way, like 'Do you think the government told you EVERYTHING about the incident?', or 'Do you believe God wanted to say something with that meteorite?'
 

Sigmund Av Volsung

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Strazdas said:
Akichi Daikashima said:
Strazdas said:
Akichi Daikashima said:
Strazdas said:
Akichi Daikashima said:
Most eastern European countries' people believe in conspiracy theories & such UFO-type-things.

I know because I lived there during my childhood(EE, not Chelyabinsk)
i call bull. i lived my whole live in eastern europe and trust me if theres anythign were full of it is cynism. we dont believe in anything. and religiuos zealots and UFO nuts look like solely american stupidity phenomenon. turns out the russians are more crazy than we though however. more reasons to hate them, as if we dont have enough what beign enslaved for decades and all.
Where, then?

Cause I lived in Lithuania, and an easy topic for discussion is conspiracy theories & belief in the supernatural.
Na ir sutapimas :D
I am lithuanian :D

Must have been different type of folk we knew. i know like two people who actually believe in god, zero who actually believe UFO to the level of "yeah i saw them abducting people" and ghosts arep retty much non-existent thing here. ANd i dont need to tell you about our idea of how we thing government is hopeless now do i?
Geras, gal man siaip nepasiseke.
Visko gali buti, bet ar cia mes galime lietuviskai sneketi?
Translation: it could be, but can we use lithuanian on these forums without translating?
Man atrodos kad galima, bet visivien del atsargumo:
Translation: I think we can, but just in case: