Something doesn't add up about the console industry

[Fonejackerjon]

Look, I'm a realist both the mobile industry and console industry have their evil little ways. But if I had to choose which one screws the consumer over most? console would get that crown because you have to pay upfront!

Are you very 100% sure about that realist part because I'm not sure if I can take that part let alone the rest seriously, yes in your other thread you had pointed out your rep and yes I've been aware of that for some time but the realist part doesn't fit in my eyes because well your rep tells the whole story and blows the realist part well out the way.

Also we have to pay upfront for PC games and handhelds too, I've seen both those areas charge for full price numerous times, aren't you going to be a "realist" and include them too?, that is if you're trying to be honest and "fair" about this whole thing.

Unless of course this is going to devolve into another mobile is less evil but will one day kill the evil scummy consoles! discussion because I don't want to be sold on any of that, I've already seen the full show.

Ok, maybe I wasn't being fair, console, pc and dedicated handhelds are included in what I have said. Look we are in the year 2014, paying £40 ($60) doesn't not make sense in these modern times, it just doesn't. The movie industry realised this (that's why we have netflix) the music industry got wise to this (that's why we don't pay £12 for an album whe we only want one song)

Both the film industry and music industry, basically have moved with the times, only the AAA industry is still stuck in the past asking these premium prices for a s single piece of entertainment. It reallyis not a sustainable model why are gamers so blind to accept what is the truth

 

[ExtraDebit]

Most people doesn't have vision and can't see the small steps those greedy bastards are leading us is to a pile of shit.

Remember way back when bethesda was selling us horse armor for a few dollars? That's how gaming would be like in the future, a complete experience in a game will be extinct, you'll need to pay a dollar just to talk to an NPC.

 

[Shadow-Phoenix]

Look, I'm a realist both the mobile industry and console industry have their evil little ways. But if I had to choose which one screws the consumer over most? console would get that crown because you have to pay upfront!

Are you very 100% sure about that realist part because I'm not sure if I can take that part let alone the rest seriously, yes in your other thread you had pointed out your rep and yes I've been aware of that for some time but the realist part doesn't fit in my eyes because well your rep tells the whole story and blows the realist part well out the way.

Also we have to pay upfront for PC games and handhelds too, I've seen both those areas charge for full price numerous times, aren't you going to be a "realist" and include them too?, that is if you're trying to be honest and "fair" about this whole thing.

Unless of course this is going to devolve into another mobile is less evil but will one day kill the evil scummy consoles! discussion because I don't want to be sold on any of that, I've already seen the full show.

Ok, maybe I wasn't being fair, console, pc and dedicated handhelds are included in what I have said. Look we are in the year 2014, paying £40 ($60) doesn't not make sense in these modern times, it just doesn't. The movie industry realised this (that's why we have netflix) the music industry got wise to this (that's why we don't pay £12 for an album whe we only want one song)

Both the film industry and music industry, basically have moved with the times, only the AAA industry is still stuck in the past asking these premium prices for a s single piece of entertainment. It reallyis not a sustainable model why are gamers so blind to accept what is the truth

I dunno, paying £30 for an ea (early access) game seems stupidly steep, especially for an unfinished game, call it "support" all you like but look when Planetary Annihilation came out in ea, they were asking for even more amounts to start with and then went on to think it's going to be a good idea to release an unfinished ea game in the physical market, I like Uber but that's just plain suicidal, stupid and backwards, we've also had the odd dev or two just flat out stop and the money gone, that's something that isn't going away so easily and that's all on the PC market alone, so far the worst I've seen is £40 for a brand new day 1 console game, given 2-3 weeks here and the price will have gone down by a bit or buying it used.

The music industry still hasn't changed an awful lot, sure it has changed some since the 90's but not a massive drastic "good for everyone" kind of change and the movie industry still hasn't done the whole sell the dvd when the film comes out idea yet, the one that's actually good for all of us and not just the box office, hell there's multiple industries out there that still haven't change a hell of a lot, mobile probably has changed a lot since how they are rapidly evolving but there's still many that are just as worse as the AAA industry.

Thing is I'm not painting AAA as some Saturday morning villain, they will eventually have to change but even I know that and yes I still like me some AAA gaming, probably a lot more than I would a half finished indie game.

I wouldn't say a lot of gamers are blind, I'm seeing that used a lot these days along with the "true" scotsman fallacy, I just had to deal with a PC only moron who decided it was a brilliant idea to rebut me with such a thing without realizing his entire point is moot the moment he used subjectivity and a fallacy in one.

 

[Fonejackerjon]

Most people doesn't have vision and can't see the small steps those greedy bastards are leading us is to a pile of shit.

Remember way back when bethesda was selling us horse armor for a few dollars? That's how gaming would be like in the future, a complete experience in a game will be extinct, you'll need to pay a dollar just to talk to an NPC.

What is going to happen is you will pay $60 for a shell, not a game, a shell then you will be bombarded with microt-transaction's, waiting times and DLC. Look I'm not being a scare-monger but how can anyone with half a brain not see this as the future of the dedicated games industry and this is why it will crash maybe not at the moment but it will. It frankly common sense.

There has never been a time when gamer anger has been this justifiably high. Tell me I'm wrong? tell me the AAA industry has a bright future. Do you not watch jimquisition? Great show and it tells the uncomfortable truth gamers don't want to hear.

 

[ZippyDSMlee]

The industry is coming to an end, they will have to change hard for the times or die, I hope they die the console war model is a worthless dinosaur...

 

[Fonejackerjon]

The industry is coming to an end, they will have to change hard for the times or die, I hope they die the console war model is a worthless dinosaur...

Amen brother.... its a backwards business model from the past that quite frankly needs to wake the fuck up and change.

It's the old saying adapt or die!

 

[Rozalia1]

Look I'm Sorry but Console gaming is FAR worse than mobile gaming when it comes to open wallet rape! It really annoys me that people think mobile is the evil of the gaming industry, fact is FREE TO PLAY on mobile allows free entry, as in you don't pay ANYTHING up front to play the game. Consoles on the other hand expect willing idiots to pay $60 up front then DLC and THEN micro-transactions.

If your willing to grind and have patience you can play a mobile game to the bitter end without spending a penny yes, it may take ages but at least you have the option. Console gaming offers none of this. They only offer PAY NOW and pay later.

Consoles are far worse than mobile when it comes to nickel and diming the player and its about time people woke up to that fact.

Look, I'm a realist both the mobile industry and console industry have their evil little ways. But if I had to choose which one screws the consumer over most? console would get that crown because you have to pay upfront!

ITT: Console games are all full price always, all have DLC, and all have micro transactions.

Go to a more netural standpoint and people will actually debate you instead of dismissing you instantly.

PC gamers are going to say ENOUGH is ENOUGH? I find it hard to believe so. People adore Steam which has a goal to turn PC nto console when PC's major advantage over consoles was that it was POLAR OPPOSITE to console!

But seriously, people pay therefor makers offer. It will not stop until people stop purchasing.

Wait wut? How is steam making PC more like consoles, last time i checked sony and Xbox are desperately trying to make their consoles into a PC and to buck up my point i redirect you to anything that yhatzee says about the new generation or the fact that the consoles are pushed into on-line play which has always been a PC gimmick and everyone like it that way. Steam is not making the PC a multi-player platform that allows you to play with your friends on the couch, it just makes game easier to play and easier to store (you quickly run out of shelve place when you buy CD-copies, especially if you are someone like me and live in a small place with a lot of books) In fact it was thanks to steam that Indie games that are now a big part of PC-gaming got the attention they needed. Please explain because im confused.

Steambox, big picture, controller, and all those other little things Valve pushes and says will bring PC gaming to the forefront and all that jazz is what I imagine he is referring to.

The industry is coming to an end, they will have to change hard for the times or die, I hope they die the console war model is a worthless dinosaur...

Amen brother.... its a backwards business model from the past that quite frankly needs to wake the fuck up and change.

It's the old saying adapt or die!

So you want subscriptions/FTP/always online? Wow.

 

[Fonejackerjon]

Look I'm Sorry but Console gaming is FAR worse than mobile gaming when it comes to open wallet rape! It really annoys me that people think mobile is the evil of the gaming industry, fact is FREE TO PLAY on mobile allows free entry, as in you don't pay ANYTHING up front to play the game. Consoles on the other hand expect willing idiots to pay $60 up front then DLC and THEN micro-transactions.

If your willing to grind and have patience you can play a mobile game to the bitter end without spending a penny yes, it may take ages but at least you have the option. Console gaming offers none of this. They only offer PAY NOW and pay later.

Consoles are far worse than mobile when it comes to nickel and diming the player and its about time people woke up to that fact.

Look, I'm a realist both the mobile industry and console industry have their evil little ways. But if I had to choose which one screws the consumer over most? console would get that crown because you have to pay upfront!

ITT: Console games are all full price always, all have DLC, and all have micro transactions.

Go to a more netural standpoint and people will actually debate you instead of dismissing you instantly.

PC gamers are going to say ENOUGH is ENOUGH? I find it hard to believe so. People adore Steam which has a goal to turn PC nto console when PC's major advantage over consoles was that it was POLAR OPPOSITE to console!

But seriously, people pay therefor makers offer. It will not stop until people stop purchasing.

Wait wut? How is steam making PC more like consoles, last time i checked sony and Xbox are desperately trying to make their consoles into a PC and to buck up my point i redirect you to anything that yhatzee says about the new generation or the fact that the consoles are pushed into on-line play which has always been a PC gimmick and everyone like it that way. Steam is not making the PC a multi-player platform that allows you to play with your friends on the couch, it just makes game easier to play and easier to store (you quickly run out of shelve place when you buy CD-copies, especially if you are someone like me and live in a small place with a lot of books) In fact it was thanks to steam that Indie games that are now a big part of PC-gaming got the attention they needed. Please explain because im confused.

Steambox, big picture, controller, and all those other little things Valve pushes and says will bring PC gaming to the forefront and all that jazz is what I imagine he is referring to.

The industry is coming to an end, they will have to change hard for the times or die, I hope they die the console war model is a worthless dinosaur...

Amen brother.... its a backwards business model from the past that quite frankly needs to wake the fuck up and change.

It's the old saying adapt or die!

So you want subscriptions/FTP/always online? Wow.

Ok, so you want $60 games DLC, Microtransactions, Because that is the industry you 'core' gamers are walking into.

 

[Rozalia1]

Ok, so you want $60 games DLC, Microtransactions, Because that is the industry you 'core' gamers are walking into.

Well Lanny Poffo I don't buy full price AAA titles, I've played very few (not sure if any actually) full games that had Microtransactions on top, and I have the ability to not buy DLC if I don't want it (like say those Atelier music packs), or wait till they are discounted to an acceptable level.
Are there actually people who are incapable of doing the same? No, people are not forced into this ridiculous position where they simply must buy everything at the highest price, and have such generic taste that they apparently buy nothing but AAA.

Anyway what you want is not evolving. Degeneration into bland, paper thin story messes with paywalls to try and bleed as much money as possible out of the player is not moving forward. You want that future than you can have it today, there is plenty of games that'll scratch that itch of yours.

 

[communist gamer]

PC gamers are going to say ENOUGH is ENOUGH? I find it hard to believe so. People adore Steam which has a goal to turn PC nto console when PC's major advantage over consoles was that it was POLAR OPPOSITE to console!

But seriously, people pay therefor makers offer. It will not stop until people stop purchasing.

Wait wut? How is steam making PC more like consoles, last time i checked sony and Xbox are desperately trying to make their consoles into a PC and to buck up my point i redirect you to anything that yhatzee says about the new generation or the fact that the consoles are pushed into on-line play which has always been a PC gimmick and everyone like it that way. Steam is not making the PC a multi-player platform that allows you to play with your friends on the couch, it just makes game easier to play and easier to store (you quickly run out of shelve place when you buy CD-copies, especially if you are someone like me and live in a small place with a lot of books) In fact it was thanks to steam that Indie games that are now a big part of PC-gaming got the attention they needed. Please explain because im confused.

Steambox, big picture, controller, and all those other little things Valve pushes and says will bring PC gaming to the forefront and all that jazz is what I imagine he is referring to.

but Steam dose not push anything, they say "hey why wont you try this out" but most of the time you can say "fuck off and give me my game" and thats what they will do. As far as Steambox, do you know how it was made? the made a thread saying "hey what you want in your steambox" the people said this and this and thats what they are getting. I dont get the people who complain about steam because they made PC gaming better not worse. I mean Steam is one of the reason i play more because i can just look through what, and have a big chance of it having a nice price instead of running to a game store and hoping that they will have the game and at a price i can afford

 

[Scow2]

This thread seems to be nothing but overentitled, self-indulgent, and ignorant whinging, except for a few who seem to get it (IE, those that don't agree with the OP).

Games are getting bigger and more expensive to produce. Even with more advanced middleware and programs moving programming away from the back end, games now are MUCH larger than they were years ago, even if there's less 'content' due to expanding graphics and more complex object interactions.

The days where games were shipped 'complete' are a myth. Those games you love from the past weren't complete - there was only the part where the developers stopped working on them. And there was going to be a sequel in half a year with tweaks to the game that couldn't make it into the first project (I can't list all the games that would have been better as one instead of two games). Yes, a lot of DLC/microtransactions are bullshit. But I really don't get the hate for Bethesda's Horse Armor... it's still a hell of a lot better than a lot of other 'cosmetic/exclusive' DLC, and they realized it was a mistake shortly after releasing it. Unfortunately, other companies didn't, from what I hear. Others, however, do have full game-expanding content as DLC, as stuff that would normally be left on the cutting room floor. [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DummiedOut]